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New Here, and Need a Bit of Help


Hello Everyone,

I am very happy to have found this forum; I am living with an alcoholic spouse and it's finally beginning to take a toll on me. I am mentally exhausted, and of course physically as well. It's been a battle, and I've been doing research into how to really help; however, I know that I sometimes enable....I just took a quiz online, and I am a 62% enabler. Some of the questions though, haven't really occurred in our lives...yet, and this is why I am terrified. 

My spouse has hit me twice during a drunken rampage, and has quit the drink around 7 times now. One time it lasted almost 7 months...happiest time of my life. 

I need to know or understand a few things:

1. Some of the online advice states that I should "set boundaries" and then "stick to them". Can someone give me an example of this? What are boundaries exactly when it comes to alcoholics? 

I would appreciate any help you have to offer....last night was a bad night that had me screaming and threatening, and I don't think I am helping any. 



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Largely, the goal has to shift from "helping" him to really helping you. Instead of him being sober, the goal is for you to be at peace and happy regardless because you have zero control over his alcoholism.

So, boundaries are usually stated verbally when the alcoholic is sober so you know they have been heard whether or not they are believed...Examples:

1. If you choose to drink, I will go upstairs and I don't want to engage with you. I cannot engage/talk to/be intimate with a drunk person.
2. If you raise a hand to me, I will call the police and press charges on you.
3. If you start being nasty to me, I am leaving the room and I expect to be left alone.
4. If you scream at me or mistreat me, I am going to leave the house for the night and go to .....

It can range all the way up to:
5. If you drink, I am leaving you.

However, most people state that number 5 often and then they don't back it up so the person just sees it as empty threats and nagging. Hence, the need to "back it up" is that you have to follow through or the alcoholic thinks they can manipulate or lie to you about everything and your boundaries don't mean squat. The disease of alcoholism hates limits and boundaries so the typical response will be to hear that your boundaries are wrong and that you are nagging, boring, no fun,...blah blah... But you stick to them for you, not him because this is how you be true to yourself. Being with an alcoholic for a long time will erode your boundaries. You start to accept things you never thought you would and then those things become common place. Boundaries are an expression of what is and is not acceptable to you and then you stand firm on those things. They are made within reason and not for the purpose of controlling the other person.  So....taking that in mind, don't state a boundary that you know you cannot or will not back up.  If you know you are not ready to leave due to the drinking, then that's not a reasonable boundary for you (at least not yet) and that is okay.  It takes some figuring out on your part.  It helps to be attending alanon and talking to a sponsor about these things.



-- Edited by pinkchip on Sunday 21st of December 2014 08:00:21 AM

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Hi son Welcome to MIP. I am glad that you reached out and are searching for answers to recovery from the devastating effects of living with this disease of alcoholism. Setting boundaries is a fantastic tool as suggestion and one that should be implemented when you are ready.

Alcoholism is a chronic progressive, disease over which we are powerless. We didn't cause it can control it and can't cure it. The best we can do is to learn new constructive tools to live life because by living in the disease we are being negatively affected day by day.

At Al-Anon face to face meetings (held in most communities and listed in the white pages) we learn to break the isolation caused by the disease, receive support from those who understand his few others can, developed new constructive tools to live by and finally regain our self-esteem and self-worth.

We learn to keep the focus on ourselves, our needs and wants to that we can respond to others in a constructive manner. We also learn to live one day at a time, with boundaries and detachment.

The establishment of boundaries means that we are protecting ourselves from the negative effects of the disease. We understand that we are powerless over people, places and things and the boundary we establishe is for for us.

As Mark has pointed out, the boundary simply states if this happens I will do this. If you continue screaming, I will leave the room and not respond. That is a boundary. It is then up to us to maintain that and do it each and every time when screaming happens/  It cannot be an idle  threat or manipulation .  We find asafe place for us to maintain our serenity and peace.
Keep coming back recovery is a process and takes time and effort



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I could set all the boundaries with my x that I wanted to set. He was still a raging, unpredictable man with a drinking and drug problem. I couldn't live with it. The boundary I set for me was to move him out of my life and get on with it as a single woman with two kids to raise. I was tempted once or twice to return to him and my HP helped me experience a neighbor screaming at his wife and being stood up one night after cooking his favorite meal to keep me true to myself and my right to live in safety and in peace. Nobody has to live with somebody who acts out in a manner that can become increasingly violent. There were times of dormancy of the violence in him but it was always there. He hated women down deep and saw himself to be smarter and more valuable than a woman who he needed to dominate to make himself feel more powerful at her expense. In reality, he was cowardly and took his insecurities out on women until he got older and saw all the destructiveness he had done to himself and to both his wives, his kids and one woman who was smart enough to get out before he hit her. She saw the warning signs when they dated and called it off. Good for her. At this point in my life, I recognize that I am a woman who is valuable and able to put a man in jail who even looks like he might harm me. Of course, once I saw that I was worth more than what I was allowing in my life at the hands of a man, I no longer draw them to me. Our love does not help a violent man become less violent. That is something he needs to see and work on because he is disgusted by it.  If I do sense a man is violent or domineering, I'm not going to sit down and have coffee with him either.  I like men who respect their mothers, protect women, children and animals, enjoy life, are empathetic and sincere with others, stay away from the bar scene, and do things that are honorable and above board.  I didn't find any of that to be true in my x after we married.  I wouldn't want to put myself through another relationship where I think my love will change another person.  It won't.  It will only keep me spinning sickly on a merry-go-round to nowhere.



-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 21st of December 2014 11:42:37 AM

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I just went through this myself,my ex was a raging alcoholic and addict,and I was worn out emotionally and physically to the point of being physically sick.My boundaries were with myself,I drew the line,I stopped allowing myself to be a whipping boy for another person's illness.I was not put on this earth to endure,but to be blessed like everyone else.It  wasn't my job to fix or care for a person who had absolutely no respect for my feelings.I ended the relationship and I have no contact with him,I changed my phone number and I am working on myself,I am giving myself permission to be happy and find some joy in life.Here is something that helped me ,I read a little quote and it made sense,It was, ''You can't turn a tiger into a kitten''.That is what I was trying to do.I was living with an angry out of control man who needed help.



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Hi Sonia
I've just joined too and everyone here is lovely. In the few days I've been here I've leant so much and really felt supported and positive I can learn new ways of doing things And coping.
I'm married to an alcoholic who is still in denial. I left him because he would not stop treating me badly, it made me ill and I couldn't cope with the mental torture any more. Thankfully he was never violent like another ex, or I would have left before I did! Violence is never ever acceptable. Please don't excuse your bruises to anyone? I bet your family and friends are worried sick.
We can do this together
Big hugs
Luce xx



-- Edited by Lucers73 on Sunday 21st of December 2014 08:23:50 PM

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