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New here -Is walking out enabling them?


Hi, new here so sorry if I cover any old ground or anything like that..


I have a dillemma, and would appreciate some advice please!


My partner is the drinker.  We have been separated for the last 10 months, and have an 18 mo old son who is in my day-to-day care.


It was my birthday on Friday and my partner asked me over for dinner on Saturday night.  When I got there I could instantly tell he had been drinking (soo used to the signs -bags under the eyes, slurring words, swaying, not making sense etc).  I felt furious inside, I have a parenting order that says he is to have "little or no" (if I had my way, it would say no alcohol) alcohol while our son is with him on the weekends.  I thought 'how dumb could he be to drink knowing that I was coming over and how I feel about it!'.


I tried really hard not to jump on him about it but couldn't help commenting that he was acting 'weird' to give him a chance to 'own up'.  When he didn't I said 'I seem to have caught you at a bad time, maybe I should leave.'  I really wanted to leave.  And when he said to stay and nothing was up, I felt furious.  Then I fell into the same old trap of saying I know he's been drinking and him denying it. 


This went on for nearly an hour, with him telling me to just sit and let him cook me dinner and me thinking no way I want to spend the night with this idiot.  (I love him, but I hate him when he's like that)..


So, to be detached does that mean ignoring reality of the situation and enduring someone's bad behaviour when you could be doing something else you actually enjoy???????


In the end I found a bottle cap, he owned up to drinking, I took the baby and left and haven't spoken to him since.  He says 'we need to talk', but I don't know what to do.  I still feel angry.


Should I have just left?  How could I sit through dinner with him like that it would be CRAZY.



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To my mind, enabling doesn't really enter into this situation. You were unhappy with something, and refused to put up with it. Good for you. Probably could have left as soon as you saw the signs of him being drunk, and saved yourself some trouble - it's not like making him admit it changed anything.

Mostly, I think of enabling as doing things that soften the impact of an A's choices - babying him when he has a hangover, lying for him, doing things for him that he should be doing for himself. As long as it's YOU who pays most of the price of his drinking, he can go on drinking in comfort.

Detachment is something I use to stop from having unrealistic expectations - so that when he behaves the way an A behaves - drinks, lies, blames - I am not shocked, hurt and betrayed. I expect him to act like an A, and make my choices based on that.

What you did there was set and keep a boundary. You said you would not stay around if he was drunk, and you didn't. You didn't try to change his actions, instead you changed yours. That is how this program works, give yourself a hand. If he doesn't like it, he has the choice of not being drunk next time you come over.

Base your actions on what you want, and what is in your and your baby's best interests. If you don't want to talk to him, don't. The reason we say "don't nag" is not out of any 'touchy feely' sensitivity, it's because it doesn't work, it's a waste of breath. It keeps you tied up in his drinking which is not where you want to be. Whether he drinks or not is not your business, it's his. What is yours, is what you will and will not put up with. If you don't want to spend an evening sitting and trying to talk to a drunk, you don't have to. I certainly don't blame you.

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Good for you in setting boundaries and sticking to "courage to change the things I can"!  I admire your strength...  You did not enable at all - enabling would be saying, Oh that's ok that you're drinking or covering up for him or anything to make his fall easier or not at all so he doesn't have to take responsibility.  You did great - a big hug to you.  I admire your strength and courage~


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No, you didn't enable him, and, if it were me, I would have turned and walked away as soon as I knew he was drunk. It's a boundary - it's not enabling him.


Pat yourself on the back for leaving - even if it was after an hour. Standing up for yourself is difficult - and it sounds like you handled it well.


I was given this explanation of what letting go is when I asked about detachment.  I hope this helps:


To "let go" does not mean to stop caring.
It means I can't do it for someone else.

To "let go" is not to cut myself off.
It's the realization that I can't control another.

To "let go" is to admit powerlessness,
which means the outcome in not in my hands.

To "let go" is not to to try to change or blame another.
It's to make the most of myself.
To "let go" is not to care for, but to care about.

To "let go is not to fix, but to be supportive.
To "let go" is not to judge but to allow another
to be a human being.

To "let go" is not to be in the middle,
arranging all the outcomes,
but to allow others to affect their own destinies.

To "let go" is not to deny, but to accept.
To "let go" is not to nag, scold, or argue,
but instead to search out my own shortcomings
and correct them.

To "let go" is not to adjust everything to my desires,
but to take each day as it comes and cherish myself in it.

To "let go" is not to regret the past,
but to grow and live for the future.
To "let go" is to fear less and love more.



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Sounds like you did what was best for you and the baby.  NO!  I do not think you were enabling him by leaving.  He will drink no matter what.  With the baby gone he has a little to own up to.


The most loving thing we can do for our alcoholics is not to enable them.  The have to make their own mistakes and deal with their own consequences.  Right now he doesn't get to be with the baby because he is drinking.  He knew he wasn't supposed to be, but did anyway. Most A's will go to any lengths to drink.  I find with many of them, it doesn't matter what is standing in their way. 


Ziggy



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Thank you for all your thoughts, I appreciate the support.


I think I mistook detachment to mean pretending that you don't notice they are drunk in order for events to take their natural course (them passing out or making a fool of themselves).  I thought leaving might give him the chance to think I'm the problem, that I ruined dinner or was over-reacting.


He still hasn't called me.. guess I shouldn't hold my breath for an apology (sigh..)



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Three C's


You didn't cause it, you cannot cure it, and you cannot control it.



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Chat room is open 24/7 there here the link to www.mipchat.net or http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html 


Here are some things that have helped me since in the program.



  • Go face to face meeting & online meeting.

  • post on the board here on the site. I have gotten a lot of good feed back.

·        In this program u learn that u have choices. In Alanon we don’t give advice but only suggestions.


·        Set support system.  people do not judge. You need someone who can go for coffee on a bad day, or pick up a phone and call when in trouble. The support is what is important when you first this program.



  • Have a sponsor. Someone work one on one with you.

You don’t have to do this the minute u come to the program but I suggest that u do it when u can. It help.


 


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Last night talked to him on the phone about what happened - he said he hadn't called because he was feeling guilty.  He says he thought it was "just a lapse" (that still doesn't sit well with me) he said it was an error of judgement.  Yet he also said that because he knew I was coming over and he "had to drink it somehow" (uggh) he skulled it down within half an hour (a large bottle equivalent to 2 1/2 standard beer bottles).  He said he didn't think I'd be able to tell. 


I know I'm not to blame but I'm sick of him *trying* to blame me: it feels like the saying 'if a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it does it make a sound?':


He says it's a problem only because I found out.  But if no one was there he wouldn't think he was drunk or that it was a problem.  He says he 'had to' lie/hide it/skull it because *I* don't think he should drink.


I said I don't trust him to have the baby overnight on weekends anymore, because he lies so much about it and doesn't respect my concerns.  He made a dig at me like 'oh well, let's see how the family court will see it'.. as if he thinks they won't believe me, nothing I can do!!!!!!!


I can't stand his smugness.


I was so frustrated I couldn't sleep last night and the baby was up early this morning and I was in a rotten mood.  I need some serenity PLEASE!!  Sorry for the  venting.


Planning on going to a face to face meeting this weekend.



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