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These are my options
1) do nothing
2) go to mediation - which he is not going to admit to anything
3) gather evidence - which I don't know what to gather
Actually what worked for me during times like this was the slogan "Let go and Let God" "Don't React" and patience. During those times I hung on to program really tight. Sitting with people who could help me grow was soooo important and nice. Eventually the settle it time came and that was okay for me. More good and great things happened later down the road also and using the program made that so nice also. Hang in there and keep coming back (((((hugs)))))
It is just frustrating. I want to be a good mom and just focus on that. If I try to be a good mom and ask for what is in my son's best interest, I get physically threatened or verbally attacked so I phone the police. They tell you the effects of children witnessing violence and you are expected to do something about it, however each agency just keeps you in circles. I am at a loss right now. So I have to expect that my son will grow up repeating the cycle? Hmmm "freedom"? Are we truly free?
I was not rich, didn't really have a lot of financial options. But as I shared, when it came to my kids, was ready to do what I had to to protect them. The world is NOT pretty. Sometimes I know I HAD to take action. I was ready to move away, far away to protect them. For me it was a matter of let go and have faith in HP. When I was ready to leave, it all fell into place. However it ended up I did not have to.
As HP as my witness, even though I was shy and introverted,when it came to my babies and animals, just push me and I am gone. deb
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Does he have a record? I Mean criminal? DUI? If it's recent that is enough. I guess I got lucky .. when mine was hospitalized here I have an OP and the police called ME for a well check and I have the officers name. I started documenting everything. I wound up with paperwork and so on .. your arty can make him take an alcohol assessment and you can be present. This is not an inexpensive road to go. If he has your child and he's in an altered state of mind ball the police. Again that's something to Pray about it.. there are consequences to every action positive and negative. I'm a fighter and a scrapper when it comes to the kids. My hp had a way of everything working out. I just did my part. Hugs
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Most police stations have something called a history printout. THey can print out a list of all the times they were sent to your house for a service call. YOu can call the records section of your police department for such a list.
I think this is the type of evidence the lawyer wants, and probably dates of hospital stays and rehabs and such.
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No record ever and you should seen what he has done and who he has been involved with. It blows my mind. Police are called. Charges get dropped. Not enough evidence. Witness doesn't show up.
I just know if I spit in that direction (like he did I would end up in jail).
My ESH for you again you have to know what mountain you are willing to die on. How it wound up working for me is give him enough rope and he will hang himself. This is what they do. They can't help except be horribly self destructive and all I can do is keep my head down and stay out of the collateral damage as much as possible by putting the focus on me. You will have to get a parenting agreement to outline boundaries .. in those I would include (and it is the wording that counts this is how the judge will interpret what happens) .. how are pick ups and drop offs going to go? If someone is late how does that effect the visitation. My children are older so I got a little more lee way .. I chose to avoid talking about the alcohol, I like to have an occasional glass of wine .. there is no way HIS behavior was going to control me in terms of IF I want to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or with friends .. no talk of alcohol .. related incidents and stuck to the safety of the kids .. the other thing that was a BIG deal to me is picking up .. HE is responsible for pick ups and drop offs .. he is ONLY allowed to pick up on Fridays unless I release him to do it on a different day. He pretty much signed away all of his parenting responsibilities and I'm ok with that .. he can't do them anyway and I'm not waiting on him to make decisions that I need a faster answer on and he refuses to participate. MY atty then took that agreement and added her words to it. When I received it she told me there is NO way he's going to sign this and guess what .. he got another CM (criminal) charge and guess what at that point he signed the agreement my new atty (from the same office) was dumbfounded and looked at me and said .. I've never seen a parenting agreement that is worded like this .. I think it impressed him even. Basically my children 9,14 have the right to end visitation when they want as well as do they even participate. That translates to if they get there and after an hour they decide to come home .. they go home. If they decide they don't want to go .. they don't go. If they feel unsafe and he's drunk .. they come home. That is HUGE in the state I'm in because someone told me that the youngest child even if they are 13 is still required to go unless it's in the parenting agreement I was horrified .. and grateful I didn't know that at the time. I also got sole custody. He is going to screw up .. it is par for the course in terms of addiction it just may take a few weeks, months maybe a year or two .. he will screw up .. he won't show to visitations .. he will get in trouble with the law .. he may be oily right now that his "errors in judgment" slide off of him .. at some point it sticks .. just let him do the work that way. When he started in with serious crazy talk .. I made him text me .. then I would keep pictures of the texts. States atty looked at me and says .. Umm .. WTH is he doing? I said I don't know you are the atty .. she looked at me and was horrified pretty much said .. ohhh ... he's in a whole lot of trouble. I had an EOP that basically was a 2 week OP extended out for 8 months .. the judge was floored and I managed to do that myself .. it helped he violated it .. it helped that his behavior absolutely was credited to that issue. I have a no contact in the parenting agreement and I'm being very careful with that one .. we are able to talk about the kids .. he is still refusing to talk to me about visitation and it's bit him in the butt and my daughter has very strong sense of self and boundaries .. what is hers, what is mine and what is her dad's .. I can only hope that this will transfer to my son at some point. He's having some challenges with it. I just encourage you to continue to do the best you can right now. Put your child's safety first and try to be as factual as possible. I had 3 different deputies tell me he was not ok and didn't need to be around the kids. I had my GP Dr tell me that he shouldn't be around the kids. There are things that boggle that of my atty's mind and literally they can't believe that I know the things I do .. lol. It is what it is .. there is a lot to be said about observing and taking mental notes and then documenting things. One day at a time .. that's all any of us have so keep doing what you are doing it really is going to work out .. it may be slower than you like .. it will work out. Hugs S :)
-- Edited by SerenityRUS on Tuesday 1st of April 2014 09:01:59 AM
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Serenity maybe I could share with you off line the forum what I have documented. I really like the boundaries you have put into place. I have texts. I think I am having the confusion of what constitutes evidence because I had one lawyer who would not touch it, but this new one says get it to me.
I spoke to someone today who actually understood what and how to document. He said document the positive and negative interactions. The pattern will come out. This is how you become more credible. He said ask your lawyer specifically what he needs to get supervised visits. He said it is frustrating when the police know things and will not share. He said they can be subpoenaed. He said keep documenting even when it is going well. So it is patience (trust my HP), action (documenting and reporting violence) and let go
I'm sorry I wasn't available Trust .. I can look here and see posts however I can only see private messages when I'm on my laptop .. do drop a line I will get back to you as quickly as possible. YES .. it is important to show the whole story. What I have done when it comes to texting is take snapshots of the texts showing dates and time. When my stbax violated the op I took a picture of the text and gave it to the district attorney. There is no arguing over what was said the fact he violated the op and there is a pattern. I have learned words and how to say them. Be aware there are sharks, snakes and foxes when it comes to attorneys. Sharks will tell you what you want to hear and pursue it aggressively .. sort of .. it costs a LOT of money to find out They can't do what they said it their story changes. Snakes take your money until the last dime is gone and THEN start on the case. It's delay delay delay and more delay .. kind of like an alcoholic. A Fox is what you want don't get me wrong they will take your money .. they do what is best for you and will tell you their limitations. Remember something else .. they are ALL in bed with each other. So based upon the situation they don't want to "damage" their relationship with the other attorney's in town. I personally suffer no fools and I have called out my attorney in private and told them keep treating me like I'm stupid and they will wind up holding a very pissed off mama badger. It's interesting because even my stbaxs attorney is starting to respect the fact I'm like a bad penny .. I just don't go away. He's also come to realize my stbax is very much NOT ok. So I have come out well because his attorney realizes I have a lot more information that's he's aware of AND his client is a liar thief cheat and a drunk. I'm just hoping for resolve at the end of the month in May. This has been going on for 2 years. So it's a long slow process. Hugs ..
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