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meaning what I say .


Dear Maresie
What a powerful insightful message!!!.  Your wisdom, humility,  honesty  and courage are simply awesome.  You indeed are a Miracle in Progress and I am so pleased to be sharing this journey with you.


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So glad to hear some of your story, learnings and leanings, Maresie. 

I want to add something here about this compulsive need to be in a relationship or to want attention 24/7 from our significant others.  I recently listened to some hit tunes from past years from Broadway musicals.  One of them really got my attention.  The woman is singing about how her whole life was "him" and how wonderful her life is because of "him."  When I was in high school, magazines were devoted to young girls, teens and women doing things to "please their man," "dressing for their man," "encouraging their man," and on and on the articles ran.  I was struck by how differently I view all that now and how little awareness I had of just how codependent all that music and all those articles and movies and girlfriend talks at slumber parties programmed me and my friends to be.  Underneath all that "some enchanted evening" stuff was a person who had dreams and ambitions beyond what the programming put into my head.  Fortunately, it took divorce to wake me up to the deeper part of me. 

I get excited when I see women like you wake up from that programming to listen to the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say.  Thanks for giving me a reason to smile with your share. 

 



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Lately two people on my horizon have been triggering me tremendously.  I am sure these people just show up in my life to teach me various lessons because they certainly just pop up outta nowhere all the time.  But oh how much I would like to make it all about "them" and not me.  When I lived or rather should say endured with the ex A I did of course believe it was all "him".  Now I am at a point that no matter what people do in my life there is a choice in the response.  I may not like or really be able to accept what certain people do but I can (when I am in my right mind) choose my response to them.  I absolutely have a choice no matter how much I think and obsess that I don't. 

What is triggering for me about these two women is their extreme need for attention within their relationships. I absolutely believed in being needed, wanted and sustained 24/7 just like they do (I would not be bothered by them otherwise).  Of course, needless to say I was one of those people who needed and wanted the ex A to show me some kind of a love compulsively.  I also had my whole life revolving around him and what he did rather than my own goals.  Being in a relationship was such a core need for me.  I felt when I wasn't in a relationship that I wasn't valuable on some level. I had to have someone to hold onto on some level because I felt so abandoned by so many people from my family.  I really wanted to get to a "we" really fast.  That is even before I got to the first date.  Before I even considered the now ex A as a boyfriend there was no consideration about who is this person we were a "we".  In the "we" mode I didn't get to look at him because I was so obsessed with the notion of being a "we".   I never saw him in the rampage to get to the "we" then I bemoaned the fact he was an alcoholic/addict. 

I have dated some people in the time since I left the ex A.  I am no longer that person who rushes to the "we". Al anon stuck with me through thick and thin and believe me before al anon, therapy, compulsive talking for hours on end with all my friends, agony, fear and rage, didn't prompt me to change me from needing a "we" to simply being an "I".  These days I don't "want" (that is crave and obsess) a relationship or "need" (like the blood flowing in our veins)  a relationship I think it might be quite nice to have one but if my needs are not being met I am able to let go of them very very swiftly. I was never able to let go before without considerable agony (and I do mean that I suffered tremendously to the point of being suicidal and really very very depressed) because I could not and would not let go of the whole concept of "we".  I was ready to did for the "we" I really was. 

Needless to say with these two women there is no concept they will ever be an "I".  One of them has another boyfriend set up before she is finished with the first one.  Please bear with me I am not judging these women or labeling them as dysfunctional.  I most definitely went to any and all of my ex boyfriends when I felt lonely and desperate to get away from an "I" issue.  I absolutely felt that any and all of my problems would be solved by a relationship.  In fact one of these women, when she heard I had certain problems suggested just that "boyfriend" end of problem!!!  She was pretty astonished when I didn't agree wholeheartedly with her.  Like me, this woman believes fervently she knows the answer to everyones problems. I most definitely did have a prescription for everyone and I didn't hesitate to deliver them.   Of course needless to say I no longer allow her to give me such suggestions.  A boyfriend is not the end of my problems these days but I definitely believed he was in the past.   That's why I settled for the alcoholic/addict boyfriends I had. 

I also think that even towards the end of my relationship with the ex A I had this romantic notion that "love" would solve everything.   Needless to say I also believed no matter what the ex A did (and he did it all) that I would love him regardless. There were times when I insisted on the "love" message when really I didn't love him at all at that particular time I was furious with him. But since I was convinced that I would "love" him I didn't get to the point of actually saying what did love mean to me (suicide) or was there a concept of self love within what I wanted to give.  Oh needless tos ay the ex A loved the whole idea that I loved him so desperately I was the answer to his prayers.  I never really got to examine what "love" was.  My idea of love wasn't something tenable, sustainable or even possible.  I lived in a complete fantasy and I came close to drowning in that fantasy. 

I certainly don't have all the answers for relationships and I wish these two women well on their "love quests". I certainly won't be suggesting anything to them.  These days I am no longer the person who knows just what others need to do.  I know and concentrate on my own life because that's the one I am in charge of.  

 

Maresie.

 

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Definitely good insight. Thanks for sharing. :)

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I'm working so hard on taking back charge in my life. It's a bad night for me and I'm so tired, thanks for your words.

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People really do show up to mirror our shadows for us...such an interesting way we were designed to learn about us.  I love it and you so nicely put it all into your post.  Perhaps your previous ways of being showed up in these women to show you your growth and maturity; that is grace.



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Thank you for this post!  I too am in the process of waking up from these fantasies.  I have had a strong grip on them for years, so I am trying to be gentle with the fact that it is taking me some time to come to see them for what they are.  I was sold on these fantasies as well as a child and young adult.  I am still amazed at the tenacity with which I cling to the belief that someone (a man in particular) is going to save me from myself.  Looking back at the past I can see where a) my low opinion (to put it mildly) of myself led me to idolize others, and then b) culture and society (thank you Disney, etc.) had me looking out externally for that fix.  I am only, now, years later, in working the program seeing that it is true that all that I have been seeking lies within me.  It is a comfort and somewhat of a grieving experience getting this at a heart level.  Thank you for your beautifully spoken post.



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OMG....I was reading Grateful's shares and oh yea, the woman is singing the tune and its all about pleasing her man, standing by her man, wanting nothing in life but her man's approval,  on and on ad nauseum

well now things are different...We are seeing how Coda we were taught in music, growing up especially w/ Alkie parents or getting married to an alkie

it was all about HIS needs HIS this or that and never the woman never me......I lived by those tunes...was brought up that way.....My bio sire told me to marry a rich man b/c I was too stupid to take care of myself...

and I bought it.....

Now, I see how coda I was....my needs and wants were invalidated on a daily basis,...first iI had to take care of the evil monster....then married 2 alkies and I had to take care of and try and please them.....Again...my needs, wants, emotions , were all discounted....I stuffed my emotions down so far I had to in recovery actually wait for them to "thaw" b4 I coudl feel them....they had freezer burn on them from being stuffed down in the freezer for so long

Now??? I listen to those tunes, an they don't influence me anymore....if it is a good dance tune for my exercising regime, fine..I listen b/c I can "filter" out the coda messages they teach....

I am my own person, I take care of me,  I put ME first and then Share IF I CAN with others...SAFE others....I am picky whom I let in my life...I have "upped" the price of admission to my heart

I took me out of the bargain basement and moved me up to the place where the glass cases are and i put me in there with the rest of the JEWELS....

Sure..I would like a nice partner, but EQUALITY or no deal......sober or don't apply....abusers need not apply.... if a guy wants me now???  he better be my friend....respect himself and me and other creatures....he better be responsible, honest, good of heart, moral,  if not in a program LIVE like he is practicing the steps and slogans.........sounds like I need to "shop"  in alanon or acoa doesn't it????   LOL...

I know one thing......I am NEVER gonna get involved w/a drinker or substance abuser.....even one in recovery would scare me b/c of the trauma done to me by drinking and or using.....some alkies get into program and they stay sober 20 years and they have a great chance of making it....even the ones, 10 years and up....awesome chance of making it b/c they KNOW the score.....however I am gun shy....if he were to slip??? and they CAN....I would trigger big time....

I have friends in AA for 20 and more years....love them to death....respect their self work they do daily.....I cheer them on when they tell me something they learned in a meet

I find the most honest/ open/ willing and the most hungry for the steps are the ones who are most apt to make it......they want to get at the root of the problem,   why they drank...what their triggers are, etc....

oh yea, I remember those songs of the long suffering woman giving up it all to please or stand by her man......

well to me, its a two way street....we BOTH have needs, dreams, wants, issues, fears, strengths.....

I heard a saying..........paraphrasing but it says that woman was made from the rib of man.....

not from his head to top him

not from his foot to be stepped on

but by his side to be equal

under his arm to be protected by him

by his heart to be loved by him.....

Nice share, Maresie



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Great Post OrchidLover,

I agree with you and have always thought that way, but to put it into words.... you did a good job

THANK YOU...oldergal

 



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