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Reflecting on how it was


I know in many of my posts I have made my husband seem like an uncaring monster. Sometimes he does seem that way, now, but not in the past.


From the day I met him, part of me knew that the connection he had with his parents was not "normal". I love my Mom anda Dad with all my heart, but I have never been obsessed with them.


After a few months together he told me he would never move out of his parents house, never get married and never have children. He told me he had promised his Mother this at 17, when she asked him to make that promise. It didn't really bother me, (okay red flags should have gone up) we where young and having fun. I wasn't thinking about the future.


I knew then he drank a lot, but an alcoholic never. He had a job, was so cute and clean cut and I loved him. I knew alcoholics came in all shapes and sizes, but not my boyfriend. Even when he got a DUi, and had to go to rehab, I didn't see it. In fact my first Alanon meeting was so pathetic. I went there so upset that he was in rehab. I couldn't understand why the court did that to him. It was so mean. I remember the people telling me he was where he needed to be, and me insisting he was not an alcoholic, and he didn't belong in that place, he belonged with me. His counselor sat down with me, and talked about this disease. God how I hated him. He told me that he wasn't really accepting the program and was going through the motions for the court. I told him he wasn't an alcoholic, and he told me I was wrong. He told me what would happen if he did not accept recovery. This man predicted the furture, step by step. Wow, he should have had a chrystal ball, as the years went on and his predictions came true, I was amazed, for a while hated him more, and as more time went on, wished I had listened to him and handled things differently. He never had a chrystal ball, he just knew the progression of alcoholism. It took years, but I eventually accepted that.


I think back and remember all the warning signs I didn't see. I also see all the good things. I remember a time before we where married, a bunch of us where going to Cancun. I was coaching gymnastics at the time and my team had a big competition that I had never thought they would qualify for. I had to back out of the trip. He went with our friends. One of the guys bought my ticket. I missed him so much, the competition ended and I was still sad. A friend talked me into buying another ticket flying there and suprising him. It was the most impulsive thing I had ever done.


When I got there, the man at the desk called him for me. He came down, and spun me around and didn't put me down for 3 days. I remember the way he looked at me. I have pictures of that time and how he looked at me, a way I haven't seen in years. We where happy. He asked me to marry him on the flight home. Boy did his Mom flip out!


He got so drunk at our wedding, and she tried to take him home with her. Back then, he wouldn't go.


She refered to my first pregnancy as the unfortunate incident, but my husband stood up to her. The last three he seemed to lose the will to stand up for himself or me.


We used to go and play on the swings at night, we still did this in our thirties. We would never go anywhere without holding hands. I remember one of our nieces Communion was on a boat. I walked up top, and someone said they would get me a chair and he said it wasn't needed. He patted his lap and pulled me down on it. His Mom kept insisting that I sit in a chair. That is was innapropriate for me to sit on his lap. We didn't care, more importantly he didn't care.


He used to buy me flowers every chance he got. He worked in Manhatten, so he brought them from the guys on the corner, sometimes three times a week. Then about 7 yeasr ago it stopped. The flowers, the hand holding and the standing up to his Mother. It got so her opinion was all that mattered.


I can't help but think that he is still in there somewhere. That alcoholism and his Mother could not have killed the man I love. Whenever I try to think rationally, I remember the way it was, the way he used to be, the way he used tol ook at me. That he stood up to her and we got married, that he stood up to her and we had children. That he didn't let her control his life back then. That he really did love me.


I think to the man that loved doing things for the kids, who potty trained our oldest three. Who made them lemonade stands, played man hunt with flashlights in the dark with them. Woke us allin the middle of the night to look at stars through a telescope. Tried to give CPR to a little mouse the cat had gotten to. The man who bought me flowers and brought me home my first rabbits when I was down.


He was sweet and wonderful, and kind and compassionate and he looked at me and treated me like I was the only person in the world. He not only won my heart, he became it.


When people ask me why I put up with him. They see him as he is now, they don't understand. The real person is in there, I know it is. That man who spun me around in Cancun is buried under this horrible disease and a controlling Mother. That sweet face is still there under all the bloat from drinking.


When I try and move on, I see a glimpse of what he really is and how it was. I have albums filled with pictures of how he was, before he became angry and bitter and sad. That holds me back, and keeps me from moving on.


                 Love Jeannie


 



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Mine too changed.  That is why it was so hard to make the decision.  I know he is there somewhere, but he made it clear to me that he will not stop, go to meetings, rehab or any sort of program.  If I am the only one trying to make tings work, it won't.  It was affecting my kids and my health so much, that I had to leave.  I went back and forth for months.


Only you know the whole situation and can weigh out the good wit the bad.  You cannot live in the past tho.  You have to look at todays actions.  I wish I could have my old husband back too, but he sees no problem with who he is today, so I had no choice but to move on without him.   You are the only one that can see and are living it, so you are the only one who can decide what is best for you and your children.  I gave my ESH.


Take your time, Josey



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That was quite a post Jeannie... thanks for sharing all of that....  One thing that we all have to eventually learn, and I am "at least" as guilty on this one as anyone else.... is something that had to be told and retold to me many times, by counsellors, sponsor, friends in recovery, etc...    It is really easy to focus on the "what ifs", or to start sentences with "when he/she isn't drinking...." etc...  But in many ways this is keeping us from the reality of our situations.  My counsellor had to almost "shake that into me", as I continued to focus on how things "used to be", and I believe, as we recover through our programs, we start to accept life and reality as it IS, not on how it 'used to be', or how we 'want it to be'. 


For some of us, this means the acceptance that the marriage is over, and we choose to leave.  For others, it means the acceptance of our situations, and we choose to stay.  I truly believe there is no 'right or wrong' choice, and the best solution for each and every one of us is unique to our needs and particular circumstances.  I still smile at the day, in my counsellor's office, when I was soooo torn over the oncoming dissolve of my marriage, and longing for the proverbial healthy and perfect marriage, and he said to me, in a loud voice:  "Tom, you are trying to save a 'white picket fence' marriage, but guess what - yours is NOT a white picket fence marriage!!"


Take care


Tom



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I was reading your post and it nearly brought tears to my eyes.  Unfortunately, I have no such memories of my now ex husband (A), as I was quite sick myself (also an A) during the "courting" (and boy do I use that term very, very loosely - met at a bar, brought him home one night and the rest was history) and early years of marriage.  As I have gotten sober myself and also started working on my alanon/acoa issues, my standards have changed.


But you also reminded me that perhaps I still have some resentment left in me against him, even though I thought I had dealt with it.  Is it possible to have NO good memories of a person?


Karen



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Jeannie,

Your life sounds like it was so wonderful before the disease got hold of your husband. I feel very sad after reading that. My ex's disease was obvious when we got married but I was only 17 years old and pregnant. I was with him only a short time...less than 2 years. He was such a fun guy to be around when he was not drinking. Sadly, he never recovered and died at an early age of 51 from complications of Aism. I was very fortunate to realize what my mother went through with my A father and 5 kids. I think that is what made me see the light at such an early age. Unfortunately, my son has an addiction even though he did not grow up around his A dad. We have alcoholics on both sides of our family so we were all at pretty high risk. All of my siblings have one addiction or another. I was hoping my children would be spared but it is not in God's plan. I have really been feeling lately that HP does have something good planned for me through all this. I am sure it will be revealed.

{{{{HUGS TO YOU}}}}

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Jeannie,


Hmmmmm, I know how it is to love the man the disease has buried. As for the mother-in-law issue, well mine passed away in 2004 and miss he so much. But she wasn't controling and in fact made in quite clear to my "A" who she would choose if we ever seperated. She thanked me for putting up with his crap. I know she loved me and that is a gift I can carry with me.


Your post the way you so lovingly spoke of your "A", that is why I am still with my "A". Because of the man I fell for. I know he is in there. One night when he was so stoned he passed out in bed I put down the book I was reading, stroked hs face and said, " I miss you." ----This is not a joke this happened------ He whispered, "I miss you to, I'll be home soon." I bawled so hard and thanked my HP for letting me talk to the man I fell in love with. That has been something I have held on to. And when my "A" is acting like an "A" and I feel like I can't handle it, that's what keeps me holding on.


There have been times that I have wanted to leave, and wanted him to leave, but for me staying is ok. And he wants to stay.


But I can so understand the loving him even though the man you love is hidden.


Much Love,



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jeannie, i go with josey


i was with my EX  12 years, until i decided that i wanted recovery...he did not.....i got in...he stay the same......i grew away from him.....i moved on......i wanted better for me.....i wanted someone who could be THERE for me.....his actions would match his words.......i wanted someone who  could and WOULD  pull the plow WITH me,  in the same direction.......


i am alone today, working on me, and perhaps i am done (i'll be 60 in june)  with men...i don't know..it is in my hp's  realm, not mine.....i just try to recover me...that is all i can do


i don't give advice cuz we are all in diferent paths...what works for me may not work for another...


the choice is YOURS......i strongly suggest that u work the steps.....work them with your sponser,  and keep the focus on YOU and your recovery.................i feel for u being in this spot....it is never easy,  in fact its the hardest thing.....but i have decided, whats left of my life,  i want as much peace as one can have living in this  ever changing world.........there is ENOUGH pain that will find me.....i am NOT going to go out hunting for it........i have had my belly full of pain.......................peace/ rosie



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I had tears in my eyes a couple of times here - reading your post Jeannie, and some of the responses. I remember how it was, too - he was, and sometimes still is, such a special guy. I have found though, that the pain he had to go through to get to sobriety changed him, and even sober, he is not often the man I married.

The only thing I can add here, is that we need to remember that maybe our holding them up is the only thing keeping them from hitting bottom, and really starting to heal. If you love him, let go, knowing that his HP has him in the palm of his hand.

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Beautiful post Jeannie the bit that really stood out to me though was his mother trying to get him to go home with her on your wedding night.  He doesn't love his Mum more than you its just that she enables him and he doesn't have to take any responsibility.  His Mum is not going to be around forever and I think it will only be then that your husband gets the chance to truly reflect on what he has lost with you and the kids.  Luv Leo xxx

-- Edited by leo at 21:23, 2006-04-20

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wow (((((jeannie)))))))

Somebody pass the kleenex!

Beautiful share

David

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{{jeannie}}


Thank you for your post. I can soooo identify



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