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Good evening everyone. Im new hereI really dont know where to startso here I go. My ex-husband, Robert, is a crack addict. It was a HUGE shock to everyone who knew him, including me. We dated for 5 and a half years (Oct 2002 to March 2008), lived together for four and a half (Sept 2003 to March 2008), before we got married (March 2008). I didnt grow up around drugs, I didnt have friends who did drugs, not did I myself ever do drugs. When we fist stated dating, he told me that he smoked pot occasionally. I even asked him if he ever tried anything harder, he told me no. I believed him, I trusted him, I was in love with him. We got married in March 2008 and that Sept he took off to hang out with some friends. The next morning, around 5 am, he called me freaking out, the car had been stolen. But then he and some friends got home and the story changed, the car was stolen, or it may have just been borrowedturns out his buddy took off with it , got into an accident and totaled it. I didnt realize it, but it was just the beginning of the end, I caught a glimpse of the monster that I was married too. Well, in April 2009, we learned we were pregnant, HUGE shock. We never planned on having kids. I was 32  he was almost 48. He was so excited, but with in a month, he started disappearing, blowing money to the point that by the time our son was born in Dec 2009, we were flat broke.. I figured Bob was just getting the pot smoking out of his system before the baby was born. Boy, was I wrong. Matt was born on a Tues evening, Bob called me Friday morning, 6 am, needing his boss number so he could call in sick. He admitted he had spent the night partying. I looked at Matt after I got off the phone with Bob and said I guess its just you and me, babe I promised to protect him from all the bad ****. We went home the next day.to Bob. The worse was yet to come. Bob continued to disappear and continued to blow all our money and then take out payday loans when he ran out of money. If he was home, hed spent all day in bed or on the couch, glaring at his new son and yelling at me because Matt was making too much noise. A few weeks later, New Years eve, he disappeared, my sister picked me and Matt up on her way to our parents. I covered for him. The next morning, Bob picke me up and told me he had had an emotional breakdown, he couldnt handle the demands of parenthood, Matt was too needy, too fragile. Its all you till hes 18 months old Bob told me. I should have left him or even started to question him, at least find out why this sweet, caring man who helped everyone turned into an evil emotionally abusive ******d. I stayed quiet til April when I got his mom and brother involved, his mom started calling him every day and got just as controlling of him as he was getting with me. Things were getting worse, and finally in mid May I packed up mine and Matts stuff and we moved in with my parents.  I made the decision to keep Matt in Bobs life, I wanted him to know his father, I wanted him to know where he came from. Then at the end of June, while I was helping him pack up the apartment (he couldnt afford to keep living there on his own), I found a crack pipe while he was packing up the truck. I took a picture of it and a couple days later showed it to some of my co-workers who all have some sort of experience with drugs. They all told me it was a crack pipe. My only reaction was Can you smoke pot out of it? Sure but that would be stupid. One of the guys started to ask me questions that described a typical crack addict. I was shocked, even more shocked to learn that my husband was a binge user who was able to his addiction from everyone including our former roommate who had grown up around drugs and had  done drugs, herself. Everyone kept telling me to keep Bob away from Matt, but I didnt listen. After a month of living with his dealer and in his car, he moved in with his mom and brother. His mom, a religious former nurse, vowed to rid him of this nasty ugly evil disease. She and Steve (Bobs brother) tried to force him into rehab, them the 3 agreed to Bob going to NA meetings. I went to the first two meetings starting in Sept 2010. In Oct, a friend of ours passed away and Bob relapsed, well, technically he messed up and didnt come home, he revealed hed gotten high at leaset once a week since he started NA meetings, but this time he was done. Bobs mother decided she would drive him to the meetings. Well, in May 2011, Steve called me, Bob never come home the night before. I got a hold of Bob and he admitted he relapsed. His mom kicked him out and he once again lived in his car til he found a place in June. It was a room in a building owned by a landlord who does not allow children on the premises. Its in a neighborhood that all my co-workers and friends who knew the area,  as a great area to get drugs. A drug addict in recovery moving into this area, sure, hes trying to stay clean. Then at the end of July, Bobs old beat up car died, and he didnt have the money to get it fixed or even fix it up himself. He had to buy a bicycle or take public transportation, 2 years later, thats what hes still doing. Within a week he quit going to NA, because the only meetings now he would be able to go to were ones with black guys (Bobs white of Hispanic descent, Im just white) who bitched about their parole officers and baby mamas, he was fine not going, he exercised. In Sept we started marriage counseling so I could finally convince him I was done with our marriage. In Oct, my sister, me and Matt got our own place at the same time I gave him rules for coming over, Bob disappeared for a couple weeks. We ran into each other and he told me that he had thought I didnt want him in Matts life, I told him only if he was using, he told me he was clean. Visits were off and on til Matts birthday in Dec and Bob disappeared only to reappear in April, 20 lbs thinner, claiming he was clean and didnt have a lot of money to buy food. He also blamed the weather (it was the winter after the blizzard, we had  warm weather) and he didnt call because hed rather see Matt.  I took a couple pictured of Bob with Matt and showed them to my go too people, who all agreed he was now a full blown addict. At the same time I had just hired my divorce lawyer and in June (2012) Bob was finally served, he had gained the weight back. Between June and Sept, when our divorce was final, visits where almost every Sunday for a couple hours.  Bob never showed up to court, so I got sole custody Bob gets supervised visits, we dont have a set schedule, its based around our work schedules, vacations, illnesses and the weather. A few days after the divorce was final, Bob called me angry that I was forcing him to pay child support, how was he supposed to support himself? He told me I was using Matt against him for him breaking me heart. He even threatened to ****  up his brother if I ever spoke to Steve or their mom ever again. Steven confirmed it was true. Still I continued to keep Bob in Matts life. Bob disappeared again after Matts 3rd birthday (we moved back in with my parents), but he texted almost daily, finally in Feb 2013 I texted him back why dont u call and ask Matt how he ishe called angry, told me was being rude and didnt care about anyone but myself, then agreed to call when his work schedule allowed it. Well, since May Bob has been back in Matts life, on and off. He still lives in the drug neighborhood, claiming hes clean. Not going to NA meetings, having no sponsor.. He claims hes not using because he has a lot more to lose now, he works a bus driver in a small charter company, that does drug testing (piss only) only when a driver has an accident. I have learned a lot about addiction in the past two plus years, I know an addict has to get clean and stay clean for themselves, not for their beautiful 3 and a half year old son. But I still have that attitude. Hy head says hes clean but my heart is torn, he looks ok, but   Im even starting to think that the decision I made to keep Bob in Matts life is the wrong decision, that it will be the worst decision I could ever make.

 

My question is: is it possible for a recovering crack addict to stay clean while living in a neighborhood known for drugs, without going to NA meetings (face to face, online, phone), without any family/friend support (his mom and Steve have all but disowned him, rarely speaking to him, they say that Bobs addiction is in Gods hands now), no sponsor and never having gone to rehab?

 

And do I continue to keep Bob in Matts life?

 



-- Edited by hotrod on Thursday 18th of July 2013 09:36:29 PM



-- Edited by canadianguy on Friday 19th of July 2013 12:18:57 PM

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Turtlebear,

Sorry for all the chaos!!

I know one thing for sure, while married to the A, he had an affair with a woman, she got pregnant with twins.
She tried to make him be a Father to their twins. It wasnt the childrens fantasy they were too young. It was her's.
Eventually she gave up, he wanted nothing to do with the twins or her. He did send support money, because I made him and I controlled the checking account. Eventually, I got wind that she blamed another hispanic man for fathering her kids and she started sending back the checks. And, i made sure there was DNA testing and THE X A WAS THE FATHER, Anyway the point is, You cannot force him to be a Father, heck, he cant even take care of himself and he has never been a husband to you.

May I add, Insanity also will overtake him if he does not get help and stop his using. You are powerless over him, but not over yourself. That's how the  x a got this woman pregnant, he was insane and didnt know where he was most of the time.

Make Alanon your GO TO people place. Alanon knows about the disease of addiction and helps and comforts the spouses and family and friends of these poor suffering addicts. We suffer right along with them But there is no need of that. Find a face to face meeting in your area and start using the tools of Alanon. It will change your life.

Best to you
Bettina



-- Edited by Bettina on Thursday 18th of July 2013 10:30:38 PM



-- Edited by Bettina on Thursday 18th of July 2013 10:32:08 PM

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Hello. Welcome to MIP, TurtleBear. I can only answer your question found in the second to the last paragraph. Based on my experience with addicts - NO. They cannot stay clean without going to NA meetings or AA meetings or any other formal program to help people get into and stay in recovery.

As far as Bob being in Matt's life? Well, that is a decision only you could answer. Would I allow my child to be alone with a crack addict who didn't want to pay support for him? No.

With that said, he is Matt's father and he is an addict. This is a disease that is fatal without treatment. Three outcomes only: Jail, hospitals or death for those who won't quit and work a program. He could be off crack and using meth because he can't afford crack. All chemicals affect the brain which affects everything else. The man you married is not the man you thought he was. He is very, very sick. We can become very sick ourselves because this disease is cunning, powerful and baffling. We recommend face to face meetings at Al-Anon in your area. MIP offers on-line meetings. The message board here can help you, too.

This is a hard and troubling road for you. We know. We've been there. We understand. Please find an Al-Anon group in your own area - for your sake and for your son's sake, too. This disease affects us all. Yet, there is hope in Al-Anon for you.

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Hi
Thank you for answering.
I actually have never left Matt alone with his father, and I don't intend too, visits are supervised (by me) always in the park that always seems to be crowed.
I have actually looked into face to face meetings but none actually fit my schedule (crappy excuse, but its legit), online meetings where then suggested.
The more I learn about this disease the less I want Bob in Matt's life, I've heard of addicts staying clean forever, that's what I hope with Bob, but the longer he stays in that neighborhood and the longer he goes without help, that hope starts to fade.

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My husband never did let go of drugs - even after rehab. He died shortly after smoking a joint.

As far as you not leaving the child alone with his Dad, good for you. I didn't know either way but I did want to share with you my own thoughts on what I'd do - especially given the nature of this drug culture we live in now and the ways the chemicals affect brains.

There's always hope for the addict, but they'll always be an addict even with recovery. Hard stuff for us to deal with. Lots of support as you work to make the changes you want to see happen for you and for your son. That's not easy either, but it sure is better than getting sucked in over and over again by the disease's manipulations. I know it has been that way for me.

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It's possible for them to stay clean anywhere WITH THE PROGRAM....without it - highly doubtful but anything's possible. My feedback is that...just "highly doubtful" that he would stay sober in that environment and under those circumstances.

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Hi Turtle

First of all  a BIG hug to you and little Matt....I am soo sorry to read your post and hear of your situation....

My answer is a big "NO"  crack or meth or any "hard drug" especially is hard enough if they are in program ea. day on meets, sponsor work, steps, the works...they are still high risk of relapse...the odds are stacked against them reclaiming their lives...Hate to sound so negative but I have big time experience with this on a niece whom I raised up and a little brother who is also drinking w/his drug use...

drug addiction, to me is worse, even then alcohol

I have a 50 yr. old niece who struggles with this addiction, I have seen her be clean 4 a year and then slip up b/c she is not on her program...

This addiction is maybe at best  25% of them suceed into clean prosperous lives....My niece is soo smart and pretty, but the drugs have eaten up her teeth, her soft beauty is gone, she has a "hardness" to her that I think is due to permanent damage due to using

wold I have her in my grand children's lives??? No!!!  I would not trust her to NOT use in their presence and these users can get nasty and violent....My niece b4 she got on this crap was a sweet, gentle, lovable kid

this crap turned her into something I can't even recognize anymore....she sporadically goes to NA meets but it just does not last...the urge to use , anything can trigger it and its a bitch to beat

I won't have an alkie or narkie in my life EVER again....the pain and cost they have caused me, well I don't hate them anymore, I even forgive them, but are they welcome in my life?? Close???  around my kids and grandkids??? HELL no!!!

If someone stuck a gun to my head and said....I  had to be pals with one of them, I would choose the Alkie...I think they have a better shot at working their program and being less apt to slip, but he would have to be in program for at least 5 years sober

A narkie???  they sucess rate is so bad for them....I guess it is the worst of the worst when it comes to addiction...I know my niece really in her heart wants a life, but the drugs have her by the throat...

I heard someone call cocaine and meth and heroin and all that crap "the devil's brew" and I really see merit in that statement....

My brother, youngest is  a druggie AND alkie....he literally has burned holes in his brain from hard drug use...he has dementia and he is under California state  501 (or something like that)  status for messing up so much being on drugs, hitting police cars w/his car, once he drove though a mall and wiped out a building front,   he got arrested over and over so the STATE put him on this 501 or 51 status, where THE STATE controlls him on his drugs where they keep him medicated to lessen his usage  (I can't explain this exactly)  but he is monitored by the state...on disability and they keep him medicated on stuff to control his dementia and his bi-polar and other mental conditions caused by extensive drugs....anyway,  he STILL finds a way to get "extra"  zanax or uppers of some sort...he does the uppers then the downers  and its a mess......I can't talk w/him much at all...I can't deal with it......the alkie brother, I can deal with him, b/c he drinks at night....keeps it clean during the day so I can talk w/him during the day and we actually have fun...hes a sweet guy...worships me and is so sweet to me....it tears up my heart to know that he is drinking himself to death

HE even said that "P"  Younger bro. is sooo bad b/c of the drug usage that HE, an ALKIE  can't talk w/ "P" but for so long and then he has to get off the phone

He told me "R"  the older one,  he told me   "P" is essentially gone...Like he is gone but the body is still breathing...."R" said this to me  today...I swear....He and i discussed "P" while I was driving to work and here I see your post.....even an alkie has a "problem" with the narkies.....at least R does with P....he said P wants to come see him and he is afraid to even let him near him b/c he said  "i drink bad enough, but I work and at least do something positive  but P is so bad on the drugs, I am scared that I will go off on the deep end re: my booze if he is here"

Its awful....My take is to keep him away  OR  very very supervised visits....Like NEVER let him take the boy alone....my narkie Bro. P is never allowed to take  (he lives in a 1/2 way house ) the vehicles of the church/house out by himself....he is very restricted about his comings and goings..

Now he is under house arrest for like 6 months for his last episode...

that crap kills their brains...noone can tell me it does not...I watched my niece T  go from a doll baby to a monster....I watched my baby brother P  go from this cute, fun little kid to this  freak I can't even talk with for more than 10 minutes....

sooo sorry to sound negative, but drugs really are the worst of the worst  their recovery rate, is only like about 25%.....

Its sooo sad....I feel so badly for them, but hey...I would never let a child of mine around them unless I am sitting right there and child does not go anywhere alone w/them.....its just better to keep him away...why let the kid when older see his dad all scrwed up like that??? what would you tell him?? when he is older and can ask questions?????  I am soo terribly sorry this happened to you and I am glad U R here working on your program and thinking what is best for you and little Matt.....bless his heart....he will never have his daddy the way he deserves b/c  daddy's priority will always be the drugs.....the percentages are just too negative for those kinds of addicts

I know....I have two loved ones in this hell...and I can't do anything about it,  can't help them,  can't cure them,  can't control them, but I can protect me and my kids from them...

SO glad U R here........sorry for the long  post.....It just broke my heart reading your oh so familiar story....."T's"  own daughter has so distanced herself from her druggie mommie...she is now a mom herself and she won't let "T"  alone w/her child.....PLEASE keep coming back...this program will help you huge....you need you for you and that lovely little Boy, Matt....HUGS to both of you



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Turtlebear,

Sorry for all the chaos!!

Anyway the point is, You cannot force him to be a Father, heck, he cant even take care of himself and he has never been a husband to you.

May I add, Insanity also will overtake him if he does not get help and stop his using. You are powerless over him, but not over yourself. That's how the  x a got this woman pregnant, he was insane and didnt know where he was most of the time.

Make Alanon your GO TO people place. Alanon knows about the disease of addiction and helps and comforts the spouses and family and friends of these poor suffering addicts. We suffer right along with them But there is no need of that. Find a face to face meeting in your area and start using the tools of Alanon. It will change your life.

Best to you
Bettina



-- Edited by Bettina on Thursday 18th of July 2013 10:30:38 PM



-- Edited by Bettina on Thursday 18th of July 2013 10:32:08 PM


 ((((Bettina))) U R such a good woman to try and honor those children.....and I so agree with the insanity taking over....They can't be a human to themselves, so how can they to their wives and children...I admire you for what you did re: the little kids......HUGSSSS



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Sooo how exactly do I confront him, do I just call him up and say "Hey, I have a concern, let's, you and me meet up and talk" or should I leave have the conversation on the phone with him or should I just leave it alone...let nature take its course. Matt is never alone with him and WE are never alone with him...I sit back and watch them play. I'm so confused at this point...I've heard so many opinions elsewhere...some tell me to sty away from him, keep MAtt away from him,. others say eventually he'll stop and it shouldn't matter since we're not married...and the few hours we spend together he's not harming anyone and he's being a dad, playing around with MAtt. I showed a few of my original "go to" ppl a picture I took of him over the weekend...the last one they all saw was the one from April 2012 (after a 4 month disappearance) and they all said "Yeah, he's still using, he looks malnourished and gaunt, he looks way too thin" (even though he'd gained at least 20 of the 30 lbs he had lost). I found myself sortof defending im...he barely makes enough to support himself and he rides a bicycle to and from work everyday...they all basically gave me the look like "WTF is wrong with you!" One of my "go to" people makes less than Bob and asked me "Do I look like that....I'm not thin and disguisting looking....I walk to and from work...I grew a pair and go to food banks and since I work in a bar, all of us employees get food for free, and I grocery shop and the Dollar Store".."Rick" is right, broker than Bob he ("Rick") looks and is healthy. M heart and head are battling it our still :(

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