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I love my husband with all my heart. When he is sober, he is the most loving, kind, sweet, compassionate person. We have been together for 4 years, and I knew he was an alcoholic after about the first 6 months. We lived together for the first few years prior to marriage, and it's rough to have the "part time" lovable hubby, but I delved in anyway. I knew my life would be difficult, but I was willing to love him through it all.
Now, having been together for 4 years, and loving my hubby through the alcoholism and week long binges, I want a baby with him so much. I told him I wanted to try and get pregnant so that we can have a little "he and I." I have friends that don't approve of it because of my husband's addiction. I'm sure there are family members who would not approve as well. But, if I'm willing to make the sacrifices, knowing that my husband may (at some points) not be there for me or the baby, should I have the family I want? I am fully aware that this will not "fix" my husband or the alcoholism. I just want a family so much, and I'm tired of waiting. Anybody feel the same way? Please try not to be mean and tell me I'm an awful person for wanting this. I understand the consequences if we are not in recovery. Something helpful or uplifting would be wonderful. Thanks. God bless!
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Marie McD
"You didn't cause it, you can't control it, you can't cure it."
Bear in mind that alcoholism is a progressive disease. It can go for long periods of staying the same, and can also sometimes progress very quickly to a further stage. But without recovery it won't get better. You will want yo be prepared for when your husband gets "worse", and would you be willing to deal with that.
I have struggled with this same issue. My wife is so fantastic when she is sober and in the right frame of mind, but when she is the throws of the disease, it is hell. I would really like to have a family. I feel like I have been so close at times, and I still feel that desire to have a family. Today, I am thankful that I do not, because I don't think we have ever hit a spiral this hard or fast before. Thank goodness I have Alanon to support me.
I think you will know what is the right decision for you, and I think it is important to listen to your inner voice or your HP. No one can live your life for you, and you have to make the choices that feel right to you.
I hope you keep coming back.
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Skorpi
If you are depressed, you are living in the past. If you are anxious, you are living in the future. If you are at peace, you are living in the present. - Lao Tzu
Hmmm .... This one is hard for me because you absolutely deserve to have a family, however you absolutely deserve to have a family with someone healthy.
In my experience, you will be a single parent. They are not capable of being parents in that state. It will hurt to hear that and accept that though.
Hello Maria, welcome to Miracles in Progress, I do believe I could've written the exact same post many years ago. That is exactly how I felt deep down and believed that my love for my husband was strong enough to withstand the disease of alcoholism. I thought I knew what the disease was all about and I was strong enough to have a family and live with it. I was wrong.
I never envisioned the consequences of this disease and how it would affect not only myself but my family. My love was distorted by this disease, and If I have not found Al-Anon I do believe I would've gone to jail for killing him.
Truthfully, you need to go within, as has been suggested, check your inner voice and then proceed. Please stay with Al-Anon, using the tools to maintain your sanity and serenity.
In my case , my hubby did find sobriety in AA and I found Al-Anon. Thank God for these programs.
Marie: I don't have any advice or suggestions for you but I do know what it is like to long for & want a child. I am 48 years old & have never been able to have children for different reasons. I was even told recently that I should get the essure procedure to prevent pregnancy. I thought that was the worst idea ever. Not to be too personal but no one is going to insert anything into my body for birth control. I am past the age of worrying about being pregnant. I just told the doctor after she started to insist, that I would never do it even if she tried to force me to do it which of course she can't. Anyhow, I long for the experience still but know that there are reasons that I am barren. I never ever didn't want to have a child.
Hope the best for you. I felt I needed to talk about my experience. No reflection on you.
It is a sad fact that alcoholics are not in control of their actions. The alcoholism gets worse (it is progressive), and they do things they would never do when sober.
My alcoholic husband loved our little boy dearly. Nevertheless I came home one day to find that he had endangered our toddler's life. (By leaving wide open a large window that went down to the floor, on the third story of a building). My husband had passed out. By a miracle of God, our boy had not wandered over to the window and fallen out. Yet.
That was when I realized I couldn't leave him in charge of our child.
He also drives drunk, despite swearing that he never would and never will. But his drunk mind makes decisions that his sober mind wouldn't. He doesn't care who's in the car with him when he does it.
It is terrible to face up to the fact that an alcoholic is basically an insane person and cannot make sound decisions.
I hope for the sake of your future child/children you'll think very seriously before embarking on this road. There are good men out there who are capable of being safe around children and good fathers. They are hoping to find good women to bring up a family with.
I would not ever tell anyone what to do with their own family, but I had one thought come to mind when I read your post. It's been agreed upon that alcoholism has a genetic component to it. So, you might not just be dealing with your alcoholic husband, but also in the future, your alcoholic child.
I say this because I never knew my daughters father had this problem. By the time I discovered it, he had cut and run. I tried to be a perfect role model when it came to alcohol use BUT still my 26 year old daughter is an alcoholic and slowly (maybe quickly) killing herself with vodka.
No matter how much you would love your child. Would you be OK with possibility going down this same path with your daughter or son? Because I have dealt with both a partner and a child with this disease and the child tears you apart to your very soul. Nothing you can do can stop them and no matter how much you love them and tried to show them a life without it, they can choose to take those drinks, and it can become your worst nightmare. And the alcoholic suffers too, I have no doubt about that... they don't want to live that life.
I wish you the best in your decision. I don't want to discourage you from what you think is right for you. I just want to give you another side you might want to consider.
No one can predict the future, but if I would have known then what I do now, I really think I would have made different choices.
I knowingly married and had a child with an alcoholic. I was sick of waiting, too. I reasoned that there would never be a perfect time or circumstance and that neither my husband or I was getting any younger. I don't know if it was right or wrong, but I don't think that you and I are awful people for wanting a child at all. When I look at my baby, I know that I will never regret the decision I made to have him.
That being said, there were some things that happened that I did not really anticipate. You know how much you love your husband? Multiply it by about a thousand and that is how much you will love your child. Also, the tendencies of your alcoholic spouse that simply annoy or worry you now will turn in to huge issues once a child is in the picture.
For example, I know that my husband sometimes sneaks alcohol at inappropriate times during the day. When it was just us, I worried about him driving afterwards and possibly getting to an accident or getting arrested. But, since I had already started Al-anon, I decided that if something like that happened, it would be a natural consequence and was beyond my control. Now that I have a child, I don't trust my husband to drive him anywhere at any time because I don't always know when my husband chooses to sneak his alcohol. I could bury my head in the sand and say that he would never put our son in danger like that, but I'd be really kidding myself. This disease is beyond his control and an alcoholic will always reason that they are in their right mind and are perfectly fine to do anything, including driving with an infant in the car. So, that means I drive my son EVERYWHERE, even though I go in to work earlier and stay later than my husband. If I have to work even later, then it is up to me to either work with the babysitter or find someone else to get him. I know that it doesn't sound like a big deal in theory, but in practice, it is very tiring and it inconveniences me and just about everyone involved with the exception of my husband. He gets to go home from work at his usual time and take a nap. It is hard not to resent the fact that he gets to skate on these responsibilities and then gets to play with our son and be the fun parent when we get home. It's kind of like I'm a single parent sometimes.
Also, when my husband behaves meanly or foolishly while intoxicated, I know my son is watching him. When he cracks open another beer, I know my son heard it and is watching him. Since becoming a parent, I have become increasingly aware that my child is always watching us, even though he's only nine months old. He is already looking to us as models for behavior. For that reason, I have begun to find the disease intolerable and the odds are that I'm going to have to face a divorce from the man I love in the not to distant future.
I'm not trying to discourage you from having a child at all. Motherhood is the best thing that has ever happened to me and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. But it will force you to take a good long look at yourself, your husband, the disease, and your part in it.
Welcome to mip. This is a good place to begin your own recovery. It sounds like you know what the right thing is within yourself. I had three children with an alcoholic so I cant judge you. I do know that my experience of raising children with an alcoholic was not good. My ex was not the father i wanted for my children, he couldn't be. My children were damaged by the upbringing they had. My whole family became sick, its a family disease, noone is untouched. My eldest son even has a problem with drink. Alcoholics are sick, they are suffering from a disease that means they are in no position to care for anyone really. There are some members here who are recovering alcoholics and Im sure they would tell you the same thing. It takes time in recovery before the alcoholic is well enough to begin taking part in relationships at all never mind being a father.
I think the fact you came here and put yourself out there like that shows courage and wisdom. I suggest you attend alanon meetings, get some support and learn about the disease. Good luck.
I appreciate the feedback and the helpful guidance. I wanted to clear up that I have attended alanon and read the literature and actively practice the alanon principles. My father is a recovering alcoholic and my mom attends alanon as well. She is so helpful and loving towards me in regards to what I go through with my husband. Luckily, my parents understand the disease and have so lovingly accepted my husband, knowing what a marriage like this is like. I'm very well supported by my parents. My hubby does go to meetings, but is still struggling with binges here and there. He is like me, reads literature and tries to apply AA principles to his life, but often falls.
I just wanted to see if anyone thinks like I do, knowing full well the life I've chosen and knowing what the challenges could be, but boldly going through that door of parenthood anyway, knowing there may or may not be consequences on the other side. I made a promise to myself to never let my husband be around a child while drinking, and it will be that way in parenting, too. My parents are 30 minutes away, so the support is there if I need them.
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Marie McD
"You didn't cause it, you can't control it, you can't cure it."
dear Marie,
you will have the ultimate decision and responsibility on your choice of life and that of a maybe-baby.
Nevertheless I wanted to give you my point of view and recent experience. You will take what you need and leave the rest.
I was with my A for 2 yearsmadly in love at first, then desperately lost at the end.
I wanted a baby too , a family as a whole I thought like you, I would manage.if it would happen, I would manage..all of it. He seemed to be better as well, health wise. But he lied to me, and I had lied to myself too, wanting so much a family, being a caring parent.
I became pregnant, and what developed then was beyond my imagination. His anxiety came back full speed, he didn't know how to handle his feelings, he preview on fatherhood, he basically turned into a baby himself, wanting my full attention to his problems. What I didn't know before, is, when you become pregnant, you yourself evolve into somebody different, with all the hormones.. you feel happiness of course, but as well a whole bunch of insecurities, your body plays tricks on you, your stamina lets you down, and you therefore need somebody by your side that is balanced, calm, loving, and caring at times. It doesn't matter if you are normally and naturally the nurturing type of person, and giving and caring yourself. In that moment when these changes happen within you, you will need somebody standing strong by your sideor at least not pushing nor pulling you down. Now that is exactly what As do, isn't it. My A couldn't stand the idea of my focus being shifted from him towards the babyhe became jealous, more insecure, mean.. not able to handle the situation at alland guess what? he went back to drinking, whereas before he handled quite well. that's what life does to them when hardships come up.they haven't got the tools.and they are quite self-centered, so they won't see what's going on with you. and you will want that at that time. you will need that at that time. Your baby is with you from day 1 of being conceived, which means it will feel through you, experiences chemicals through you. you will want these chemicals to be the good ones, produced in your body by joy, peace and happiness. those produced by anxiety and stress will create some life lasting features in your baby, which it will struggle with overcoming the rest of its life. Being a healthy mother was for me the highest responsibility.and I couldn't be with A around me. Also, in my case, he hit me hard, physically. so the baby was welcomes already in initial stages with fears, pain, suffering.not a good start. Sure I could have moved away, and have th baby on my own. But my heart was broken, for I couldn't understand how he could not stand beside us. I would have turned into a self-pitying depressed mother, probably my child would have felt this more than once in its evolution.. which thought also was too painful.
I aborted the pregnancy, and this too is something i will tell you straight forward, it is NOT something you want to have to deal with for the rest of your life, especially if you want children and love children and think of yourself of a capable mother. It is hard hard work.
So please consider all this, think , and think rationally, not emotionally, be responsible already for your unconceived children. It is quite a selfish act, and I tell this to myself, to become pregnant just for the romantic idea of being a mother. there is so much more to that. Of course there is nothing wrong, and it's our right to wish for, to have children, a family. But we have to be conscious about the choices of when, how , with whom. Think of the long runit's not only a baby that is coming, it's also a 10 year old, a teenager, who grows up and needs to live his/her own life the best they can. YOu want them to have at least a good luggage to start withand hopefully 2 loving parents. Being a single mum can of course be down, if needed, I have seen it many times. But you have still other choices, you can be more aware and limiting some of the damages there are many people who suffer out there, and main reason for this suffering lies in childhood and upbringing
Think it through.and then do what you need to do for yourself.
Just think: if you are already suffering as an adult next to an addict (you came to Al Anon and do all your personal work), think how a child suffers, who doesn't understand much of psychology in initial stage of its life)
as i said, just my experience, take what you need and leave the rest.
Wishing you all the best and the strength to move forward.
You've received great ESH I will only say it is VERY hard to raise healthy kids with an active A, and mine isn't violent or mean but it Affects them deeply no matter how hard you work. I also saw your post in which you referred to hiding with your pet until A calmed down - please picture how that would feel with your child. In my experience the drinking got worse when I was pregnant and just continued - and it seems to be a common occurrence as they can't cope with the responsibility or anxiety.