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Ridiculous optimism is something I have been accused of many times. And I suppose it really has been excessive; when other people have been throwing their hands in the air and screaming "the sky is falling" I've always been the one saying "all right, don't get your knickers in a twist. It'll be OK". And sometimes the sky really was falling, and I let myself sit in harms way because I didn't want to abandon my belief that everything would work out just fine. Or maybe I just liked being the calm voice of reason. Maybe I thought it made me likeable. It probably did. Who wouldn't want to keep someone around who would take abuse, suffer other people's consequences for them and then say "don't worry about it. Everything is going to be fine, you'll see".
But I still don't see it as a defect. I just lacked the tools to protect myself properly before. In fact as I spend more and more of my time thinking in an "alanon" kind of way, and learn to like and appreciate myself (funny how I was always able to cheerfully see the good in everyone else yet despise myself so deeply before), the more I can appreciate that part of my nature. It's a good trait. It allows me to feel happy and positive when things are uncomfortable or not going exactly as planned, because there's always something good to focus on, something to laugh at and something to look forward to. It works better for me now that I have a sense of self-preservation to go along with it.
So, I look at my life and I have to be honest, it's been pretty consistently painful up until now. I wanted to believe that things would turn out well and love would conquer all but instead I've spent most of my time being hurt and rejected and used because I had absolutely no inkling that there was any other way to be. I hated me and hid behind mean, damaged people so that I wouldn't have to deal with myself (and in that sense I used them right back). But to my way of thinking, I got the painful stuff out of the way early, and now I have a whole new way of being and it's awesome and I get to really enjoy it. Like when i was a kid I would always eat the vegetables first so I could enjoy the yummy part of the dinner, when I was a teenager I would always do my homework on week-nights so I could enjoy the weekend, even now I like to get absolutely every possible household chore done in the afternoon/evening so that I can relax at night and take it easy in the morning. So the super-optimist in me thinks that maybe, I felt all of the misery early in life so that I could get to alanon and learn to enjoy peace and serenity and LIKING myself in my twilight years, lol.
So anyway, the point is that to my way of thinking, I have been given a gift. Not everyone gets to enjoy these tools or this program and to me, it's pretty special and something to be very grateful for. So maybe I am lucky and I made the choices I did to lead me to this point in my life. I've thought for a while now that maybe the reason I chose a man who is so sick, so damaged and so outrageously mean to me (with basically no benefits whatsoever) because I needed to push myself to breaking point and start getting well.
Now I look at my daughter, and I can never erase or excuse the fact that I have made her live with my awful relationship with this guy. I think back on the fact that I recovered from my failed marriage, rented a place alone and started out a new life with her and then INVITED this guy into our lives and our home and played out all of that misery with him right in front of her. But then again, I can't erase my relationship with her father either, and that was pretty terrible too. If I over-think this too much I'll think her right out of existence lol. My dad was awful and I like to despise him and think poorly of my mother for having married him but I wouldn't be here if she wasn't who she was and he wasn't who he was...I came into being because my 16 year old mother wanted to escape her abusive father and went out and found a duplicate messed up addict to make a baby with so that she could start a life and family that she could control. (Those are her words, not inventory-taking on my behalf). So, you know. Children don't always come into the world under perfect circumstances or into loving or nurturing homes. I'd like to stop beating myself up over my daughter's life because she's an awesome person and an absolute gift to the world and if I regret all of the choices I made, she wouldn't even exist. Plus beating myself up doesn't make me a better mother. Once again, I'm not looking to excuse myself, just to look for the positives because I think that's a better direction to look in.
So anyway, I like to think that although she's had a lot of negative experiences, as I grow and learn I'm able to teach her amazing tools that other kids don't get to experience. And now that she's willing to go to alateen, maybe in some ways she gets to start out her life with some brilliant survival tools and a capacity for self determination that will equip her for a really amazing life, and maybe that is a blessing HP has given her. She already has such a great outlook.
So what lead me to think about this is the fact that I was discussing my alanon learnings with my friend (who works with abused women) and she is so full of wisdom, and she told me that when she was a kid, her mother had an alcoholic boyfriend and went to alanon and made her go to the meetings with her. And she said, she was so glad that I wasn't making my child go with me because when she was a kid, she had to go to alanon meetings and they were SO boring and she doesn't see why she had to go, since her mother was the one with the alcoholic boyfriend and there was no reason for her to be there because she hadn't done anything "wrong". Now this lady is the most grounded, self-sufficient and emotionally stable person I know. And she had to go to alanon meetings when she was a kid and she says it was unfair and a negative experience.
So, I wonder?
-- Edited by Melly1248 on Saturday 12th of April 2014 10:37:05 AM
Good that in your daughter's case, she is making the decision to go and you aren't forcing her to do it. It's also good that no matter what got you to Al-Anon, you have seen the gift that it is for you and you're glad you are in the program and seeing the difference it makes. Although I'm sorry about what it took to get you to Al-Anon and MIP, I'm glad you're here.
Sorry Mel but you gotta get your girl out of the drama she is living with. She will believe that living with a guy laying on the floor playing on the computer is ok. It is NOT. I had to get my sons out of the situation with my xah. It was the best thing I ever did, for them and me. What are you waiting for? Sorry for being blunt but your daughter is living with an alcoholic, abusive man and watching her mother. My youngest son met my ABF and said "but mom, he isn't really that nice to you?". He is 17 now - 4 years old when I divorced my exAH. Started dating after the boys were older and not hanging with mom anymore. 17 and 23 now! I made it. I'm working the program as best I can. I got rid of the ABF. I couldn't stand watching AGAIN. Miss him though (sick).
-- Edited by cmb on Friday 11th of April 2014 05:54:25 PM
I imagine most people in alanon have exposed their kids to a dysfunctional home. Living with alcoholism affects the whole family. I felt so much useless guilt over this. Bringing my kids up with an alcoholic father meant I bent over backwards to try and make up for it, I was crazier and probably made things much worse. This has been my biggest gift from alanon, being able to forgive myself and know that I did the best with what I had at the time. This has allowed me to make amends through my new way of thinking and my new attitude, im healthier and im passing this on. Im leading by a good example and it is rubbing off on them. Im sharing the tools and thats about the best I can do. Im not sure what your point is regarding your friend, is she was forced to go anywhere as a child of course this would be negative.x
Dear Melly, what a powerful post! As I read it I could feel that it was like an in-depth fourth and fifth step. Your honesty and clarity are amazing.
I agree that positive thinking and not going into drama and negative chaos is an asset. I do believe that I too refused to see the reality of what was going on and instead had what is referred to as"Magical Thinking". I do believe that is a defect because I refused to truly see reality and accept what was going on so that I could deal with it. I believe that all of our defects are merely assets that have gone too far in the opposite direction. Being able to see reality, accepting the truth of what is actually going on, and then trusting HP for the guidance and inspiration to live is what works for me today.. I sense you doing the same.
Yes, living with an alcoholic and growing up with the disease of alcoholism, as I did and as you and your daughter are doing, is a part of life that many people experience. Many are not as fortunate in finding Al-Anon and Alateen and being able to incorporate these concepts and principles so that they can improve their lives.Many others have difficulties that they must cope with in their childhood such as mental illness, severe physical illness, loss of parents, etc. no one's childhood is perfect as we need to develop coping tools as we grow. I too am grateful that I found Al-Anon, but not grateful for the disease of alcoholism in my life.
That your counselor hated Al-Anon, s a child is understandable. She was a child and forced to attend and did not understand what was going on. That is the reason that Alateen was developed and is so helpful to the children of alcoholics.
You and your daughter are growing in leaps and bounds and I'm glad that Al-Anon and Alateen are available to you.
I relate to your extensive optimism and consider mine a defect, as well. When I worked for a large international company and completed the Myers Briggs test (for character strengths and weaknesses), my score came out as the most optimistic of thousands of employees. My daughter still laughs about this and says that the company must attract thousands of horribly negative people. I do think that my optimism comes from thinking I had to make things work out for myself growing up- and the fashion that my parents either leaned on me too heavily or completely rejected and dismissed me. I am working on being mindful to be true to myself so I don't automatically dismiss my own feelings.
You are fortunate for your counselor friend. Her experience may not be yours or your daughters'. Young children are frequently brought to my face-to-face meeting for the hour and the moms leave better off for having attended; this is not something that can be measured. It's possible that your friend may not have had as much stability growing up as she had if her mom didn't drag her along. I did not have Alanon when my daughter was younger, but there were many times that I had to keep her similarly occupied- it required thought and planning on how she could keep herself entertained.
Just so you know, my daughter used to complain about me taking her on long walks like it was the worst thing in the world. Her complaints ended in her last year of grade school when she consistently came in first in track and came home all smiles.
I'm wondering if it would be an option to bring your daughter to one of her friend's houses while you attend a meeting.
melly you know I really mean it when I say,"Everything will be ok no matter what." My life has been so full of trauma,deaths, loss, ugh. But in the long run, everything did and does work out. Of course I still hurt from losing most all my loved ones. But I have a home, my animals, my hp.
I see you growing and progressing. Your daughter is wise.
You will leave or have him leave when you are ready to. Or you will have him stay and you and daughter will work the program, or you will let it slide to be the same. Its up to you.
We are here to catch ya, share what we have gone through, support you.
I loved your share, you got your thinken cap on!
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((((Melly))))...that's an awful wide awake post and I'm feeling the optimism now is better because you're wider awake with experience rather than just trying life out like a new bike or car. You reminded me that as a kid I was raised with stories or fairy tales where great things always happen "just because" and the other kids on the next block get the wicked witch. NOT!! I had to learn that actually much of who I was and what would happen was created generations before I made the stage. When I inventoried my family I started to understand much more. Al-Anon was about me learning how to live with another family; the Al-Anon Family Groups who were nothing like the family I was raised with especially when they were stepping and traditioning and more. Funny how the program actually gave my Mom the son she wanted and couldn't help bring about. I hated the idea of being "....doomed to repeat it..." if I changed nothing. I hated that and it frightened me deeply.
I had a alcoholism counselor in the VA recovery center who didn't like the Al-Anon Family Groups program for what ever reasons he justified his dislike. He mouthed a reason which I knew didn't fit with me and was not a concern for me and then told him "Get over it. The program is working for me and that is why I will continue with it"....end of story. Couple of times we switched roles and he became the patient and I the counselor LOL...I never charged him.
You're doing very good and I'm grateful to be able to share it with you. ((((hugs))))
Today, I do not believe that I know better than God. I am grateful for my life - all of it. If it hadn't happened exactly as He laid it out perfectly for me, the greater whole would not have prospered. If I get to break the cycle and my whole life was a learning experience just so my children could be the first of many generations of dysfunction to start in a new and better direction... it was worth it, and I would do it all again a million times. I do not for a second think that I know better than HP anymore. I am grateful for all of it, and for your post. Taking your program to a deeper level - bravo - living the spiritual life is unexplainable... but you do it well :)
* my point re my friend was that even though she says she hated it, she's a really happy,strong and well-adjusted person and I wonder if sitting in meetings as a kid might have rubbed off a little on her even if she didn't realise it. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just musing over the positive effects I see in myself and others and feeling glad that my girl will get to experience that too. There wasn't anything negative intended, just perhaps a poor choice of words.
Aww Melly I loved this share, I love the way you write about the befores and afters, I think life is one huge challenge and it's all about making the best of the difficulties, if I had of come with an instruction book years ago I know I would of not read it and still tried and done it MY WAY, I still cringe at the the time it has took me to swallow my pride and look back at the mistakes I have made along the way, and still today as a mature women lol new challenges and problems are coming at me from all sides, I am only different now because I wouldn't couldn't realise I had a faulty instruction book, I know and accept I cannot change alot of the middle stuff but either side of that I can soften blows, I can approach stuff gently and with dignity and a lot better understanding, I can't solve problems alone I need examples good examples, may I reccomend a brilliant instruction book? Courage to change! wowza xxxx
Great insights and responses. Your insights and sharing of the light and dark within is melting away the shame. Many insights are coming quickly for you and it is so wonderful you have such a wise friend.
For me, I have to be mindful of when I am thinking too much and acting too little and then sometimes I need to sit quietly in that space in between. Nice work, Melly.