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Where is the Serenity?


Thank You Tom.

 

I am trying to work on me. I go to meetings, ride my bike, walk, i am just restless today. I shouldn't have spoken with him. He said some hurtful things and that is what is taking up space in my mind and I shouldn't allow it to. You are right and I also know I can't focus on the future or the what if's or why's...it sure is hard not to at times. I am a planner. I need plan A, B, C, D in case one of them falls through I am safe. I never experienced alcoholics until I married one. I learned that in order to survive I had to make a plan sometimes 3 or 4 or more of them. Yes you can only live one day at a time, but I also have to be practical in that I have to be able to survive.

 

If he can be sober for 7 years prior to marriage, why can't he be sober 1 of the 5 years of this marriage. Then my mind goes to "it's me" which i know is not true. What changed? What is the trigger? I may never know. I've accepted that.

 

You are right I have gone crazy. No normal, sane person would subject themselves to this much pain and agony for what? A promise to change, but no change? it makes the life I life look so foolish. And yes, I feel crazy. It's like post traumatic stress syndrome. I wake up at 2 and 4 am every morning because that's when I usually find him drunk. I can't wait to sleep though the night. I get phy sick, upset stomach 6 times a day, throwing up, I have never phy been ill from pain I am feeling but I guess when your body is so stressed out it is going to let you know. Panic attacks. So yees, I feel the crazy, but I wasn't this way 7 years ago. I feel like I am going crazy right now because I can't control how I am feeling. Like I let him derail me today and I can't get my serenity back. I absolutely can't stand it. I want to get in my car and drive it until it runs out of gas, get in a hotel, sleep for 3 days as far away from here as possible and then I think I might get the serenity back.

 

I know if I change myself, it will be without him. I never had to deal with any of this before marriage and I certainly don't have to now. That is a scary thing to type. I love this person more than anything. He is my best friend and soul mate, but I am not getting my emotional needs met anymore. When it is good it is really good. I have it better than most people who are married to AH and I feel bad for even writing that. but he will be drunk one day adn sober up the next and be sober for long periods of time. Never angry, always remorseful. It has gotten worse, adn I fear could still get worse.  BUT, He is not willing to change. I have changed. The biggest and hardest step is done I moved 30 minutes away 2 months ago. I never ever thought I would be strong enough to do that. EVER. So baby steps. I know I can't change him, he has to do it. I know I don't want to control it, which is why I moved out and gave him all the control. However, the proof is in the pudding. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I moved out, the ball is in his court and he chooses to do nothing. I am not going to wait around being married to someone, not speaking with them but twice a month, while they don't have to work on themselves or change. it's not fair to him, it's not fair to me. All I can do is protect myself and remove myself from that situation which I have done. If he wants to fix our marriage that is going to require therapy which I am afraid he is not willing to do the work. That is going to end our marriage. I can just feel it. But, we will see.

I love the courage to change book, I love reading blogs, and I am new to posting here and I hope that will also help me. I just want my serenity back, I don't like that I STILL give him that control over me. I am tired of being made to feel worthless, out of control, and having EVERYTHING held over my head. Not anymore. I am taking it back. I am getting stronger. I am just terrified because this is all new to me and I have been dealing with it for years. THe easy choice is to fix it and go back to him, I know what that life consists of. The hard choice is the unknown path. Will I be ok? Is this the right choice? etc. Starting over. ugh. the fear of starting over and being alone. I just can't imagine my life without him in it. sick isn't it. that's how much I love this person. I am seeing a psycologist and that has given me some much needed validation. I just wish he would see one and then we would also see one together. I don't know what the right answer is. I am just tired of feeling so all alone in all of this. So  so so sad that I am losing my husband, best friend. It feel like a death. I know I am grieving. The waves of grief come and go but sometimes they pound on you so hard you can't get up. Today is one of those days. No one said it would be easy, but no one said it would be this hard.  The pain is excruciating somedays, it hurts to even breathe. Then I can go weeks of complete total numbness and no pain at all. I keep in my mind that maybe the big picture is of making a new life has to outweigh this impossible one. It has to get better right?

Because I shared my feelings with him today I got told I was dramatic, I put him in a bad place, and I have been "basking" in my pain and want to bring him into it. That really hurt my feelings that he would manipulate my pain and project it onto me. once again it's my fault right? I can't even share how I feel without it being my fault or me holding him hostage or me making him feel bad. Yet there is NEVER any accountability for his actions. How does he think being married to someone who lies to you for 5 years feels? Who think alcohol is more important then you, than anything. I can't even start a family. Does he not think his actions have played a part in where we are today or is he really just that oblivious. He says he is doing what he is supposed to be, but I can't tell I see no humility in him today. Not the person I married. :(

 

Thank you for letting me vent. I appreciate all your responses, and I know I am not alone. I started going to AA and al anon meetings when we began dating so I would have an idea of what I was getting into. so total about 6.5 years.



-- Edited by Blanche on Friday 26th of July 2013 02:41:39 PM



-- Edited by Blanche on Friday 26th of July 2013 02:46:52 PM

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I can't seem to find it. Yesterday was the date I moved out two months ago from my husband. I have never felt so low. I have never felt so sad. We talk maybe twice a month. He says he wants to fix it, and then does nothing to fix it. I told him to make a counseling appointment. He said in a couple months. I said no, it needs to happen soon. He then said three weeks. This is the end of the 3 week time period. No appointment has been made. I feel that he doesn't want to save the marriage. He doesn't want to go to counseling. I had set us up for counseling back in November. He blames and resents me for it. Told me the reason we are where we are today is because of that counseling. Sick. He is so sick and doesn't even know it. He is a therapist himself so of course he knows everything and he is "doing what he is supposed to be doing". I am foolish to continue to wait when he has given up. All of our wedding pictures have been taken down. I can't even pull myself together to take ours down. It breaks my heart. I know I can only work on me and fix myself. I have been so strong for 3 weeks, but today I am weak. Today I feel: worthless, horrible person, sad, weak, gripped with fear of the unknown, fear of being alone, fear of making it on solely my income, peer pressure to "stick it out", failure, ashamed, foolish, low self esteem, no self worth, exhausted from his behavior, no trust from his broken promises, confused (does he want to fix it or not), blaming myself for failing at this marriage, miserable, feel like I am or we are abandoning our relationship/marriage, resentment, etc. , , I know most if not all of these things are not true. Its crazy how the AH can control your brain and you begin to believe this things. I think it's easier to believe them about yourself when the person you love the most is telling you some of that, add your own self doubt, and you have a recipe for a spiral downward into a sad dark place. A place of lies that you believe about your self. I am so tired of hear "you got married for a reason" etc. no one has had to walk one mile in these shoes to even understand what 5 years of this marriage has been like. I have picked him up every time supported him loved him. At my weakest darkest moment he has vanished. I thought moving out would bring light to the situation. Nope, it's like he never cared. As if we were never married. I am devastated. I feel like Im just being strung along and he is enjoying my suffering. When I tell him how I feel he tells me I m telling him how he feels and I am holding him hostage in text messages and phone calls. REALLY? We can't talk about our feelings anymore. It's crazy; I know I am not the crazy one. I am so sad that I can't even find an ounce of serenity. He is obviously not ready. I'm just going to back off and leave him alone. I need to set a date though, if no counseling by a certain time frame I need to go ahead and file. I know life shouldn't be this hard. I know I can be happy and not miserable. Maybe we just don't need to be together. It is just so sad because he REALLY is a wonderful person/man/provider/husband most of the time. I'm so conflicted. Maybe I am holding on to something that isn't there anymore. I just feel that if he really loved me and really wanted to fix it, he would set up, there would be action. Instead there is nothing. He doesn't have to change. He doesn't have to tell people I moved out. He doesn't have to go to a therapist with me.  He can just keep living like he has. I haven't heard from one person on his family. That is probably the most hurtful. His mom was like my mom. No one has asked if I am even ok. If this is fixed, I don't see how I could ever go to Thanksgiving or Christmas. I have never felt more unloved by people I thought were my family. I just don't know what to do. I don't want to regret leaving him, but I don't want to continue living in a marriage this way. We live apart don't speak but twice a month, and never see eachother. Don't talk about our issues, and pretend as if nothing is wrong. I am so broken inside. I can feel my heart shattering into a million pieces. It feels like all my bones breaking in my body at once. I never want to be leagally bound to another human being. Where is the serenity. How can I get some today. Reading isn't helping, meetings aren't helping, nothing is helping. I am too sad I think. I want to run as fast as I can and never look back, then do one of those eternal sunshine erasers to my memory. It would be so much easier that way.



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Hi Blanche... welcome to MIP, and really glad you're here...

Yes, that's quite a lot to digest, but I think I can safely say (as can countless others on here) "uh huh, I recognize that"....

A couple of thoughts for your consideration....

1. Serenity comes when we accept that we are powerless to change our A, and choose instead to change ourselves

2. Your focus is on the A, AND on the "why" questions....  My wise old sponsor used to tell me to "focus on the whats, and not the whys - the whys will eat you up"

3. For what it's worth, many A's have told me that the reason they kept drinking was that they were "more scared of sobriety than they were of continuing drinking"

4. Your comment re: "I am not the crazy one", was one that I recited often....  My wise old sponsor responded to this by saying "who says you're not crazy", as in - living around active alcoholism DOES take it's toll on us, and - left untreated - can definitely make US crazy.

Choosing recovery - for YOU - is the way to go.  Al-Anon, reading great books, posting here - all make up a good part of that....

Take care

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Dear Blanche: I felt that way for a year or so after I divorced my husband. Getting out of bed was a chore. If not for my children, it wouldn't have happened at all. Lots of stored up pain that needed to be released and lots of financial hardship to go with it. I did all I could to help myself and when I had reached what I thought was my ending point, somebody that I'd worked with a few years prior that I really didn't like much and she didn't like me much either - just showed up out of the blue on a city street where I was walking away from a painful phone call with somebody I cared about who couldn't help me either. The gal took one look at me and said, "Gosh! You look awful. Here, take this. It changed my life."  She handed me a brochure to something that really did change my life and hounded me for weeks to get me to it. There was no telling her "no."   She was insistent, tenacious, maddening. I was polite on the outside and hated her on the inside for pushing me to do something I didn't think I wanted to do. This was way before caller ID, so there wasn't a call of hers I could avoid and no excuse she'd accept.

We ended up best friends. The invitation was to something that helped me deal with grief. My life changed dramatically. And truth for me is this:   When I got to the end of my rope and no human being (I was seeing a counselor, too) - including myself - could do anything to help me - HP stepped in and took over in ways that hindsight reveal to me only HP could do.

You have received much Al-Anon E/S/H in these posts. Please try to remember that these days will pass - what you're thinking and feeling won't last - and your HP knows exactly what you need and how to help you get it. (((B)))



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dear newbie

the serenity, I am reading on your post is misplaced...I am seeing that you want the serenity to come from "reconcilliation" deeds from HIM

Ok..You broke up b/c relationship as dysfucntional,  I didn't see that he is in recovery....so the serenity has to come from WITHIN

even in a good relationship,  our serenity comes from WITHIN us by working our program, doing the steps on going life proposition, working the meetings,  keeping our fellowship w/other alanoners working their program, focusing on ourselves and our inventory and changing us

I cannot change another, but I am workiing on changing me b/c I know I CAN change me....serenity is a state of MIND..not a sum total of your relationships or your job, or whatever....Serenity is peace of mind WITHIN...that all knowing feeling that  I am gonna be ok b/c I am working my program, taking care of me and changing the things about me w/my Higher Power within me, to have a better thought pattern

My THOUGHTS are what rob me of my serenity...my failure to take care of me robs me of my serenity....my expecting things another cannot give or do for me robs me of my serenity

what brings it back???  by giving up the notion I can  control...change...fix ......correct....modify...."save"  another human being

I can only keep ME straight....

this happens when we work our program

I am emotionally sober one day at a time and if i work my program I can keep my stinking thinking in check....

please keep coming back....and I wold, if I were you, get some books on the steps, worksheets are available on line, eve, and I wold get into meetings, get a sponsor to guide me and I would work each aspect of this program and reclaim and restore ME...

Good luck...take care



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smile Hi Blanche,

 

there are a lot of formulas and slogans that lead to serenity. But where I learned the most was through those who had it. By going to meetings and picking it up.

my ESH,

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I sense you are very very sad :( - I feel you and I've been there where you are, not too long ago actually.

I would exercise everyday, read, be grateful that my children had food a roof and are healthy, yet I couldn't understand my depression. I felt suicidal and cried everyday, often. Especially because I grew up believing in only "one marriage", but sometimes it does not turn out that way unfortunately.....aside from that you are not alone in this and the picture is much bigger.

But I needed to get myself out of it for my own sake, to not let the ugly disease of alcoholism and addiction win. Feeling that way due to that is not worth it.

Al-anon teaches us to take care of ourselves and although I tried the holistic way, I decided to finally go see a psychologist.

Have you been going to Al-anon and meetings long? Please take care of you, beautiful. I see the pain in your post, but there surely is hope and you can do so much with your life.....you are a feeling, thriving, person and not just someone's wife. Keep coming back. Much love to you.


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Dear Tom,  U said  "2. Your focus is on the A, AND on the "why" questions....  My wise old sponsor used to tell me to "focus on the whats, and not the whys - the whys will eat you up""

 

 

OMG, I needed to see that....i was always on the "why did he do?? why did she say??? why why why??? instead of  "WHAT IT IS"  that WHAT word prompts me to the solution....they WHY word keeps me stuck in victim mode.............ohhhh thank you for showing 



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hey Blanche

It will happen,..if this program could improve a mess like me it can help anyone....I had had soo much of "life" was done...tired...depressed.....I had had it...like an old draft mare, just worked into the ground

then I drug me here and discovered that I was doing a LOT of stuff that was unhealthy, unrealistic, unreasonble, etc and life slowly got better b/c I was working my program

and the bad stuff, if I couldn't do anything about it??? walk away....cry, feel...but then walk away if there is nothing I can do, 

sometimes my only option is to toss it off me and disengage from it

 

peace..and please keep coming back...so sorry u r feeling bad, but in program it WILL get better



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:) "what" questions definitely helps with finding solutions.
thank you, I'll definitely need to remember that.

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Thank you so much for you input. I know I am not alone. I know it will get better.

 

Time go roll the windows down & sing on my drive home. :)



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Blanche,

Been there, the X A and I split after 26 years of marriage. He would have gone on forever the way things were.
but I suffered and so did my health.

I suffered even more after the split. It was like a withdrawal from a substance that wasnt good for me. The substance of dysfunction and madness that cycle that keeps you spinning.

You are at the beginning of change and yes its going to hurt like hell, but the storms don't last forever. We are always in flux, like everything else in this world, even your husband.

We never know the outcome of events. When My X and I split, we were able to remain friends and I was able to live my life
sanely and I did reach serenity. It took time even with the help of Alanon.

Life can get better than you even planned, there is suffering, there is joy and that will always be, suffering and joy are facts of life.
There is joy in our life when we work on our own self identity. There are no accidents on this planet. We all have to drink from the medicine of life. This is how we extract the poison. There is never a quick fix to happiness.

Putting blame on anybody doesnt help and trying to change the alcoholic is futile. Thru this experience with the Alcoholic husband, though you may not see it now, is all for your growth. Gratefulness is the word. You will see.

Stay with your program, do it dilligently even if you don't feel it. Serenity is not a certificate handed out at the end of a course of study. Its your life , live it, feel it. Suffer what there is to suffer enjoy what there is to enjoy. Then one day you will find joy most of the time and be grateful in it.

Hugs, Bettina

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I'm a therapist and an alcoholic (though sober now). Your post reminds me of an ugly side of myself. I would use psychobabble and intellectualization in arguments to "win" and I did it without empathy. Treat yourself kindly Blanche. I just know that an active alcoholic therapist is probably about the worst when it comes to head games and making it all your fault using bs jargon and seriously buying his own lies. This would be a good time for serious alanon attendance and support so you are less vulnerable to being manipulated by a sick drunk who has an even greater ability to play psychic head games than your average alcoholic. When I was actively drinking I resisted therapy because I thought I knew better than them and resisted AA for peetty much the same reasons. He is probably going to need a really messy bottom and multiple losses to come out of his denial. That is about his alcoholism and not you even though it is still currently messing up the marriage.

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DavidG wrote:

smile Hi Blanche,

 

there are a lot of formulas and slogans that lead to serenity. But where I learned the most was through those who had it. By going to meetings and picking it up.

my ESH,

DavidG.


oh yea, that makes sense, David.....do what the winners are doing, LOL...I try to see the ones who are growing...what are they doing that I am not?? I know program is individual, but you can get real good ideas, observing the ones who do have serenity.......nice way of putting it.......



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