The material presented
here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method
to exchange
information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal
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I visited this site a few minutes ago and read some posts that really related to me. I finally feel a connection to al-anon due to this site. Let me explain. I met my now husband and didn't know he was an alcoholic. We got engaged and I still didn't know. Not until a few weeks before the wedding. I was ready to walk away, he was ready to get sober. That was 4 years ago and he hasn't gone back to the bottle, not once. He is committed to AA, which I'm happy for him. He asked me to go to Al-Anon and it was HORRIBLE! I went 4 times and left each time crying. The people there would tell me I cannot trust my husband and they talked about how their Alcoholic did nothing but ruin their lives (BUT they were taking their own inventory, of course).
I'm not ready to go to face to face meetings but I do want someone to talk to. Phone, email, etc. I need support. I need guidance. I need someone to walk through this with me because I'm husband is always at AA or talking to his AA buddies about how I'm not spiritually fit and our marriage problems. I feel alone.
Is anyone out there willing to be an online / phone sponsor?
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I can hear your disappointment about meetings and am sorry that you have had these experiences. There is plenty of alanon literature that helps the new comer understand the program and how it works. "Sponsorship What is it all About" and "How Alanon Works "to name few.
Since we are all recovering from living with the disease of alcoholism the requirement of same sex sponsors makes sense. We are so very vulnerable when we arrive (evidenced by our sadness and crying) even if this is a spiritual program it ii is essential that same sex sponsors be supported
Before alanon I felt as I was different from everyone and that what worked for them could not work for me .In alanon meetings I learned that I really was not unique and could identify with most of what was shared, that I was indeed human and what worked for others could work for me--- If I kept an open mind. It was uncomfortable at first because I was not at all use to focusing on myself and my needs. If I wanted what the members had then I had to be willing to do what they do
I could not expect someone to sponsor me if I was not willing to do my part
-- Edited by hotrod on Friday 1st of November 2013 10:01:25 AM
Welcome seeking~ I would say keep going to different meetings~ When I first started, I must have went through four sponsors, they all tried to tell me what to do regarding my relationship. They meant well for me, but Alanon is to heal controlling behaviors and codependency. Try to remember this program takes a lot of introspection and we are all trying to heal these behaviors and most of use have slips once and a while, trying to control others. Progress not perfection, the program works, but we are human, not one of us is perfect. One of the meetings I went to did not support my religion, I was arrogant I thought I could heal myself and I dropped out of Alanon for about six months. Then I prayed one morning for God to show me what I needed to know, a lady showed up to my work that I knew, I told her my problem and she told me about Alanon...I knew it was my sign. She even brought me a book, there are Angels on earth. I would say if you don't consider a meeting to be healthy for you, listen to your intuition. Six months ago, I was going to a local meeting I had been going to for two years. A man there approached me and told me I would never get better if I stayed with my SO. I never went back to that meeting. I stop going to meetings if I feel like sh*t afterwards. I go to meetings that lift me up, support me, and that I can in turn do the same for the newcomers. The meetings should build your self worth, give you tools to use in your relationship, study the steps occasionally, and above all build your relationship with your higher power. You have a lot of support right here on the board as well. Blessings on your journey:)
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HI and welcome! I am not well enough or know enough to be a sponsor BUT I for sure know what you are going through!!! I did not know mine was either, he never told me until I found out the hard way. So I can relate! All I can say, is stay here! There are so many great people on this site. I have heard good an bad about F2F meeting, I went to one and it was not a good thing at all, same thing, one lady asked me why I stayed? I have yet to find another. BUT I get a lot form here and tons of self help and reading!
You do what you feel is right and if he is getting help, that is GREAT!!!!!!! He is further ahead than most (including my A) Take care I am hear to share my story but I can't give advise :) I don't think anyone should really.
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I understand completely where you are coming from. When my AH got sober the first time, I went to al-anon meetings and left them depressed and discouraged. So I actually went to a lot of AA meetings that were open meetings, and I got to understand alcoholism through that. But, I didn't get help/support for me. I didn't think I needed it like my AH also. I was missing out on some important stuff. Thus, when after 14 years of sobriety, he relapsed, things were bad. I thought that maybe after all these years, he could drink, in moderation. I believed in him, but I was in such denial that I didn't realize how progressive the disease of alcoholism is. And it progressed. Boy did it. And I wish I had had the tools that I am now getting from Al-anon. We are still in a rocky stage. He only has a few months of sobriety. And I have not found a face to face meeting that I feel comfortable in. Like you, I want to be positive and stay married. The negativity was hard to handle. The online meetings here are very good. There is support, but most important, there is the experience, strength, and hope that is present. It has helped me learn, to understand my actions and "reactions" to an alcoholic, how to detach with love, and how to take care of me. I am looking and want a sponsor. I do not have one yet. My life is extremely busy, due to my AH's newly sober status, which means he gets to meetings more than I do at the moment, as we have a 9 year old daughter at home that needs attention. I have reached out to some people online here, and my work has kept me from online quite a bit as well, but that has helped. My suggestion would be to keep trying different meetings, and to keep coming to the online meetings. And posting here. You will learn, and most importantly, get the support you need for you. And it does happen! It takes time and an open mind. Keep posting, reading posts, and it will help. It really does. I'm glad you posted. Try to join some meetings.
Glad you found this forum, and, yes, there is much support. Speaking from my experience, sponsorship is difficult unless a sponsee is attending regular meetings. Others may have had a different experience. Keep coming back here and we will offer you ESH. (((hugs)))
In alanon the focus is on recovery for the family members and in AA the focus is on the alcoholic, Since most of my time was spent focused on the alcoholic an how to fix him ,I found AA meetings more comfortable. Alanon meetings were very hard because they forced me to look at myself and I did not even know how to start doing that.
I found the purpose of Alanon face to face meetings is so that I could break the isolation caused by living with the disease of alcoholism , feel the support of those who understood as few others can and most importantly learn how to focus on MY needs and recovery . I too cried at my first meetings because I finally felt safe enough,understood enough to connect with my inner sadness and despair. Feeling these feelings were my first step to recovering my true self and honoring my wants and needs
II agree with Paula sponsorship is a reciprocal relationship. It is a connection of equals who are attempting to recover from the devastating affects of this disease Both participants should be attending meetings regularly
I am very interested to read this post. May I say that Al Anon is a spiritual, but NOT religious, group for self help. Each person defines their own "Higher Power". I have read in the Al Anon literature that specific religious beliefs are not discussed in Al Anon. Regarding sponsorship..a male member of a group I was attending kept encouraging me and another "newie" woman to get a sponsor.Finally, I asked him to be my sponsor. He laughed and said "Oh no! Only same gender people can be sponsor/sponsee". Well, thanks for that news. When was I supposed to find that out? It seems to be treated like some dark secret that we have to make a fool of ourselves and get laughed at to find out. Then he said he would be glad to be my "friend", and gave me his phone number. I phoned 4 times and left messages. My calls were not returned.
There were only 2 experienced female members in the group. One of them spoke English as her second language, and, honestly, I could not understand a word she was saying..even when she was reading and I was following along in the book! Scratch that one.
The other one.. She was looking for a place to board her dog, and I had good contact for her. She gave me her phone number. She was close in age to me. To test her out, I phoned one day when I could not get to meeting. I left a message saying I really was sorry to miss the meeting because I really need the support. She never bothered to call me back. At the next meeting she just said "you don't have to call because you're going to be absent" . I said "Gee, maybe we could have lunch after the meeting one day(noon meeting)". She did that sideways eye slide, almost started tap dancing, and said "oh, sure". But you should have seen her run out of every meeting after that and dive into her car.
I have no intention of humiliating myself again trying to find a sponsor. Why is this sponsorship process not more in the open? I mean what is the deal?
Thank you Luvlife! I feel the same way! Every time I went to Al-Anon meetings not a single person said a word to me, it was the most uncomfortable thing for me!
And then my AH seems to imply that I won't be good enough until I start going to Al-Anon, get a sponsor, and work the steps. I have tried to go and have really put my all into it but I feel like its brought me down. I want to have a positive experience with it but can't seem to find that great experience others seem to have had.
I want to trust my husband's leadership in my life but it just seems... like you said... humiliating. So the only way I can get a sponsor is to go to the meetings that make me cry? :(
Well..one thing I can say about this message board: I am , frankly, finding a lot more real honesty here than I did in those face to face meetings!! Glad you're on here too...prayers and love to you!
I am offering to keep trying the same meetings or different meetings (at least 6) and then make a choice if this is the route you want for this stage in your life. Before the program could work on me, I needed to be in a desperate, receptive, I will do anything for my sanity place. I had to trust that the program worked because I saw evidence in the meetings and my way was no longer working for me. I detached from the impact my meeting attendance might have on my husband, my family, my marriage, and anyone else in the equation. I was sick and I needed help...even when I did not like the people in the room, I sat, listened, silenced that voice in my head that was saying: I wish she would shut up, why does she put up with that, she isn't very healthy, I hope she doesn't want to hug me or talk to me, blah blah blah. I was arrogant and needed to feel humiliated so I would SURRENDER MY WILL and that is when the program started to work and I worked the program. Pride kept me from getting well and it still wants to be heard sometimes. What a wild ride! Glad you are here.
A dear friend of mine can only do on line and the boards.. she cannot drive she has MS. The few she was able to attend (F2F) were not good experiences for her. And I too get A LOT and I mean A LOT out of this!!!! I am almost afraid if I do find a F2F it will bring me down again. Na, I will keep trying. I may just do an AA open and or go with my A onetime and see what it is like. There are many options for all of us that is the good news
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Thank you, pp, hotrod and iwantthingsback. I'm not ready to give up yet. PP - I hear you about the voices in your head. I know I struggle with pride and arrogance, thinking I'm better than the people in those rooms. I hate that about myself and want to get rid of it! I have found a different meeting that I'll give a shot. We'll see what happens.
Don't hate it, just notice it, accept it and ask you HP to see the wisdom in the pride. Usually, there is something we are protecting. For me, it was scary to be vulnerable.
No problem~ that's how this program works~ you learn from one another~ we all learn from one another.. I almost forgot to tell you, you can always come to this board for experience, strength, and hope and you can private message anyone on here for esh or just to talk. We all grow together in Alanon :)
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We have several meetings in our area - probably about 8 or so (which is a lot for a town in Wisconsin). There were 2 that are solution based. For a long time I didn't understand what Alanon was about because I was going to the wrong meetings. My husband was also going to meetings and together we found the 2 that worked for us - we rotated because we typically could not or would not go together. Sometimes we do now if that's all that can work in our busy schedule. The point is - to keep trying. All meetings are NOT the same. I was judging the entire program based on what I thought were bad meetings.
The program works, and has stood the test of time for that reason.
Today - I go to any meeting because my attitude has changed around it even more. I don't see "bad" meetings anymore. Most of the time I can focus on the readings and be there for what I can give instead of what I can get. I take was I can use, and leave the rest for others who can use it without wasting time judging everyone. I have stopped robbing myself of precious recovery time with ill thoughts of others, and constant worry about OTHERS. I keep it about me. That took learning and time - and guess where I learned it? Yup - here.
We're all in a different place. It's okay to be where ever we are on our journey. Not everyone is to the point of being able to welcome others, or over their own insecurities of meeting new people, or approaching others. Give yourself the time you deserve to make decision, and reserve the right to change your mind or be wrong. You're worth health and happiness, so don't give up on you. Keep coming back :)
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