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Starting fresh, but handling anger/resentment


So, my AH is really trying hard these days to be a family with us again.  He's been pleasant, there's been no passive aggressive crud thrown my way, he's been communicative, and he's been very helpful and sweet around the house.  We've been going to lunch weekly(past 2 weeks), the first lunch was disastrous and he basically got defensive and pulled away from my questions when we started talking about his broken promises regarding the drinking.  So, this past week I decided to just keep things on the surface.  I talked about the weather, the dog, our son, our schedules, and shared a few stories from the week.

Here's my issue and I think I am starting to clarify it in my head finally: I realized that I probably will never be able to have a conversation with him about my emotions, my deepest thoughts, my fears, my pain, etc because he can't handle it.  He's even said so himself when we were in marriage counseling that he stresses out too much when I share my pain and fear.  I'm truly having difficulty with this because I want more out of a marriage.  I don't want a marriage that is just a surface relationship.  My AH thinks marriage is about sex and provision.  He makes the money, puts a roof over our heads, and he gets sex.  He doesn't seem to understand how to cope with real feelings, deep hurts and pain, and he shuts down whenever anything comes up.  Or, instead of shutting down, he blasts me and yells and the anger gets way out of hand.

So, he wants to start fresh.  I told him I am willing to give it a shot which is where these weekly dates are coming in.  Yet, I find myself angry and resentful towards him quite frequently.  I mean, he's being quite agreeable and I'm sitting there stewing.  Yesterday I was stewing because I found out he got an extra six months tacked on to the interlock device and that he lied to the courts about how it happened.  I still seem to have trouble accepting the fact that he lies TO A JUDGE!!!  God, why is that so hard for me?  I was also frustrated because he told me that the neighbors called the cops on him a few weeks ago because his drum playing was too loud.  That explained why our very nice neighbors all of a sudden weren't waving to me in the cul de sac!  

Basically, he wants to start over right?  He's not drinking, he's going to his psychologist once to twice a week now and is committed to doing so.  So, what's my problem?  Honestly, I think I'm more frustrated with myself than I am with him sometimes.  



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Ugh, what's your problem? Well, it is all the water that went under the bridge, over the dam..... too damn much water.....

I have been married to the same man since 1971.... I guess that makes it 42 years. I know I will never be able to have a conversation with him that will be more than a surface conversation. The deep emotions? I don't trust him enough to talk about it. He is the same as your AH.... he says, "I provide..." That is his role. He has a good pension so he still provides.

You know, I overheard a part of a conversation that he had with one of his buds from AA a few days ago. (I was doing the dishes and he didn't leave the room when he got the call). They talked about superficial stuff. Just catching up on the events of the day. I heard him lying about some stuff.... not big things but simply saying things to leave a false impression. I got done with the dishes and left the room. That was the first time I ever heard his side of a conversation with his buds. I was not impressed with the honesty or depth of it.

I know my marriage will not be any different, ever. So I have lots of other friends that I can talk to. I have a HP that I treat like my best friend. I have AlAnon meetings and service work that gets me out. I have my volunteer stuff and my kids and grandkids. I can let my AH do what he wants to do...... provide. And not go to the hardware store for bread.

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In my experience the anger and resentment I felt was partly due to expecting more than he could give and feeling let down or deprived. You have explained my relationship. That surface, superficial relationship. That was all I would get too. I cant go back to that. Women I know who stayed with their a have very seperate lives. They accept the fact that many of their needs will never be met by their husbands. I think that over time it doesnt matter that much. I dont think all needs are met in any relationship but alcoholics without recovery dont even meet their own needs or take care of themselves never mind anyone else. I have thought that now I have some recovery maybe we could get back together but I actually dont really like his view of life or people. He sucks joy out the air with his negative attitude most of the time. Anyway, you know what he can offer, only you can decide if its enough.



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Is it enough? The big decision that needs to be made and only you can make. In my experience, I was well on my way to deciding that it wasn't enough for me to keep a marriage going when he sank to a new low and became physical with his abuse. The decision was made for me when I found myself becoming afraid to respond to his loudmouthed unfair attacks.  I have to admit there are times when I think if that wouldn't have happened I would probably have stuck it out especially if he were still able to hold a job.  But I would have been staying for the financial security and trying to do the right thing by keeping the family together rather than doing what made me happy. It would have continued to be all about him and walking on eggshells and giving up my dreams to keep us together.  What a selfish way to have to live. I want more than that. If he can't man up and get it together, he can live alone or find someone else to put up with his problems. I think we all just keep trying until it gets better or something inside just screams enough and we just know.



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I can really relate to your post, as it's been a huge issue for me in my marriage with an AH.  I have been reminded that alcoholism isn't the whole problem, by a long shot -- emotional unavailability is a big problem, and I think I've come to understand that that can exist with or without drinking.  I think alcoholism makes someone emotionally unavailable, because their primary relationship is about them and the alcohol.  But even if the drinking stops, it doesn't mean that the alcoholic knows how to be emotionally present in relationships.  My AH works hard to avoid feeling his own emotions (which I think is, in part, what his drinking is about -- dulling those emotions) and he can't handle mine, either. 

I think it's natural and healthy to want to have a marriage in which your partner listens to you, cares how you feel, and supports you.  Your sadness and resentment at not having that is perfectly natural.  I used to feel like my AH didn't really SEE me, or hear me, or remember what I said.  I recognized that it was part of his disease, but it made me feel invisible in my marriage and my home which really whittled away at my sense of myself over time. 

I lived for years trying to be content with just a superficial relationship, trying to be grateful for a home and an income and my daughter having both parents in one house.  But I was increasingly lonely and sad, and yes, resentful too, because in a big way my relationship needs weren't being met.   I thought a lot about what it means to be a partnership, and at some point I realized that I didn't feel like I had one.  The feelings that emerged for me as I realized that the fundamental aspects of marriage weren't present in mine were really scary and upsetting.  It took me months to be able to think about the issue without guilt and fear.

My AH and I separated 3 months ago, and it has become increasingly clear to me that it was the right move for me.  I feel much more peaceful now, and I'm understanding in little and big ways how much I was holding my emotions back and living in a flattened, depressed state because I felt so hopeless in the dynamic with AH.  It has been hard, but it feels right.  MY AH is still drinking, still in denial, and still not acknowledging his feelings -- or mine.  I thought at first that perhaps separating would shock him into some realizations, but it hasn't.  And, of course, that hope that "something will fix him" is part of my end of the disease.  I'm still not sure what will happen, but I'm comfortable that I'm doing the right thing right now.

I hope you can fine a way to find peace and happiness, whether it's with your AH or not.  AlAnon is about learning to focus on yourself and learning how to take care of yourself.  Perhaps reaching out to friends, and members here and/or at meetings, can help you.  It sounds like you are starting to look at what you want in your relationship now that alcohol is out of the picture (not that it ever really is, with an alcoholic, but you know what I mean) and face the relationship you actually have.  I'll keep you in my thoughts... it's hard work.  But I admire you for doing it.

 



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You have ALL stated the same thing in different words and it is exactly where I was 3 years ago. I had resigned myself to the idea of just staying...after all, I knew what to expect. My now ExAH was sober at the time, but so just NOT there...no feeling, no caring for anyone else....the loneliness and despair were so thick you could almost feel it. And, I had decided to stick it out. What changed? When I told my daughter how I was feeling...that I knew I could do it...just grit my teeth, grin and bear it...And she looked at me with her big blue eyes and said, "Mom...when are you going to take control of your life?" Talk about an AHA moment..talk about out of the mouths of babes....

About a month later I left...for me, it was totally the right thing to do. Life is too precious to waste just getting through, and I had done that for far too long. 

I am proud of myself for having the guts to leave (Iwas 58 at the time) and my life today is really really good. I know that I can take care of myself, that life is to be lived, not just tolerated or feared...

Yes, I am sad that my 30 years marriage could not last...but when there is only one person that's really truly  there, it's  not a relationship. 

Ladies...I wish were all sitting here sharing stories, nodding at each other as the shared experiences and emotions are so well understood by those of us who feel the same way. We are a sisterhood....some how ending up where we never thought we would be. The commonality of what we have all lived is what defines our humanity and our connection. I wish you all well on whatever path you choose.....and peace with your choice. 

 

 

 



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I came to realize after I married him that my ex has Asperger's.  I always knew something was "off" about him, but I did that thing of dismissing it: "He just doesn't realize what I want," etc. etc.  I remember him saying, "I don't get this 'emotional intimacy' thing.  What does it mean?  Why would you care?"  (Of course I thought, "I'll just show him and then he'll be able to..."  Right.)  Not that everyone with emotional intimacy problems has Asperger's.  But once it was clear that he did -- and it was finally a counselor who picked up on it and after that it was totally obvious and I wondered why I had been in such denial -- anyway, once it was clear that he did, I couldn't fool myself any more that it was going to change. 

Some people are okay with marriage being mostly a practical, companionable arrangement.  But my emotional life is strong enough and important enough to me that I needed more.  I see that now even though it was the drinking rather than the emotional intimacy that drove us apart.  The drinking was such an urgent problem that nothing else compared.  Some people do get that emotional intimacy through friends and other ways, and their spouse is more of a companion.  I think it works different for everyone.



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Ok i'm having an aha moment too. That was my big complaint about my husband. He didn't drink enough that he was on the floor passed out. But 99% of the time he just wasn't there. It was like living with a zombie, a zombie that had to be coaxed and coddled to do anything. He never woke up in the morning and said "wow, look at the weather!! Let's do something!!" I always had to do the thinking, plan the activities, and the same with the work that had to be done, like maintaining the house, looking after our child, always me, all the time. And because I planned it, I owned it. So if anything was not up to standard it was my fault. Weather crummy, my fault. Movie no fun, my fault. Got lost on the way, my fault. Party crowd not his kind of people, my fault.

It was like having a second kid, not a grown up around. Today we are 7 weeks separated and he came over to pick up my son, and I was mad at him, because he took the alan keys that I needed to adjust my bike. I have three bikes, and I was heading out the door to go for a bike ride with a group and I couldn't find the tools to put the water cage on, a simple thing. He went home and got them but by the time he did that I was late for the meet and I was furious.

Suddenly I saw in my head that everyone else's husband would have looked after that and instead my guy was knocking over my bike in the garage 3 days after I bought it because he was mad at me. I saw my whole marriage before me and how I was the one who never got her needs met EVER. I was the servant of the household, shit on the bottom of his shoe that just got walked on all the time. I yelled at him that I was going to find someone who loved me for REAL. Because being loved means that your partner thinks of you and does things for you and its not just one way all the time with me giving and him taking, and taking so much that you haven't even got anything left for yourself.

Can women accept that a partner that is just superficial, that has no depth, that doesn't ever meet their needs? A partner that just puts a roof over her head and that's it, that's all. I don't know about you, but I can't accept that. I'd rather be alone with myself than alone in a relationship. At least if I'm alone with myself, I can meet other people and have a chance a building friendships and so on. But alone with him means being truly alone because his presence means there is no room for anyone else, and there is so much work to do looking after him that there is no energy for me to look after me.



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Thank you for posting - I am getting so much out of the sharing here.  I don't know that I have much more to add.

I filed for divorce 3 months ago.  My AH also sank to a new low with becoming physical, approximately a year and a half ago.  Though I struggle greatly with grief and fear - the decision to leave came when I realized that I was living in CONSTANT fear, and that my leaving was not only best for my toddler child and me, but also for him.  I couldn't even go to my al-anon meetings without some repercussion at some point.  I was tired of wondering what might happen next - and, yet, I let both my AH and my MIL continue to try and tell me that my AH did not have anger issues, that I "push his buttons," that I "am not doing the work on myself" and that I "don't behave like someone who believes they are loved by God."That wrought serious havoc on my psyche. 

I don't see any signs that this has awakened him, or that he has hit bottom.  His parents always pick him up. However - the healthier me won't concern herself with what he is doing.  I have good days and bad days - days where my mind and ego run the show, and days where I am in touch with my HP, higher self, and the universe. 

Now, I have a lot of work to do to repair my relationship with ME.  The overwhelm I feel from working full time, being in school, being a single mom now, and having to move out of my home sometimes has me questioning whether or not I am doing the right thing.  I was led here, so I am working on trusting that this is still my HP's doing, and that I will continue to be led. 

What you have said rings so true for me.  Every bit of how it felt, though some of the details are a little different.  Underlying everything is his need to control, manipulate, and protect his disease.  I allowed myself to be SO very vulnerable to my (soon to be ex) AH;  I loved him, forced myself to trust and believe in him at times; tried to be a better wife, more understanding, more confident, healthier, etc. etc. etc.  I wanted to let go and give this my all.  I REALLY did.  What I found was someone who was present a fraction of the time, and a disease took over the rest of the time.  Most of what I gave of myself to him he either drained from me (the positive things), or used against me (my vulnerabilities, sensitivities, and character defects). 

There is no perfect relationship, no perfectly healthy or balanced relationship.  However, I don't believe that what we have described here is the result of typical marriage issues - this is illness.  I need to rebuild, or perhaps truly build for the first time, my sense of self and self-worth.  I need and want to honor me - I want my daughter to see that. 

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Just wanted to thank everyone for their sharing on this thread. I think it definitely gives us all a feeling that we are not alone. As Klotus said, I too have forced myself to trust and believe in him even when I knew I would be hurt or let down. I tried to be better at being a wife. Even now, AH accuses me of not actually being a wife. He says I'm a single mom playing wife. It's so hard to recognize that his words come from his own pain of being rejected and then realizing that his being rejected is because of how he's treated his family and how the lies and crap have caught up with him. It's quite a cycle we have going on here and my efforts to stop the cycle are making him uncomfortable and he's lashing out in the process/progress.

I can relate to what Forestfairy said, too. I wake up every morning looking for an opportunity to enjoy the day, to busy myself in the world, to kick up a little dust so to speak. That's the last thing my AH ever wants to do. Spending the day on the couch is his dream day which is so opposite of what I want for us as a family. He never initiates family activities, dinners out, day at the movies or waterpark(well, he wouldn't be caught dead at the waterpark, who am I kidding), etc. He even asked me yesterday what I had planned for us on Mother's Day. Hmm, I left the day open so that you guys could plan something. It's the one day when I would love to be free from 'planning' anything, LOL!

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