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I've been reading much about detachment lately. I'm trying not to let my AH's behavior get unhelpful reactions out of me. I'm trying to keep my mouth closed. I'm trying not to argue. Trying to say "you may be right." Then last night I engaged. My son wanted to watch tv. AH, son and I were all present for a conversation that went along the lines of "if you complete your pre-bedtime list you may then watch tv." So my son did his part and got his list of things completed (brush teeth, pajamas, etc.) and took the remote to find his show. AH told him he couldn't watch tv. Son started crying. I jumped in with a harsh tone of voice and informed AH that WE had told son he could watch tv. AH stomped toward the basement because "son and I always team up against him". I told him once again - pointedly - that he was part of the decision that son could watch tv. I definitely engaged with my AH. And I let my son watch tv. How does one practice detachment in this situation?
Today I had lunch with an f2f al-anon acquaintance. AH wanted to know who I was with and I said a friend from my meetings. He accused me of things he knows I wouldn't do and was angry that I wouldn't divulge the name of my lunch date. Accused me of ignoring him and our relationship and of "doing my own thing." Then later tonight he took off with no word about where he was going or when he might return. The double standard is so frustrating, even though I know it is the disease talking.
One thing I've learned since beginning al-anon a few months ago is that I need to let AH face his own consequences. One thing I'm not good at is letting AH face his own consequences. I'm making progress in many areas of AH's life, but still tend to make sure he's awake to go work when he's supposed to. The thing is, I know I shouldn't be doing it, so instead of telling him he needs to wake up for work, I do things like shut doors loudly or turn on a light or make lots of noise with the dishes. (As if by not "officially" waking him up, I'm not actually enabling him - I know, I know - I'm enabling him.) Tonight I made two incorrect assumptions that led me, by accident, to fail to wake him for work. (His hours each day are different, and the reason he's so often asleep before work is because he's drunk himself to sleep.) Wow - lots of anger at me for that. And that's what prompted his leaving that I mentioned above.
I find that my AH wants to "fix" our relationship because our relationship is what "makes him drink" (lies, lies - the disease makes him drink). He's trying to make us closer because he misses me, blah blah blah. The problem is that I DON'T LIKE HIM RIGHT NOW. Really struggling to love and support the alcoholic, as we read at the beginning of each f2f al-anon meeting. Also really struggling to "detach with love". Detach, yes. With love, not so much. Detach with anger...detach with resentment...detach because I feel suffocated by you...
Yep. I have so much "working the program" to do before I'm anywhere near serenity.
It sounds like you are doing really well. You have awareness and acceptance that he is an alcoholic and that he has a disease. As suggested in the pre amble at meetings, alcoholism is too much for most of us so I think its important to accept that we are not going to do it all perfect but we are getting much better and when we do not act or not react we need to forgive ourselves and move past it. It is very difficult watching this illness have an impact on a child, is he old enough to tell him his dads not well? Children often know anyway from a very early age that something is not right.
For me detaching with love became much easier when I set some boundaries because while I was still accepting unacceptable behaviour I was still reacting due to fear and anger. Boundaries helped me get a bit of trust in my recovery and myself. For example, when he wants to know where you have been and all that nonsense, you could tell him clearly and calmly that you will leave the room if he continues and do it, keep doing it till he gets the message. The tactics that work for a toddler, in my experience, worked for me. You have to show him what you will accept and what you wont. Arguments, talks, demands dont work, its the action part, the getting up and moving away from the unacceptable behaviour every time that does it. I dont talk much to the alcoholics in my life, we speak different languages, my brain works a different way, I cant get them to see life my way. I can be with them for a limited time only. You are doing great, keep leaning on the program it works miracles.x
Hi. Sounds like a no win situation to me with the child involved. I think standing up for your child's right to expect that what has been promised him will be given him and making sure it happened is a good thing to do. On the other hand, if there is an argument, the child can feel like it is his fault there was an argument. All the little guy wanted to do was watch his show. Maybe it would be helpful to your child to ask him how he felt about what happened and let him know that the disagreement was between you and his Dad and you're sorry that things got so difficult for him but you're also glad he got to watch his TV show because he had done all that you and Dad wanted him to do?
I want to be honest here - for all my years in Al-Anon, I can't detach in love from a bullying alcoholic when a child is involved. I divorced one because of what my kids were going through and multiple years later, I still have absolutely no tolerance for a full grown man or woman mistreating a child - especially after that child does what he's asked to do and the outcome is ugly for him.
I don't know if your child is old enough for Alateen? If so, that might be a good place to take him? I did seek the help of good trained addiction counselors and therapists for families. I found one of the best psychologists in the area just by checking with folks in my home group following meetings. His help was a godsend for me. The therapists I met with who weren't trained as substance abuse counselors were not helpful. They tended to defend the alcoholic and look for explanations of why he did what he did rather than understanding the affects of the disease on family members and ways to counterbalance it. Since meetings encourage leaving our professional hats checked outside the rooms, I found it most helpful to ask for good professionals that other members had experienced and found to be experts in that field rather than to look for people in my meetings with that type of training. It worked for me. I don't know if it work for you?
I'm glad you are attending meetings for yourself and I'm sending lots of prayers for all of you. This disease is a spirit killer. At least there is one person in your family - you - who is seeking recovery. That can make a big difference for you and for your child. Sending lots of prayers and encouragement for you most especially. I can certainly understand the resentment, anger, frustration and ambivalence when trying to "fight a disease" that bests us at every turn. Fortunately, we don't have to fight it because we didn't cause it, can't control it and can't cure it. We can accept our powerlessness over it, admit our defeat in trying to combat it and surrender to the continued healing our program and other supports can offer us. Keep coming back.
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For me, detachment without the anger came in the form of sticking up for myself without arguing. "Keeping your mouth shut" and "Not engaging" are things that need to be done at specific times. Otherwise you are just being passive and getting your boundaries trampled. So, for me, it comes in the form of "No, sorry honey, it's not my job to wake you up.", "Hey, you left without telling me. I feel that's disrespectful to me because I care about you." and "I refuse to ever accept the excuse that I make you drink."
Yeah, of course these will spur arguments back from the A because they don't like to be accountable and a mature. It is at that point you give short answers or stay quiet or just simply restate the boundary of "Sorry. Not my job to wake you up.", "No, I don't make you drink", "It's disrespectful to leave and not say where you are going." He will try and try to make it an argument but you can answer with "I'm not arguing. Just making a statement." He will probably come up with his own irrational statements again but then you can detach because you stated your boundary. This is the part where you really need to not argue and such....after stating boundaries... It's not that you clam up about all boundaries. An example using your own description: With the TV and your son "We stated the rules for when he can watch TV. Unless he did something else that you feel he needs to be disciplined for that you are not telling me about, I want to be consistent parents as we both agreed this was best." Then he argues and says "You two are teaming up on me." To which you say "Sorry you feel that way. That's not the intent. It's about our parenting and not you personally honey."...Then say no more.
I found that this practice is necessary because the only other answer is to detach by proximity (meaning separate more). If you just try to ignore mistreatment, manipulations, and emotional abuse, you will form resentments that will steal your serenity too.
Detachment with love means to let them have their consequences and to keep handing them their own disease back because, while it might not feel loving to see them suffer, it is loving to let them own their own disease, their own consequences and to have the dignity to make their own choices and see how they impact themselves and others. Making no statements of boundaries just to avoid arguments is not loving because it doesn't "hand the disease back" to them. He may still storm off and be angry when you don't enable. But at least you don't accept it's your fault and your behavior and words match that.
At that point, detachment with love will develop more, because them consistently trying to blame you will stop working as well and you are not as resentful because you aren't accepting the blame and mistreatment nearly as much if at all.
P.S. - I know this is easier said than done. It will take practice and nobody is perfect. Also, the A's actions and reactions may just become unacceptable to you and you will then have to make your own choices about that.
I agree with Grateful, if you are going to go to a counselor, go to an addictions counselor. The on we go to we found from my AW's inpatient center that we both liked. She doesn't let either of us get away with any BS, and she speaks AA and Al Anon-ese.
I used to do a lot of the things you are doing. "oops, sorry to have woken you dropping that stainless steel bowl on the bathroom floor. Oh, look at the time, you need to be getting ready for work anyway!" Yeah, kinda passively aggressively making sure that she did some things. I am mister passive/aggressive by nature, so it all came natural to me.
After a while I found that nothing improved when I did those things, and I had enough to worry about with all the other things she had left for me to do, taking care of our 13 yo son, cooking, etc. I really didn't need a late-forties wife to babysit as well. So I stopped. I didn't undress her when she went to bed, let her wake up with her clothes so she would know that she had binged until she passed out the night before. I stopped looking for bottles. Son and I watched hours of TV together with her passed out next to us. Nobody asked us to watch chick flicks lol. Finally, it all resulted in 2 DUIs. She seems to have found her bottom after her 2nd DUI after having spent 10 days in jail without bail since it was a parole violation. Spent 8 of the 10 days on suicide watch since she was feeling sorry for herself on the phone and the jailers heard her say she would rather be dead. An suicide watch in our small county jail means you stay in the drunk tank, lights on all night, no bed to speak of, other drunks come and go but you stay. When he got the chance to get out and go to her 2 rehab, she jumped at it, gave up, and just asked them what should she do, and she did it. She is not almost 6 months sober, and going pretty strong.
So the process was long, drawn out, expensive, and painful, but I now have a sober wife, who I now love more than I ever thought possible. And I have Al Anon, which I have found is a secret life improvement program that disguises as a means of people crying to each other about their drunk relatives. It has helped me just be self aware, and helped me rid myself of much of that passive/aggressiveness I mentioned above. not completely, but will I take the "progress not perfection" over the lack of change I have been able to make for 30 years.
When I read your post I see an alcoholic who is trying to control you, control your son and control your whole house. In my case I "allowed it" out of respect for him and the fact that he was "man of the house". It was the way I was raised and with a normal person it works much better.....
When it got out of hand, as the alcoholism got worse, I became more angry and resentful without even knowing I was angry and resentful. This was all in the days before I even knew AlAnon existed. I was pretty set in my ways and my bad habits. Listen to all the people at your meetings and on MIP and take encouragement from them.
You are fighting a disease that you can't win against. And your hubby is choosing the disease over you and the family. So sad. He has to want to change and now he doesn't want to. Listen to the suggestions and do the actions that you are capable of doing and understanding now and save the rest for in a little while. It will become easier and easier.
Sunrise,
It truly feels as though you are taking the thoughts out of my own mind. I feel the same way you do about the detaching with love thing. I find myself being very passive aggressive and giving into the arguments because "I am right." I struggle with sitting back and waiting on that rock bottom or consequences. Because those consequences involve me and my children.
I hope you find strength and wisdom with your situation. Take care of you and your son.