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Married for 5+ years. Wife has a drinking 'problem' (2-3 bottles of vodka per week). She had an angry outburst today that turned violent (threw iced tea at me, slammed remote control and kicked her way all over the house). I offered to leave the house until she got better and I actually left and went to my mother in law's house. While there she sent multiple text which I then started to ignore because of course they were foolish.
Finally looked at my phone a few minutes later and the 'i am slitting my wrist thanks to you, i hate you' text popped up. I figured it was just her way to get my attention, but I called the police anyway because you cant be too sure. When I arrived outside the house still not police. Then mother in law arrived as my wife was leaving the house. 45 minutes after the police were called, they finally arrived. They looked at the text message and she admitted to threatening to hurt herself. So they took her in, handcuffs and all. She gave us a dirty look as she rode in the marked patrol car and although I didnt see any neighbors watching all of this, I have to think that once she sobers up by tomorrow morning she will be embarrassed. She has never been in cuffs before and she was very visibly upset and angry towards her mom and I, as if its our fault that she drinks, gets violent, and threatens to cut her wrist. I was told that she would be under 72 hour hold and she is sitting int the emergency psych ward as I write this. This has been the escalation of not giving in to her and having everything her way. She has not stuck to her treatment then drinks and now becomes violent. She is full of anger and self hate.
I am afraid to live under the same room as her. I am hoping that when she's released she will come home, pack her things and move in with her mom. Her mom doesnt want her though as she is tired of her going over only when she needs a place to crash, drink when everyone else goes to sleep, then recover in the morning. She more than likely will come back here. I need an exit plan. My ultimatum to her in April was that she need to show improvement by way of a program to recovery by the end of July or I was walking. Its very clear to me that she hasnt made any improvement and I will have to keep my end of the deal and walk.
I've attended several Al Anon meetings over the last 3 months and several therapy sessions for 3 months prior to that and if not for that, I dont think I would have allowed her to experience what she experienced today. Is there anything I did wrong?
This program has helped me have the wisdom to know when I have to hand some people over to powers greater than myself. And the people in my life with alcoholism/addictions are the people who are too attached to me, to hear me about their addictions. It can be so emotional when I do.
The 72 hour observation might make it possible for you all to talk with a counsellor before she is released so that the issues can be brought up and options can be talked about like how your wife feels about her own drinking.
I don't have alot of recovery but I do know the crazyiness of nights like these. Be kind to yourself and gentle with yourself.
I am so sorry your going through this,and I think and feel you did exactly the right thing, in my own personal experience people that threaten you with suicide rarely do it, it's just a cruel form of manipulation and a cry for help, stay strong and keep seeking the help it's out there, for all of you, your wife will have to take responsibility for the outcome of her behaviours, of course she may or may not, your in support.
You did the best thing, allowing her to go through the consequences for her behavior.
The only thing I want to say is this, ultimatums do not work and they make it worse.They will get a feeling of having to drink more as soon they cannot, and of course never being able to stop.
Its like telling someone not to experience the symptoms of their disease, one being using. Going into rehab or detoxing means nothing unless they do it 100% on their own. I mean they think of it and do it. They have no control over when that will be either. Many it is when they are sick of being sick so they find they can commit to doing their best in recovery. There is no cure, there is no end. This is her life.
The thing is they are committing suicide, just ever so slowly. Many do try as they put themselves in very serious situations.
Unless we can accept them as is, use al anon skills to stay, it will always be impossible.
I believe people leave when they do out of they KNOW they want to. To stay would destroy them. That is every ones own personal decision. Some have to go back a few times to finally really leave.
If you are in danger, of course you must do what you have to, to be safe!
Please keep coming, having a support group really helps!
-- Edited by Debilyn on Sunday 6th of July 2014 04:00:12 AM
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That took courage and was completely the right thing to do. When we minimise, hide, fix, cover up for all this bad behaviour it sends them the message to keep going and nothing uncomfortable will happen to you. This has been a natural consequence of her behaviour, this is what alcoholics lack often, just the normal, natural consequences that occur in life. They usually have people who cushion them, this leads them to believe they can do whatever they want, like little toddlers.
Now you have stood up to her, can you keep going? If you dont want her back home, pack up her things and put them on the porch, dont let her in, if she makes a fuss call the police. Treat her like you would a normal person, dont tolerate bad behaviour, she will get the message quickly and it may be just what she needs, it is definately what you need for your own self respect, self esttem, claim back your life. Noone needs to or is forced to live with this behaviour, it is too much for anyone. You have choices. Good luck, I hope you can do the right thing.
I had to do the same thing. It's didn't help but I'm glad I did call the police. We can't handle this alone and we need help for ourselves. We need to let them totally feel the consequences of their actions without their feelings involved. They need to do know what this disease it doing to them all the way to the end no matter what. If we don't it will just continue.
Now is the time to start taking care of you. Again welcome and keep coming back..
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My AS behaves the way your spouse does when using. As his mother, the worst thing I can do is take him in to live with me AGAIN. He is as dangerous to me as he is to himself and others when drugs and alcohol(a drug) have total control of his mind. Giving him a soft place to land also helps him continue to drink and be destroyed by alcoholism. He might still be destroyed by alcoholism even without having a soft place to land in my home, but I won't be responsible for contributing to that destruction by letting him move in with me again. The disease is angry with you and not the person who is being destroyed by it. We are powerless over that disease and the person with it. Nothing we say or do has any effect on that disease. Admitting that we need help for ourselves - this disease wants to destroy us, too - and getting into recovery for ourselves is one of the best ways I know to counterbalance the effects of this disease on us - whether or not our loved one continues drinking.
-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 6th of July 2014 08:01:37 AM
Welcome unicornhunter I am happy that you are attending alanon meetings and am glad that you called 911. Alanon saved not only my sanity but my life as well. I do so understand the pain, and confusion that comes with loving a person with this disease. My hubby went to detox and rehab several times, and each time I believed it to be the last. I kept going to alanon feeling my feelings using the tools and then one day I could not stand the pain and anxiety any longer and I left. He called his sponsor and after a few day entered rehab and remained sober until he passed from cancer 7 years later. It is a difficult disease to live with but with alanon I believe I was given the tools to love the alcoholic while still taking care of myself.
Keep coming back . I too was a unicornhunter and I am so glad that alanon gave me the tools to learn how to hunt :)
You took the best action possible in this situation. I am sorry you were left second guessing yourself as a result of her destructive choices. Keep coming back.
Thank you everyone. Your words and positive reinforcement got me through last night without worry or guilt. They released her today (out of my control) she called and left a message letting me know where she was and how I could reach her (didn't want to reach her but ok) then when I didn't call her she called again and asked whether I could pick her up. I reiterated her question and asked her how she got there in the first place (patrol car). I told her I wasn't picking her up (only 5 miles away) and good luck finding her way home. She then asked how she was supposed to get home if I didn't pick her up. I told her good luck with that. She ended up taking the bus home. First she took the wrong one and went the opposite direction and it took her 2 hours to travel home from the hospital that's just 5 miles away. Now she's passed out on the bed recovering.
Thank you everyone. I hope I can provide the same comfort you kind strangers provided me to someone else one day.
Off to unicorn hunt!! Haha
I am sorry you are going through this. It sounds like your wife is acting like she's a rebellious teenager so you have to be the parent. Then again I feel like my A is a rebellious teenager too so perhaps I am projecting. For me I am trying to let go so he can make his own mistakes and feel the consequences. but I secretly want to control him. It sounds like you did the right thing and didn't jump when she snapped her fingers. It was very strong of you to let go and let her find her own way home. I'm glad she is home safely.
Welcome UHunter and also glad you found this family. Hope you keep coming back and to your Al-Anon meeting also. My former wife was also alcoholic and addict and I did, I think, just about everything to either teach her how to drink and use to stopping under severe consequences...nothing worked and I didn't get saner I got crazier. There was police...for her and for me...and there were hospitals and institutions and more. I didn't know what it was all about and therefore didn't know what to do with or about it. Before I got into Al-Anon my thought was that she was doing "it" to just hurt and piss me off and she was succeeding cause I was and then for me she stopped being my wife and became a bitch and with that attitude life got more worse and insane than I would have ever expected. By some miracle I found the doors into Al-Anon and learned early on that my wife wasn't a bad person...she was a sick person with a life threatening disease and that disease was killing me also. I learned that I had a wife who I loved and an alcoholic who I'd rather not have in my life...deciding which one was who at anytime was the trick and that is where the program worked for me. Alcohol is a mind and mood altering chemical...a liquid depressant...a whole body destroyer; cell by cell which can also destroy who ever comes into contact with the alcoholic...mind, body, spirit and emotions. I was sicker and more insane than my spouse was and I needed help. Never could understand why I married her because I was thinking of not. Working the program and learning many many things such as detachment and not controlling and manipulating my alcoholic/addict was good for me because it kept me out of reach mentally, emotionally and spiritually. I could use the space to change my perceptions and behaviors. I also "allowed her the dignity" of her choices like your allowing her to figure out how to get home by herself because she got to where she was on her own in the first place. Learning how to make the change without anger or judgment or shame and blame was huge for me. I loved her and needed how again to act that out.
Don't second guess your decisions after you make them. Do it before you make them. Hind sight is 20/20. This is a life threatening disease and that doesn't mean only hers. Take care of yourself. Keep coming back (((hugs)))