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For me, ILD, it was part of the craziness. Whenever there was an issue or when he was caught in a lie, my exA would tell me I was -- let's see.."Crazy" "overrreacting" "misperceiving" "it didn't happen that way, you're 'xxxx' nuts" etc.
Because I had such a low opinion of myself, part of me wondered if he was right, maybe I was nuts? The only way I could recapture my esteem in this crazy world of the disease was to verify my perceptions by checking and checking and checking.
I should have realized that this was all part of the disease...his and mine. My perceptions and judgments are true. Alcoholics lie and try to pass it off as their partners being nuts...or deflecting their bad behavior in some other way. I just felt so bad and insecure that I felt COMPELLED to verify my perceptions.....
hang in there ILD --
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-- Edited by canadianguy on Thursday 23rd of May 2013 11:04:28 AM
For some stupid codependent reason I feel the 'need to know'. I feel that I have to know everything, good, bad, whatever. And, even when my intuition tells me something that is most likely true, I feel the need to seek out that truth to validate my intuition. What's up with that????
For example: AH tells me that the neighbors reported him for a noise violation because his drum playing was out of control. AH tells me that it was at 8:30 in the evening and he got angry about the neighbors and made statements that basically said: that's their problem, not mine. So, I had a feeling(yes, my intuition) that told me that AH was lying. My neighbors aren't unreasonable people and I seriously doubt they were going to bed at 8:30. Then there was this little part of me that wanted to believe him. I said to myself, "well, I know they do wake up early for work so they must have been in bed." Nope, my intuition kept nagging at me. So, I decided to call the police department. Well, they confirmed that the call came in during the third shift. Definitely not at 8:30 PM.
So, why do I feel the need to know the truth? Why do I try to check up on the lies? I always have a feeling he's lying, even when he's so convincing. He's been making an effort to fix things lately, but I feel that the efforts are futile if he continues to lie. If I can't trust something simple like the example above(which he really had no reason to lie about, since the time doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things), then how can I trust him in our relationship at all? And, that's all part of the struggle too. Having a relationship with someone who doesn't seem capable of the truth. I don't want to go all self-righteous here. I know we all fall short and aren't perfect, but I swear the lying thing really bugs me. So, I think I need the Al Anon reminder: stay on your side of the street!!!
Very quickly I'm finding if I just stay on my side of the street and now my partner doesn't even come to me with his side of the story anymore....and that way I don't need to know and I don't want to know. Same with my son. I had to stop him right in the middle of a story, lie.....who care's, but I kindly told him I really don't want to know and he was butt hurt but got over it. Hopefully my son will get the hint I won't take his side of the stories anymore.
Your AH wants validation from you he's doing good or he's right and he will get it anyway he can. Until he's honest with himself he can't be honest with you.
Just nod, smile and move on. No validation needed for you because what does it bring you? insanity
Let go let God (((( hugs ))))
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This won't answer your questions because I don't have any answers, but one of the things that has helped me with my "need to know" is one of the readings in our Courage to Change book that suggests that what we need to know will come to us with no effort on our part at all.
Sometimes, my need to know comes from a self-righteous motivation on my part to judge the rightness or wrongness of something/someone. When I can figure out what my business is in a situation, I can generally let go of knowing anything i.e. thought like "Why is that guy riding my bumper?" Question: Whose business am I in? His. What is my business? The way I'm driving. What can I change? Getting off the road and away from this driver who is riding my bumper at 40 MPH. It releases me from all kinds of stress to let go of other people's business when I remember to ask myself whose business I am in or catch myself "needing to know." Of course, I sure don't remember to ask it often enough. Old habits die hard.
Like you, I get frustrated with being lied to or intuiting I'm being lied to in relationship to my loved ones. When I can turn it around to whose business am I in when I want my loved one to always tell me the truth and realize I need to tell the truth all the time because I value telling the truth, their honesty or lack of it doesn't matter to me as much. Here, too, I don't remember this often enough, but that wonderful slogan, Progress Not Perfection is a big help.
This is how I grew up with my Mom she was a liar about stupid little things all the time to people around us. She would tell her lie and ask for my validation and growing up as a kid I did. As I got older and questioned my own memory and sanity when she would do it I realized I had to figure out if I was going crazy or realize she had a habit of lying about stupid stuff constantly and I learned to not validate her later in life. She says blah blah blah right, I say not sure and disappear or change the subject. Honestly I don't think she even knows she does it or believes her own stories she has been telling them so long. Either way it is her life and I will never be able to change her. I am dettached with love and do not get involved. My exAH thankfully wasn't a big liar, but was an A with lots of other fun traits. Sending you love and support!
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You have gotten great ESH .. I wanted to add my need to know was strictly my need to be right. When I started focusing on what the A did or didn't do which has been a lot recently (yes insert snarky comment .. lol) .. I can say it made me feel crazy because I doubted myself .. if I really look at what I have done (sometimes still do) I want to be right. I want to be right that yes, he's still lying and no nothing has changed.
Wandering over to his side of the street is not healthy .. there are some things I DO feel I should know based upon the on going court case at the moment. I can see what my motivation .. he has shown me who he is .. why do I doubt him? If he's lying over something crazy like reports about music does it really matter what time it was?
I look at that as a form of bullying by the way .. the lying about the crazy stuff. It is emotionally harmful to tell someone they don't see what they saw .. it is exactly how an A thinks and as a Codie .. I fall right into the trap and prove to him I'm right instead of just knowing my own truth and trusting it.
Hugs P :)
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