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Another newbie..


yes.. a sober aloholic is what I really meant.. lol

@pinkchip - my husband is telling me to leave him, but that is way easier said than done.  He was sober for over a year and then fell off again.  He says he has a lot of worries and stress that he can't cope with and he is afraid of loosing me so he's going to "push" me away so he won't get hurt in the long run.  And he is using the issues of stress, family member's death and court date coming up for a case he has, for justification in falling off the wagon. He's done sooooo good so far.. Just too much all at once.  And then his so called "friends" pop in the picture out of the blue after all this time and take him out and all they do is drink.  He's known them since childhood and feels like I'm the one pushing his friends and drinking family members away from him.



-- Edited by Itzli on Friday 12th of October 2012 04:37:38 PM

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Needless to say, I'm a little bit freaked out for even starting to reach out and look for help in my situation.  Really, I don't want to believe I'm in a situation to begin with, so this is really hard.  I just run out of options and pretending that it doesn't exist isn't helping. So, here I am.

My husband is an alcoholic.  I never wanted to believe it.  I thought he just couldn't control his drinking.  He's the type that can go a long time without drinking and live a "normal" life and then out of the blue go on a binge all day/night drinking and he ends up wandering from place to place until eventually he passes out.  He doesn't think this is a problem, just a night of fun to him.  But drinking has caused him to get into a lot of trouble with the law and his family.. and me.. He's gone to treatement and suceeded.. Spent more than a year sober and then yesterday, binge night.  He uses whatever excuse to justify his drinking - his past, past failed relationships, deaths of family members or just simply "because (he) can".

Me, I am an enabler.  I am the passive-aggressive type that hates conflict.  The only time I really fight with my husband is when he is drinking.  I don't know how to talk to him when he's sober.  I'm afraid of what he will say.  I'm too angry and hurt to talk to him when he's sober.  He always tells me that he wants to communicate with me but when I ask him questions or say whats on my mind he automatically shuts me down.  So I learned not to say anything.  What hurts is, he is a very attentive person to other people... family, friends and our kids.. But I feel he rejects me.  I started going through his phone just out of curiosity and saw he txts female friends and to them he is so concerned and encouraging and open.  That hurt me most of all.  I feel like I have to beg him for any affection whatsoever.  He swears he's not cheating but he has several women he is talking to that have emotional attachments.  He and I don't sleep together often.  I'm only 35 and feel like I'm living the life of a nun.  And then he goes off and drinks and parties with his friends and leaves me at home to wonder where he is, is he ok, who he's with..  I'm resentful because while I have to pay bills, take care of kids, take care of the home.. he gets to do whatever he wants because, "he can". 

Now the clincher.. When sober, he is so great!  He and I have a wonderful relationship.  We need work of course.  A lot of work... But things are ok when he's not drinking.. Deep down, I know he is reaching out for help too but he is too proud to come out and ask.  He does have support and keeps in touch with his treatment counselors.  The biggest issue that I can see is, he doesn't want ppl to look down on him.  He wants to be respected and liked so he hides anything negative about his personality.  I do believe that he would be willing to go back to treatment if given the chance.  What I'm not sure about, his willingness to talk about what his drinking has done to our marriage and to me.

Anyways, I needed to get this off my chest.  Most ppl just tell me to leave him.  Even HE tells me to leave him sometimes.  That is not an option for me.. I want healing. 



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I am in the same boat. My AH is in rehab right now, been there for 2 months already and almost done. He was the same with me; he had all the time in the world for others but never for me... he had his social life that did not include me and really thought that was perfectly normal and got annoyed with me when I pointed out that it was abnormal. He used the home to get his energies back for the next round and we only socialized as a couple if I organized something at our home. When he was sober we were great until things got really bad then the sober periods were fraught with animosity and simmering resentments. Otherwise I had to drink or get high with him to have an enjoyable time together... sick, really sick.

I am only starting my own recovery now and am reading a book on CoDependency which is opening my eyes to my reality and behaviours. You will get great advice here, I look forward to reading it all :)

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oh my! This may not be helpful but you sound like you read my mind and were writing about my AP!

I am so sorry for the situation we are both in....but glad you and I have found this site today and are able to ask for support too!

I have stopped looking at my AP's phone now as it is just destroying. He asks other women friends out for drinks but we never go out! It would sometimes be easier if he had an affair cos at least then I would know what to do! As for resentment...I am the queen I recon...lol! I just got a text from the pub (he is usually there from 3pm) saying he is getting a taxi - Taxi = drunk!

We are a similar age and I would like to think that this doesn't have to be the end of our fun and happy lives, for us and our children!

I don't know if its enough....but you are not alone!

I feel like I need to give you a big hug and say we will get through it...cos I am sure we will... Not so sure about them, but that is their life. This is ours!

Hugs xx

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Thanks for your responses. I guess, I'm just very tired of feeling isolated. Suffering in silence. I have NO idea where to begin working on my relationship so I figure, maybe just start on me and see if anything else falls into place.

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Maybe....I hope so!

I have been working on me for a few weeks (not brilliantly)  BUT it has made a difference to the way I feel and some of his behaviour in terms of the way he talks to me.

I can tell him to stop his taunting/arguing (he calls it being precise) and be respectful which he does stop and say 'sorry' to.  Its a start!

fingers crossed xx



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In what ways are you working on yourself?

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I have just begun learning how to let go of his behaviour; learning to detach is very important. The book that keeps coming up on this forum is Codependent No More (Melody Beattie) but I haven't been able to find it so I got another one called Codependence and the Power of Detachment (Karen Casey).
I have been obsessing about his behaviour and drinking for years and it has made me crazy and needy and to be honest I have lost myself in this disease. Starting to read the right stuff is what I am doing, and hopefully I will regain my self in the process of letting go.

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Kismet, I found Codependent No More on Amazon. It is an amazing read, I am highlighting everything, it just hits so close to home. I highly recommend . Ts

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I am going to look on amazon and get it now.... this is my 2nd dependant relationship and its not good for me or the kids... I know that!

Itzli... I have begun doing simple things. Joined a choir as i LOVE to sing...not a boring one an upbeat one to make me feel good. Joined slimming world to lose a few pounds and make myself feel better...have lost 9b already :o) (i was not obese, just a bit more than i would like) Started just responding to his life and comments in a basic way..not getting involved in them. Its hard because I love him and want to be part of his world...just not the world he is in right now...it makes me feel sick!

Oh, I am also cooking...jumbalaya tonight. If he is asleep or too drunk to eat...his loss. I will eat a lovely meal and feel good about it. I will also watch a film of my choice while he is snoring on the sofa....again his loss!

Have a happy evening xxxx

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I think that some of the things I would like to do for myself is - start going to the gym so I can feel better about myself. I also am thinking about making an appt with a Dr. to get on some kind of anti-anxiety medicine. I have been so depressed lately too. I need some help to get out of that. Right now, my anxiety is to the point I'm scared to go home and face him. Not that I think anything will be "bad", but there is so much unsaid and I can feel the tension inside myself. I also been looking into some alanon groups in my area to see if maybe that would help, but right now transportation is an issue. I love my husband very much. I want him to see that, but I think that I need to start taking care of myself. Right now I'm emotionally unavailable to even have the energy to pay attention to my kids. Every time he and I have a fight, my anxiety sckyrockets. And then he doesn't answer his phone and makes it harder. I have trouble eating or concentrating and I think maybe getting into some counseling will help me cope. But those are just some ideas. My biggest thing now is, actually doing it.

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Just a thought. I wonder if there are any AH here that would like to help give me some advise? It be helpful to hear from the other side of things. I need to understand.

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Leaving an unhealthy relationship is always an option. For now, you choose to stay and that's fine. You don't need to defend that really. You will feel lots better when you start tending to yourself and finding ways to meet your own needs that don't involve him. Having so much of your esteem, happiness, security, and identity wrapped up in your husband is not healthy. In terms of relationships, "Happily ever after" is such a nice concept, but what's more realistic and worth striving for is "Happy with myself and happy during the time I choose to spend with you also."

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Not sure why you would want suggestions from an AH. If they are actively drinking, the suggestions will be warped and illogical.

Maybe you mean from a sober alcoholic. I do fit that bill, but I still say the suggestions you are geting from other folks in alanon will be of more use to you. All I can tell you from the side of the alcoholic is that I know I used to be a very selfish and hurtful person. I thought everything revolved around me. I was not capable of freely giving myself to any relationship and I think people were usually disappointed in me for not living up to my potential. I tell my current partner to leave me if I ever relapse because I don't want to treat anybody like that again.

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Itzli, you and I share a similar story. My AW is currently sober and actively working on her recovery. She too was a binge drinker who could go weeks without getting drunk, but when she drank she really, really drank. Between drunks she was the most selfish person I'd ever met and I seriously started to wonder what I was even doing in our relationship. As strange as it sounds, I had no idea she was an alcoholic, I just knew she was selfish and mean. I too am passive-aggressive and tried hard not to rock the boat for fear of her wrath. We have one child and I told myself to keep it together for our daughter. She kept pushing and pushing me away until I would just leave her at parties to get drunk. She did cheat on me at one of the parties and was caught and I was eventually told about her actions. That was her rock bottom. We're working on things, but the damage to my trust in her is deep and I'm just starting to take card of myself. I exercise regularly, see a therapist once a week and have begun meditating daily. I also journal. It's amazing what comes out when you just start writing, it's eye opening. I'm learning through this site and through F2F meetings that recovery starts with me, and I intend to keep it up. Good luck!

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I was really selfish when I was drinking. That was for real. I did selfish things more frequently when drunk but I was selfish by nature too. Being sober (or dry) does not take the selfish character defect away - hard work in a 12 step program aids with that.

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Ladies I hope you both are going to face to face meetings. & getting help for yourself.
As for the practising Alcoholic they will always find a excuse to drink or blame it on something.
Stress of a job, a death, illness, a nagging wife, you name it. If these things made a person alcoholic we would all have a drinking problem.
It really is a disease a family disease, we all get sick, let the healing start with us.
Make Al Anon your choice of anti anxiety instead of pills.
Go get some love , hugs & understanding at Al Anon meetings & keep coming back here.
We do understand what you are dealing with, as few others well.
Sending love with hugs

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Aloha Iztli...what I learned in the program and am still learning and practicing (which makes better) is the attitude and idea of leaving once and a while or as I was taught in Al-Anon detaching which comes is many many forms...you get to explore and then practice them.  I can leave mentally or emotionally or physically on many levels.  Sometimes leaving for a while is practicing acceptance of the situation and then just letting it go.  Today I was working the slogan "Live...and let Live"...that is a detachment slogan.  I get to choose to live my life on purpose with intent and focus...no one gets to invade it  and at the same time I get to keep my way out of other peoples lives whether that in reality or just in my head.  I've got a 60 floor 720 room appartment in my head with renters running around just all over making noise and challenging me to manage and control them all.  Leave for a while is good variation and if you are getting the suggestion from your alcoholic and others...it becomes a no brainer to take their suggestion...leave come back...leve come back.  Welcome to the board...good to have you here.

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Itzie glad your here, sound like your doing great already...finding your own things that give you joy. As the slogan says let it start with me, I love this one because by changing ourselves and acting in a God way...Good orderly direction for me is doing what is right for me and its amazing to see the positive changes in me has effect on my kids and my abf as I now can communicate in a more honest way. I hope you enjoyed your meal and movie, by taking care of my needs I am not resentful (so much)..still working on it lol.

Great to see you are being your own best friend, be kind to yourelf in your thoughts as well and letting the Miracles begin.

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I too, am a newbie.  Boy, can I understand your situation!  My AH works a full time job and gets home between 4-430 in the afternoon. I work from 300 to 11 at night.  So he is home drinking that entire time alone.  With us, this has been going on for about 5 years now.  He will go through a brief period of sobriety, then it's back to the bottle again.  But this time, there has been no sobriety.  I have voiced my concerns, and heard the "I will stop, I will lay off" speech, but it didn't stop.  It has actually gotten worse.  He goes through 3 gallons or more of bourbon per week, just by drinking in the evenings/on weekends.  Thing is, I think he knows he has a problem, because has started to sneak behind my back to drink and tries to hide it in unusual places, put in in different containers, etc.  He just won't admit it.  I am one to avoid conflict too, but I have confronted him and told him that I cannot sleep in the same bed anymore, because the smell when he sweats at night is nauseating, with booze oozing from every pore. Did not seem to phase him at all. 

Just like your AH, mine is so sweet and thoughtful, even when drinking.  He has never hurt me physically, and he is not verbally abusive either.  He cooks, cleans, does housework...Really, his only flaw is the drinking, or he would be the perfect husband!  That is why this is so hard to deal with.  Any suggestions?



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Teresa2U I don't have any suggestions, but here's what worked in my life. First I divorced the alcoholic husband, then after a year and a half later we ended up getting back together. My AH is a dry drunk. He quit drinking before we got married, actually during our dating, because I had said that after having been married to two previous alcoholics, I wasn't going to go down that road again (don't know why I was even dating him at that point, because he WAS drinking when I started dating him, broke my own rule! lol)

I have been in al-anon for a good 24 hours and knew better than to get involved with an alcohoic (drinking or not) that wasn't active in AA, but I made the choice to do it anyway. After a year and a half apart, and a year and a half of working my program dilegently, I decided to get back together with him, as long as he wasn't drinking. A few things have changed however, I have set better boundaries about what I will and will not put up with. I love him, and I let him know that periodically (didn't do that before, so much). This is part of what I do to detach with love, as we say in the program.

@Itzli, I'm an enabler too, from a long line of enablers! lol I learned my lesson well! But today I can say the "No", word and mean it. It took me a good 24 hours in this program to learn how to do that however, it didn't happen overnight. This is your life Itzli, you don't have to leave him if you don't feel like that's the right thing to do, but you WILL have to accept him where he's at... he is the only one that can make the choice to change. I too had to learn this the hard way, 3 alcoholic marriages and one marriage to a sex addict later, I can say this with some authority: Accept the things you can not change, change the things you can, and ask God for the wisdom to know the difference between the two.

Good luck to both of you on your journey!

Peace!

Lisa



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