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I do understand about your friend and the need to change the relationship. I know that before alanon I would just simply end relationships if they became too difficult . Alanon has given me some great tools to enable me to be with people, even my family without having to walk away. I agree one way is to lessen the time together. I also found having a plan helps Going to a movie, art show, museum, zoo together Then the focus can be on the activity and not get in to "if only's etc".
If I agree to go for coffee I try to limit the time and treat it like a face to face meeting. Let everyone talk, listen in a non judge mental way and then share from my heart it works
It is wonderful to see you back and sharing. I have missed you
-- Edited by hotrod on Thursday 9th of May 2013 08:01:39 AM
I have not been to this board for quite a while. A lot has been going on in my life and I am working on not being reactive (which really did sink me) and having lots of boundaries.
Lately I have been having real issues with a friend of mine. He is a good friend. He has been"there" for me. I think I had no idea how much I was a victim and just wanted to be aorund other victims. Basically now I have this huge conflict with him because whatever I say (and I mean whatever) he turns it into a shoulda coulda woulda session. At any time he can get agitated and
raise his voice. I do not experience that as threatening but it is beyond annoying. I think so much of my past relationship with him has been about complaining. He complains all day long about lots of things in his life (and he has much to complain about his life is pretty difficult). I know I did that. I also had much to complain about.
In the last few months I have had an unbelievably hard time with certain situations and I cant say this friend was that supportive. On so many levels he lives in denial and really in fear.
I know I also lived in fear and I was particularly fearful of others disapproval.
So this friend who went from someone who I clicked with on so many levels has now become pretty unbearable to be around. And all that has changed is me. He is pretty much the same.
What happened was I changed. I had to get a lot of internal strength to deal with certain situations that came up in the last month. I set limits with him but he can't really hear them. I find it really tiresome to keep asking him to lower his voice. He will try to move in the coulda woulda shoulda mandate at any time. I have another really long term friend who will do that. When I set a limit with him around it he immediately stopped talking to me. I cant say we are at logger heads but basically if he cant coulda woulda shoulda there is no relationship.
I know absolutely I ruined and I mean absolutely destroyed certain relationships with coulda would shoulda and I can really see how other people in my life just let go. There is no getting around that kind of control issue. I also know that on so many levels this man has been kind to me and a good resource. I just don't know how to manage things. I mean I cant sit there with head phones on when I speak to him. I am finding it nearly impossible to be in his presence. Obviously this is a bit more boundary practice for me. Every day is boundary practice.
I think I have gone to another level in my life and sometimes people do not come with you. There has to be a way to let go gracefully. I know I can make myself much less available and I have been thinking about that. I have other resources but really friend making is sometimes hard when you want to have boundaries.
When I started to do things in a more healthy way, I did find that I had to reduce the role of some people in my life. Some drastically. Because they just weren't compatible with living healthily. One up side was that then I had more space to welcome in people who were healthier.
I can relate and am processing something similar change in a friendship.
Letting go gracefully to me means that my actions and words come from a loving, compassionate place, and I express myself accordingly. Alanon roads seem to lead to doing the next right thing.
With various forms of detachment and keeping my side of the street clean, I have been able to salvage relationships that then grow in more healthy ways. Some distance and downtime can resolve a lot without burning bridges; it will give time to rebalance and an opportunity for reinitiating healthier interaction patterns. Deflection and switching the subject may also be helpful- something like, "I'm not sure I'm getting all of that..." (then change the subject). How someone else chooses to react is their choice.
When someone is feeling so consistently out of control and miserable where they can't find healthy ways of processing their own hurts and fears, to me, it is an indication that conversations will be unhealthy and unproductive. At this point, I'll exit rather than hang around to become an emotional dumping ground for some one else's anger, frustrations, and fears. My plate is already too full without taking on someone else's problems.
When I have done all that I could and the relationship ends, I think that sometimes people were only intended to be in our lives for a limited time- to help or to learn a lesson- and then we move on, making room for other wonderful things.
I often laugh because there are a couple of people who will ask me what's going on and then get upset that I talk about what's going on with me. Well, .. don't ask. I had thought these were two people who I could talk to about the things going on in my life and the reality is .. they aren't. I also have found that there are certain subjects with certain people I just don't approach.
When I look at my part in these situations I have to ask myself .. well .. is there anything I can do in terms of not asking the general what's going on? Or my fav how is the divorce going? LOL .. I can now see those things as a set up to taking me down a road I don't want to go down. I have literally drawn the line of please don't ask if you don't want to know. I also change the subject if they choose to bring it up.
In terms of other people I just REALLY try and have a plan B. Meaning if the subject comes up finding a graceful way to change it, it's no different than redirecting a child. Usually people pick up from there and go with it.
Anyway, hugs again and hope to see you again really soon, :)
P :)
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Stepping onto a brand-new path is difficult, but not more difficult than remaining in a situation, which is not nurturing to the whole woman.- Maya Angelo
I think you would regret cutting this person off. Our program suggests we look at ourselves rather than others. It sounds like you are taking his inventory rather than your own. I know when i feel this way it's about me more than anyone else. Boundaries are tools to protect yourself from bad behaviour is your friend really behaving badly?
I have outgrown my "friends" a few different times in life. And when untried to go back I really wasn't supposed to. The reason I say "friends" with quotation marks is that real friends in the spiritual dimension share the solution with each other, even when there's pain. Boundaries are set for the other person's protection, or God's. this is a whole issue of its own.
I don't know that I can exactly cut this person off. I can lessen my involvement with them. I guess I am kinda disappointed because I invested time and energy into the relationship and I will not get my emotional needs met. I guess that's life there are no guarantees.
I do indeed identify with his misery. When I was working 80 hours plus I was full of misery and complaints and plain exhausted. I find more and more that I cannot get my needs met in a lot of relationships but my needs have changed. I no longer complain all day long. Now I want empathy. I "shoulda" "coulda" "woulda" a lot of relationships to death. I thought that was helping!