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So sorry to hear your story. Alcohol screws up so many lives. I have gotten so the sight of an ABC store makes me almost physically sick. Definitely agree with the suggestions to hang out here with us and look into al anon involvement. As far as the infidelity goes, I have always said that alcohol doesn't cause you do to it, it just lowers your inhibitions and gives you the courage to do what you wanted to do anyway. Also, one of the reasons why I pay close attention to the mean and nasty things my AH says to me . . . drunk words are sober thoughts.
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I found out 45 days ago that my wife of 21 years is an alcoholic. I always suspected there was a problem going on but couldn't quite put my finger on it. She was a binge drinker, mostly on weekends, who just didn't know when enough was enough. I would try to get her to leave parties when she was drunk but nothing I said or did could keep her from drinking. Her bad behavior at parties was increasing and she'd begun to act out with other men in flirtatious ways, dancing and touching. She began to push me away, both at home and at parties, so she could behave the way she wanted to behave. She began to blackout more and more frequently, required either me or friends to fill in the blanks. During her blackouts she would say the meanest things to me, forcing me to leave her at parties to fend for herself since she refused to leave with me. She usually had at least one person around who would help her out if needed until 45 days ago.
We attended a neighborhood party and, as usual, she began to prime herself by drinking at our house before hand. When we arrived at the party she went one way and I went the other. I hated attending parties with her, she embarrassed me. That night was no different. I had begun to limit my drinking at parties so I could keep an eye on her, especially since I had told her I wanted her to limit her flirting. Compared to previous parties she was on her best behavior. She was still drunk, but her behavior was calmer than usual. Around midnight I told her it was time to go. The party was winding down and all the booze was gone, there was no reason to stay. Of course, she didn't want to leave and caused a scene. I left wondering why she was always so mean to me. Less than an hour later she was caught in a bathroom performing oral sex on the twenty two year old son of friends of ours. She remembers little of the incident, claiming she was blacked out, but she remembers enough to know she did what was seen. She steadfastly maintains that the alcohol made her do it, that she was out of control. She does remember telling him she wanted sex but that wasn't going to happen but that she would do something else.
I'm struggling with both the alcohol problem and the infidelity. That she refuses to take responsibility for the sexual act is troubling to me. I am seeing a therapist and I'm also planning on attending an Al-Anon meeting to begin working on my recovery. Needless to say, I'm a mess. Thanks for reading and I appreciate communities like this.
Thank you for sharing with us. I am so sorry to hear what you've been experiencing. Infidelity adds a whole new layer to the problems alcoholism brings around. Alcoholism is a painful disease to live with if you don't know how to cope with it.
I am happy to hear you will be attending some face-to-face meetings. I would recommend you attend at least six as close together as possible so you can get a real good feel for the meetings. If it feels like a good fit, get yourself a sponsor and start working the steps.
I am glad you are planning on attending face to face Al-anon meetings. When I got in the doors and dived into my recovery program so many things started to make sense to me and the things that didn't where not for me to understand and that became okay too. I am sending you love and support on your journey!
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Thanks for the feedback and support, very much appreciated. I should add that after I confronted my wife with what I knew about her infidelity she sought out AA on her own. She's been sober ever since the day I asked her to leave. She's since moved back in and has been working on her recovery, however she refuses to discuss or take responsibility for the infidelity, claiming the booze made her do it. I'm just now realizing the extent of my issues and that neither of us can help the other with the problems we each face. I plan on attending as many F2F meetings as possible and plan to continue to check in to this site. I've already learned a lot just by reading. Thanks again for your help.
I'll share that one of the valuable things I've learned is to not put my happiness on hold until I get an apology or amends from someone who's wronged me (either for real or perceived - I've had a lot of perceived wrongs happen to me that under careful reflection were only "wrongs" because of how I was feeling at the time. That's not saying infidelity is a perceived wrong, however! That stuff hurts like hell, I've lived through it myself.)
But what I am getting at is that although your wife may be in recovery, it does not mean she's going to turn around and apologize to you for every hurtful thing she's done in the past. It will come in due time, IF it comes at all. Don't put your happiness on hold until you get those apologies and amends because you could be waiting a long, LONG time. You can still enjoy life without someone else's apologies and amends. You deserve to enjoy your life, so don't let that expectation hold you back.
10 years ago I could have written almost exactly the same thing you shared.
Aloha is so right. Don't wait on anything from the Alcoholic whether in recovery or not. She is new to it and so are you. You both will make mistakes. But it is so wonderful you are planning to go to as many meetings as you can. Meetings saved my life.
My life looks nothing like I wanted it to 10 years ago, but it is soooo much better!
Aloha Alan...you got my story also. I stopped thinking that my alcoholic/addict when drunk would sex any Tom, Dick or Harry until I remembered that it was how we got together..hmmmmm so I changed the judgement to any Tom, Dick, Harry and Jerry.
Under the influence of alcohol...good people will do very bad things they wouldn't do while not under the influence. That's an early Al-Anon piece of wisdom.
I learned that there were two women I lived with...my wife and my alcoholic/addict...being familiar with who was in the room with me at anyone time was very important.
Being able to attend 90 meetings in 90 days in my area saved my butt and her life cause I had arrived at the place where I was as much a threat to her well being as the alcohol. Thank you HP for getting me here and keeping me in my seat.
She probably wouldn't have done it if she wasn't drunk. However, that doesn't make it okay and doesn't absolve responsibility. Getting sober involves a spiritual awakening and a massive personality overhaul. Right now she is probably viewing alcohol as a poison that turns her into a monster. To a degree that is true right? That is all her fragile, newly recovering, alcoholic ego can handle at this time and it's all that is letting her put 1 day of sobriety together and then progress into the next day.
That is just how it is right now. I guess you decide whether to have faith in her recovery, in her, in your higher power, or you don't. The best and most freeing thing is not to get the apology you wanted but to be truly accepting of what you have and what you are faced with today.
This is a quote for the big book of alcoholics anonymous. It is my favorite passage because it's useful not just for alcoholics, but for anyone (though it requires some slight shifting where the word alcoholism appears to be more like "until I could accept the disease of alcoholism, I could not stay serene" or something like that):
"And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me, and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment. Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake. Until I could accept my alcoholism, I could not stay sober; unless I accept life completely on life's terms, I cannot be happy. I need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes. "
Thanks pinkchip, your words are very helpful and encouraging as are everyone's. I'm taking this one day at a time and trying to live in the moment, not as easy as it sounds but I'm trying.
Hi Alan66 Thank you for sharing with us. Al-Anon is the right place to head. I just wanted to share sometime with you. When I first walked into an Al-Anon room almost a year ago I was in a very dark place. I didn't know what to expect and had no re-conceived ideas. All I remember of my first meeting was being too chocked up to speak, hearing give it 6 meetings before I decided if Al-Anon was for me and almost constant references to god.
As an atheist I found it VERY off putting but I was so desparate, I kept going back. The people at the meeting were all a lot older than me, it looked like the only thing I had in common with them was we'd all been effected by someone else's drinking. But I kept going back. That was almost a year ago. I feel so much better today I can't tell you. I am so very very grateful to Al-Anon. I have a sponsor, I'm working the steps, I do service, make phone calls, attend conventions and read Al-Anon literature every day. In those dark early days I doubted Al-Anon could help me but I decided to give it a chance and keep an open mind. I've found keeping an open mind is the key to healing. Please try the meetings and if at first you are unsure about it just keep on coming back. Al-Anon can help and will help given the opportunity. I wish you the very best on your journey, good luck and as we say in Al-Anon take one day at a time. Jane xx
I can relate to this very much. At a certain point I stopped socializing with the now ex A. I felt bitter, angry and very very lonely.
The ex A's destructive behavior was cumulative and eventually I got absolutely exhausted. I am glad you are taking care of yourself. I can't recommend enough the book Getting them Sober. I think its a really important resource.