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should I check up on him?


I expect the answer will be a resounding no.

You might know from previous posts my son was drinking heavily from Nov last year. Long story short I'd not had much contact with him until recently. No evidence he was drinking since he did a sel detox in cJuly. No evidence he wasn't drinking either.

I met him once recently, didn't go well. He walked off. Last week or so on the v v few occasions I've spoken to him, he seemed calmer and more clear headed about his options. Giving impression he wasn't relying on drink. We were due to see him this weekend.

 

He texted on Saturday saying he's ill. He did this avoidance when he def was drinking. I outright asked if he was drinking by text. He said no. He only has a couple if out socialising these days. He texted this am to say he's still ill and gonna rest in bed etc ready for work. Just spoken to his ex - they had an argument Friday she said he was unreasonable re child care (said in passing to my wife). She didn't mention any worry about him drinking but, to be honest, I'm not sure how good she is at spotting it and/or whether she would say.

 

Also, he's on capability at work from when he was drinking. (they never caught him). I don't see how he could hide it since then if he was.

 

Anyway, I just rang his phone. No answer. Again, this used to happen when he was drinking..I am torn between not knowing if he is drinking/ or has started a binge

and  whether I should drive to his to 'catch him out'

or just leave it as, what good would it do anyway if I did find he'd been drinking

 

what do others think pls?

 

 



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If I were concerned about my son's safety, I would check, but that would be one of the few reasons to check.  When our son caused us concern a few years ago, my husband did stop by, sat with him until the danger passed and reaffirmed that we loved him and would not pass judgment.  My son held onto my husband when he walked in like his life depended on it.  Whlie we cannot heal them ,we can love them.  Prayers for you and your family.



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thank you. I don't have a real fear he is in danger. Many times in the past I have dashed over fearing he has killed himself. I came to realise that, at least up to now, my fear of this was exaggerated.

My real fear is he is either A back on the booze or B he's never been off it but it is escalating again. But, unlike in the past, I know (intellectually) I cannot solve his problems.

the message I left him just said I was ringing to see ho whe was and asked that he ring to let us know. He hasn't. And, like I said, in the past this usually meant he was drinking and choosing not to call or he was sleeping off the booze.

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When in doubt, it's safe to assume they're drinking.  If not in doubt, they're drinking.  That's what alcoholics do.

What you know is:

he's not in a formal program of recovery

of those who have been in a formal program of recovery, the majority relapse and continue drinking

even he says, apparently, that he has 'one or two' when out socializing - but stopping at one or two isn't possible for an alcoholic, or else they wouldn't be an alcoholic

he says he's ill, which is what he does when he's drinking

he's evasive, which is what he does when he's drinking

...So the chances that this is all caused by something other than drinking are really so small as to not be worth thinking about.

I know that feeling of 'But I don't know for sure, it's hard to think about it unless I know for sure.'  The 'good' news is that drinkers can't hide their drinking, so more and more signs will become apparent. 

So as to whether to go over and see him (which I imagine will turn into a confrontation, as drinkers caught drinking are often belligerent) ... I guess I would ask yourself what your motive is. 

This sounds like a situation in which it's extra important to take care of yourself.



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My elder sponsor taught me a question back when I was in that stage and state of "having to know" the what, where and whens of the alcoholic/addict...that fixation on her that never seemed to end.  The question was "If you find out...what will you do with the information"?   If I kept doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results I would just repeat again and get crazier.    "...What will you do with the information"?    ((((hugs)))) smile

 

The next lesson was to decide what I wanted to happen for me and then do the things necessary to get that.  Compulsive focusing on the alcoholic/addict trashed my life.

 



-- Edited by Jerry F on Sunday 12th of October 2014 12:30:13 PM

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I agree with Jerry F....I used to check up on my last Ex b/c he was sweet and good to me and i cared...not like my first Ex whom I didn't care about,  but when he was stationed in Hawaii, living with his ship mate and friend, I would check up on him by calling his buddy's wife...yea, she would tell me the truth and like Jerry said..."what would I do with the information??"   what i did was get upset...cry...fuss at him to pleeeeeze get help....all the drill....Finally i just got tired of hearing about something that I could not change...didn't cause and for sure i am not gonna cure...and I let up, let it go.......after we split i got into alanon and WOW, the "checking up" thing  , we all did it....we all realized after time that it was no use to do it b/c we are powerless over another's choices....

so you are NOT alone......You're his mom.....My heart breaks for you moms and dads with an addict child.....our nature is to nurture and to protect and fight to the death to protect our cubs.....Other mom's of alcoholic children I am sure will weigh in on your post and you can get some good direction from them as to what they are doing to love their child, but keep their sanity through program.....please keep coming back...this alanon really works.....prayers to you and your boy



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actually, I'm his Dad. But I know the sentiments still apply. Thanks.

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Hes telling you what you need to know with his silence. What can you do for yourself, for your own life? Your son is doing what he is doing, nothing you can do but you can set an example by filling up your own life.

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MCALANON wrote:

actually, I'm his Dad. But I know the sentiments still apply. Thanks.


OOOOPS....so sorry......glad u know the sentiments still apply  (Grinning w/some embarrassment)



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I'm not going to say yes or no about contacting him. Each person makes the best choice they can in relationship to their loved ones. I do know he is drinking because he told you he just had some to socialize. He knows that 1 is too many and 100 are not enough. I am also going to say that when my son withdraws, it is because he chooses to do so and I trust that his HP has the scoop. And that doesn't mean I don't check around a bit until I know something about him and his whereabouts - I just don't interfere until he opens a door for me most of the time. And when he does, I don't ask questions about the drinking, etc because he will do what he will do. I do try to listen to him and if I recognize the disease, I wait until he recognizes it, too, and hears his own wisdom about the next step to take. If he's speaking and it sounds to me as if he is talking from that place in him that is healthy, then I affirm what I see to be his strengths and the things he's done well in his life and the memories I have of him that are positive and uplifting. If he's deliberately trying to scam me, there are times I've said so in terms he understands ie "Don't try to outfox the fox, son" or "I don't believe you," or "Is this true?" I do believe that my HP gives me the words to speak when the time is right. I also believe that when my HP reminds me of Euchre games that I've played and the times "I've stayed home," when my partner thought he could take all the tricks, that that is my HP's guidance, too, and I don't act on any fears or resultant feelings that I have. I just pray for him and entrust him into God's hands.

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He is an A. What difference does it make if he is using or not? My thing is to accept everyone as is, if I can't I don't hang around them.

I have said before, for me sometimes all I can do is love them.

He has a right to his personal life, he is an adult. I would not think of asking my kids personal questions. If they bring something up, I will say do you want to talk about it?

I know i would not want anyone saying to me, been putting up fences lately? carrying heavy things? None of their business. I have arthritis that is causing me a lot of pain.

As far as seeing him if he is drunk and is belligerant, all you have to do is say I  love you. we will see you soon. hugs!



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Mike I inadvertently got a hold of my own elder relapsing alcoholic/addict son and all he had to do was pick up the phone and answer.  We are so familiar with the sound of it and the attitude...is there anything different I should do but continue to surrender him and love him and pray??   I was taught no because that is what worked/works.  I will do what works....(((hugs))) smile



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I think he told you he was drinking when he said he "has a few when socializing." No alcoholic can have a few when socializing. That is code for "Yes, I am drinking and in denial again about controlling it." Give you a 99 percent chance of this assessment being true.

Having said that, what will knowing do for you? What will it matter? What would you do differently? He's always going to lie and hide it up until he totally surrenders and gets sober, if and when that happens. Let go. Don't play detective. It robs you of serenity.

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When my son said he was ill and was sleeping was because he did start to drink again and didn't want me to know. I learned this after about 4 years believing he was really ill and not drunk ill. After a while I was scared thinking he would kill himself by drinking to much and having seizures when he was finally out of alcohol but I let it go. He got scared enough to call 911 himself. After he was released from the ER and not wanting to go to rehab he had to walk home....I quit coming to his aid. This went on and on and I didn't lift a finger to help him. Believe me I was scared during these times but I learned and he learned by telling him never to tell me he's sick unless he is in a hospital dying and have the hospital call me.

He will seek help when he's scared enough and nobody is coming to his rescue. That's what I leaned.



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hello thank you for all your thoughts.

I worry so much about him, And especially about his baby who lives with her Mum but they have a lot of contact.

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It might be helpful to you as a grandparent to read some shares in our book: "How Al-Anon Works." Our readers don't mention issues with grandchildren involved and that book has some shares you might find helpful. We have even less control with our grandkids than we do with our own children and staying out of it is also something that we also struggle with as parents of adult As. My groups have a lot of grandparents in them and that is helpful for me. Maybe your groups have grandparents, too? Alienating our grandkids' parents is an easy thing to do and trying to exert control there can backfire, too.

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