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Needing some advice, I'm the wife of a recovering addict


First, I'd like to say that I'm thankful I found a group like this. Personally, I'm not in recovery, but my husband is. In all honestly, I really wish we had a NARAnon group closer to me becase I could really use it.

Here's the BG -

10 months ago my husband decided to become clean and sober. He would drink occasionally and he smoked marijuana and dabbled with cocaine (we dabbled with that together and eventually just dropped it - we weren't really ever "hooked" on cocaine, or maybe we were and I'm just in denial. I don't know. We've been married for 11 years.

Anyway. 10 months ago he decided he was done with all of it. He started going to NA and AA meeting 3-4 times a week (and still goes). He joined a clean and sober motorcyle club. He's made a lot of new friends and he even chairs some of the NA meetings now.

About 7 months in he picked up a new meeting. He was now gone 4-5 nights a week. I began to feel really lonely, raising our toddler by myself and seeing him only for an hour every night. All of a sudden he has this new life that I'm not apart of and he gets to pick up and leave whenever he wants while I'm trapped at home with our son (trapped is a strong word, but that's how I feel sometimes.). 

He eventually told me he had picked up the extra meeting because a woman who lived close to us needed a ride. That was a red flag for me. I didn't say anything, though. I said okay. Then it stewed and stewed and I told him I thought it was innappropriate to be spending time alone with a woman other than your wife and surely she has someone else. He didn't really say much except that I shouldn't worry because she's a lesbian and if she had another ride, she'd surely get it.

A few more weeks went by and they were texting a lot and I finally just had enough and broke down one night. I cried on his chest and told him that I miss him, that I feel trapped, that I hate myself (I'm struggling with self esteem right now), and that I'm afraid of losing him. He seemed shocked and taken aback. He literally asked "is that what you think? I'm going to leave you?" I told him yes. He assured me he loves me and he is not leaving. 

The next day he told me he would be staying home on that night - that he told her she'd have to find another ride. They were still texting and calling a lot. She's only been sober for 6 months and has been in and out of prison for drugs for awhile now. I figure she needs a friend. She's had a rough life. He eventually had me meet her. She's pretty nice, but pretty broken. And they've began calling and texting a lot more now that I've met her.

Fast forward to now and they're still hanging out. That's not what I'm worried about. I've spent time with her. I don't think she's interested that way in my husband. However, he tells her stuff. Stuff that he should be talking to me about - not her. He's emotionally invested in her and her with him. The more time I spend with her alone the more information I learn about him. He's obviously told her he's bored with life, etc. It's no secret that he hates his job. He wants more excitement, more adventure.

I want that, too. I want to feel desired again. I told him this last night. I told him I wanted to talk to him about him - what he's feeling, how he's doing with the program, what his hopes and dreams are, etc. I told him I want him to kiss me like he misses me, to grab my butt when he walks by, etc. He did those things yesterday.

Here's where I need advice:

He had to go to her house last night to fix something. He came home at a decent hour. So I asked him if he wanted to talk. He said about what? I said those same things and he gave me shrugs and one word answers for the most part. I gave him a back massage and we went to bed.

This morning he sends me a text saying he loves me and asking about our toddler (who was sick yesterday). I said he's doing okay. He said good. Then he texts me this: "you said you wanted to talk about feelings. Well, I've thought about suicide. I know it's not the answer and I'm pretty sure I won't do it". 

I had no idea. I told him that. I mean, I know he's been feeling down and he's probably feeling tons of emotions he never felt before and maybe he's overwhelmed, but contemplating suicide? I didn't know.

I asked him what I could do to help. He said didn't reply. I told him he could give me a call on his lunch. He replied back "it was just a thought". So I told him that I was here to listen, that I won't judge him, that I love him through good times and rough times. I also said that I don't want to be just his wife, that I want to be his friend. He said "I know". 

What I need to know is what do I do for him? Is there anything I can do for him? Are these feelings he's having normal / part of the process? One of his best guy friends told me that I have nothing to worry about with the other woman - that he loves me so much and, without breaching the anonymity of AA/NA, told me that he talks about me and how awesome I am when he's sharing. 

Obviously I'm looking for warning signs, but how do I deal with this? What does he need from me? He knows I'm here to support him. 

How do I help him break through the emptiness?

Thank you in advance.



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What do you need for you? Although I think it is admirable that you want to be there in a supportive way for your husband, it appears to me that he has plenty of people there for him. What I didn't read is who is there for you and with you? I do hope that you will attend Al-Anon or Nar-Anon for yourself. That can make a lot of difference for you. It appears to me that you are very isolated and the support in Al-Anon can be life-giving and life-saving for you. You're not alone.

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Welcome to MIP, we are a supportive, honest community working on our own recovery programs regardless of our circumstances.  The feelings that you are having are normal, I remember feeling the way you do when my husband was in recovery the first time.  I had just had surgery and, although I was happy he was in recovery, I was pissed at the same time.  Your husbands involvement with this other woman seems to be interfering with the emotional intimacy with you.  I agree with your concerns and would not tolerate the situation.  

We learn through the 12 steps, to be self loving and accepting.  We learn to break our dependence on other people and circumstances.  This gave me a feeling of freedom that I had either not known or had forgotten.....you can have this freedom, too.

Like Grateful expressed, I hope you find an al anon or nar anon meeting to attend.  

 



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Thank you both so much for your replies. I did cry out and tell him that I needed to work through this too. Part of me feels like it's selfish for me to feel this way. I know that I need to have someone there for me as well, but it's really hard. I've completely lost who I was over the last 2 years because I now have all this responsibility of our toddler, basically being the sole caregiver of our child, especially in the last year since he is leaving every night to go to meetings.I actually had a break down and told him how I was feeling and he said that on the night he doesn't go to these meetings I could go to a meeting or I could start working out again. I did start working out again but instead of having someone watch my toddler I take him with me and deal with interruptions.I really just don't want to hinder his recovery.

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I'm so sorry you're going through this.

The toddler stage is very draining and can put people under a lot of strain even if nothing else is going on.  I read a study that found that people who have jobs work longer hours when they have a toddler.  Why?  Because at work they can control things.  Taking care of a toddler is all about reacting to something you can't control: the toddler.  It is very time-consuming.  In centuries gone by, people lived in very small villages and no one was stuck taking care of a toddler just by herself or even just as a couple.  Basically we're not built for it. 

But I get that your husband is new to recovery and has his own issues and that makes him even less available than otherwise.  People newly in recovery are kind of unsteady, and often the problems they've been suppressing with drugs and alcohol come to the surface, like depression and not having good coping skills.  And it sounds like there's this woman who makes him feel like a knight in shining armor, and who doesn't have a toddler that needs taking care of, so he's gravitating dangerously towards her.  Not saying they'll have an affair, but escaping in "rescuing" her is just another way of avoiding handling his own problems.  And if she's fragile and got drama, the drama can be very distracting.

First off I think any parent of a young child needs multiple sources of support.  Because just two people are not enough.  When my child was toddler-age I got a little daycare (two hours twice a week) just to give him some social time and me some breathing space.  Through the daycare I met some other parents and we started exchanging kids.  First an afternoon where the kids hung out together while the parents chatted.  Then after a while, leaving the toddler at the friend's for an hour or 90 minutes.  After a while, at the friend's for an afternoon.  By age 4 they were doing happy sleepovers.  Another up side is that when they reciprocate and their kid comes over to you, the kids amuse each other and it's much less demanding.

However you can arrange it, other sources of childcare and support are life-savers.  And I'd give your husband your child to take care of when you go out.  Gives him a chance to bond better, and gives him a sense of what you're up against, and gives you some time.  Lets him feel helpful and part of the family - big things.

Sounds to me like he also needs his own support - a good counselor. You and the fragile woman and even his recovery groups are not professionals - you shouldn't be in the position of assessing his thoughts about suicide and trying to help him.  People go to school for years to learn about this - let them do what they're trained to do.  You have so much on your plate already.

Take good care of yourself.  Hugs.



-- Edited by Mattie on Thursday 25th of September 2014 05:10:33 PM

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It isn't selfish to admit that you need a break and to find ways to meet that need.

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Thank you. I needed to hear that.

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I am with you about it is not appropriate to be married and talking and texting with the opposite sex. How would he feel if it was you. You went to help the guy at his  house. Or family or whoever seeing you with another man?

For me that is a big no no. We never know what could happen. People usually don't just come out and do something wrong. It happens as things build up over time.

How we help them is taking care of ourselves. Letting them get on with their recovery. A person in recovery is still shakie even after a year or more. Meetings for many are their lifeline to stay as well as they can. Becuz using is death.

His sobriety is his number one priority.

As far as you, it's exhausting raising kids. You are basically a single mom. A lot is just being concerned about your child, that is wearing in itself. Also we go from being a woman, only one person, but kids add to you.

I like reading books that ask me questions. Then I learn so much about me. I took lots of personal growth classes, I was introverted and shy.

Sure am not now.

It helps to come here and vent and ask questions. His recovery is a personal thing. It's not ours to question or get into.

So we look at our needs and wants. It was great seeing you asking him for what you needed and wanted. NO one can read our minds. Giving to him is nice too. write him little notes etc. I have lots of books about men and about how we can approach them.

It helps our self esteem too. I can tell ya the names of them if you pm. They are very very true too. written by men. They absolutely do not think like we do nor us them.

The way you are feeling too is your hormones readjusting to not building a human being. It takes awhile to settle. Plus most womens hormones change them into being more momlike and not so much wife/girlfriend like.

Maybe think about how you were before and what you liked more. I love pretty nightgowns, writing all the things i like about my Husband and giving it to him. or making a list of questions for us both to answer. I like to tease and play.

do you ever have someone watch your kiddo for you?

Anyway thinking outloud. If you stick around you will gain lots from here. hugs



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Being new to the "recovery" think was crazy making for me...the expectations I had that "if this happened or if it didn't" and the "What ifs and what if nots" were crazy making and I was told to stay out of her recovery and get into my own.  I had to facilitate my own recovery and there were times I had to have her support with it.  I wasn't her sponsor or her counselor there were others she had that gave her support and I turned her over to them and asked for support from her for myself.  Of course the support I needed was with the people of Al-Anon who knew and knew that they knew what the disease was and how it moved and sounded and made its way thru our lives.  It is very very manipulative and for a time allowed me to put up with irresponsibility on the part of my alcoholic/addict wife until I woke up and became aware of what a lie was and not and the truth and half truths were also.  AA was/is a society of like experienced people and at times much more pleasant to be in than at home taking care of my responsibilities.  Drugs and alcohol are both mind and mood altering chemicals so I don't make one more anything than the other.  The object of recovery is to return me to the life of order I once had before I drank and used.  What was he like before you married?  What did he do and how did he do it?  I had to know and learn the picture so I didn't get confused with what was going on and who it was going on with.   Keep coming back.   ((((hugs)))) smile 



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My experience as a person who is in recovery also has been that people are really gung ho recovery for the first 2 years (some keep it the massive focus of their lives forever and I guess that is okay). It is new for people in the first year to have this camaraderie and share feelings in groups and it's kind of a new addiction of sorts. For me, I lived in a recovery bubble for about 2 years while I relearned how to function. Now, I am more reintegrated into the real world and society. Not all people reach this point in recovery. I just wanted to say what I think might be going on based on my knowledge of the recovery process.

Alanon would be good for you, maybe CoDA if you can find meetings. I hear you talking about self-esteem problems and it does seem so much of your esteem is wrapped up in him. You are going to be fine regardless of what happens with him. You don't know how strong you are. Be good to yourself.

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Thank you all for your responses. I really appreciate it. I'm happy to know that what we're both feeling / going through is normal. You have no idea how much your messages have helped me - just overnight. 

I have never known him sober. He started using MJ at 16 and started dabbling in cocaine at 23. I didn't meet him until he was 24 (I was 19 and very naive). I didn't even know he smoked cigarettes until our 3rd date. I didn't find out about the mj until we were already married (he just told me one day because he felt guilty). He didn't smoke much, maybe once a day back then and, personally, I didn't have an issue with mj - in my opinion some people just use it to relax.

I didn't find out about the occasional cocaine use until we were married for 3 years. I was 23 by then and was a little less naive and noticed he was acting weird - like paranoid. He had been out with his work buddies. He hadn't been drinking at all, so I thought this behavior was crazy. I point blank asked him if he was on crack (not even thinking he'd say cocaine). He was honest with me and said he had been doing foilies with the guys and he brought some home (hence the paranoia). I lectured him for an hour about how bad it was for him, how disappointed I was in him, etc. Then he said "just try it. I promise you if you say you hate it, I'll never do it again. You can even lie to me and tell me you hate it." I finally gave in and wow. I loved it. He started talking to me. He was opening up about all sorts of things. We talked more than we ever had. It was amazing. All inhibitions were gone. Personally, I couldn't wait to do it again so we could talk like that.

We used coke off and on for the next 4 years - sometimes going months without using it, but other times using it every Friday night. Then one day, we talked and decided we were done with it. It was pretty easy to give up because we weren't using all the time - just occasionally. However, he was still smoking MJ.

I smoked with him occasionally, but I really didn't care for it. Sometimes it would make me feel a lot more than what I wanted. I'm overweight and my back hurts sometimes and sometimes when I would smoke, the pain would magnify 100 times. Other times it helped. I didn't like not knowing which I was going to get, so it didn't really appeal to me...and I stopped smoking completely about a year before we got pregnant.

He made the choice all on his own to get clean and sober last Dec. I know he's struggling with all these emotions and feelings. He really hates his job (it's very physical) and I think he's bored with life in general and in the bedroom, too. 

I told him on Wed that I wanted more passion. I want him to kiss me, to smack my butt, to grab my boobs (TMI). He has made an effort to do those things the last two days. I asked him about his feelings and got nothing that night, then that text yesterday, which I think was a bit of a turning point for him and me. I hugged him when I got home from work and told him thank you for sharing that with me, that I wasn't going to treat him any differently. I mentioned that what he's feeling is normal and that it just means he's human. I also said feelings suck, but this is his opportunity to learn how to deal with them - then told him not to be like me - don't bottle it up, learn to take care of them the right way.

After his meeting they went out for pizza. He got home around 10 and I had waited up for him. Because of some of the things you guys said (and without going in to too much detail) I kind of initiated a little something something and it was probably the most passionate night we've had in a really long time - something we were both missing. I told him I missed this and wanted more of that and he said he does too.

When I woke up this morning (he was already at work) I texted him "good morning, I love you" and he texted me back right away "love you too, beautiful, have a good day". It's the first time in a long time he's called me beautiful. It made me feel so special. It's amazing what 24 hours of prayer and some advice can do. Obviously we have a long road ahead of us. I'm going to work on me and getting happy and also work on being more interested in his recovery - I think me trying to let him have his space with his recovery may have equated in his mind as me not investing in him. I rarely ask him how he's doing / feeling because I don't want to pry. I'm going to do that more - I think he needs that from me and maybe this other chick will not be so needed. I'm okay with friends of the opposite sex, but when you're sharing things with her that you should be sharing with me, well, that crosses a line - part of it's my fault, though, since I try to tread so lightly about his recovery.

 



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Ceak, so glad you had some great responses to your efforts.  When we are around addiction, we get pulled into the insanity too, until our own judgment is distorted.  You say that you've never known him when he hasn't been usind drugs, and that smoking mj once a day is "not that much."  So all this time he's been altered and not really responding to the world from his own unaltered self.  It stands to reason that it would take a good deal of time to relearn to do the world clean and sober.  But it's also worth finding out for yourself why you would be with someone who didn't have an unaltered self to share with you.  There's been a third party - drugs - in your relationship the whole time.  (Makes sense in an addiction kind of way that he'd lean on a different third party when the first third party is gone.) 

The danger is that our own judgment and skills get so distorted that we have lost perspective too.  For some people this means that if they leave their relationship with an addict, they get into their next relationship with another addict.  For some it means they don't "show up" for the cleaner relationship, and unconsciously turn to unhealthy ways of relating.  He's never been without drugs since a young age, you've never been without an addict since a young age.  So while he learns the new recovery ways, you can find your own recovery ways.  I think that's been the very most valuable part of the program for most of us.  Take good care of yourself.



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