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This is the first time I have used this forum (or any for that matter) and am just looking for some advice. I am married to a currently sober alcoholic. We have been together for nearly 5 years, married for 2 and have 2 beautiful children. For the first years of our relationship my husband drang heavily, on and off, but was unable to admit that he had a problem. I myself didn't really realize how much of a problem his drinking was until later in the relationship. It became so bad that I had to have him removed from the home, and thankfully that's when he decided to go for help. That moment changed our lives forever and has been a huge blessing. He has since returned to college, graduated and has remained sober for the last year and a half. The problem that I now face is the mood swings. There are times when everything seems perfect and we couldn't be happier. Other times I feel as though I'm being used as a verbal bunching bag. It's as though when he struggles with his sobriety he must find ways to vent on me to feel better. I know I should be supportive, especially considering how far he has come, but I can't help but feel defeated. Lately, it's as though I do something to set him off every day.
Has anyone out there experienced this? Or has any advice on how to cope?
I would really appreciate any advice... I feel like if I don't just "take it" so to speak and put up with his attitude I'm not being supportive but by doing so I'm miserable...
Please go to a face to face alanon meeting .. whatever he's going through he needs to deal with. Abuse of any kind is never ok. It is NOT ok for him to "vent on you" to feel better. Where does that leave you? How do you feel after a venting session? Being supportive and being someone's verbal punching bag is a very different take. Many people have gotten help from a book called Getting Them Sober .. Emotional sobriety is different than physical sobriety, people can be physically sober and never get to be emotionally sober. Once again whatever is or is not going on with him .. please go to a face to face meeting for you! You are worth it.
Hugs P :)
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Stepping onto a brand-new path is difficult, but not more difficult than remaining in a situation, which is not nurturing to the whole woman.- Maya Angelo
Thanks. It's nit-picking, like finding really random things to fight over. It doesn't make sense to me because he was only this way when he was drinking and had stopped that behavior for nearly an entire year. I don't know if there are Al-Anon meetings in my small town...
I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'm soooo happy that he is sober, and we had a great year from it. But now it's like I can't do anything right.
You can find out by calling the local alanon hotline in your area or looking it up online. I also live in a smallish town of about 86k, we only have 4 alanon meetings in the area on a weekly basis. It kind of sucks because I wish there were more of a selection .. we need a stronger alanon program.
Getting Them Sober will help you start learning to walk away from a fight there are other books as well such as How Alanon Works and there are the daily readers. I'm not saying go out and buy a library, How Alanon Works can be purchased for 5$ through a group or amazon.com. You can find Getting Them Sober at a local library or used book store I'm sure. The daily readers are a God send as far as I go .. when I'm struggling I can look up in the back index what I am struggling with. Going to the f2f meetings helps because I have a phone list of people I can call at anytime when I'm really struggling.
There are online meetings here as well and those help .. I don't know why there is something about hearing someone else's experience that just resonates with me. The voice and the story mean so much.
I know when I get sick and tired of being sick and tired I choose to do something about it. :)
Hugs again, P :)
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Stepping onto a brand-new path is difficult, but not more difficult than remaining in a situation, which is not nurturing to the whole woman.- Maya Angelo
At one of my first AlAnon meetings an older, more experienced AlAnon said to me to "quit playing ball". She said when the ball is thrown to me to let it fall and don't throw it back. Huh? (I thought). And then I learned the "oh, so, and go method". Again, "Huh?" I learned that when they get nit-picking, or taking my inventory, or just being in a bad mood and I am in the room that I can leave the room. They can throw me a comment and I can just let that comment fall to the floor. I don't have to defend myself. I don't have to respond. I don't have to make communication with some insane remark. I don't have to pretend that his language even makes sense to me. I don't have to play ball. And I can first say, "Oh?". And then when he comments more I can say "So......." and then I can go out the door. Be vague with your comments and then Get out of there.
My A is very opinionated - example: when debating/discussing politics, his opinion is the only one that matters. He states his thoughts, I state mine and then he overtalks me repeating his.....I just get up and leave the room.
JD, get to a meeting for sure. While I read here that some people can simply walk away from their alcoholics when they are behaving badly, mine never allowed that tactic. He would follow me, continue to engage me and just got angrier and angrier. I began detaching in the ways I could, mostly in my own head, when the rants would start I would mentally go somewhere else more pleasant in my head. My AH was angry all the time, sober or drunk, he is just a sad negative angry person, now he has a diagnosis of being bi-polar too. It would be easy for me to blame his behavior on the alcohol or the mental illness, but I know in my heart when he was screaming at me, saying hurtful things and behaving badly that he knew what he was doing, I believe it felt better to him to do those things vs. dealing with them, mine also lied and hid more things than I can list here. Everyone here and at meetings would tell me that I would know when I had had enough, they were right, I have had enough and now I'm willing to do what it takes to walk away from him. It will be messy, he will make sure of that, but he can no longer control me, it feels good.
Your journey is your own, do things in your own time at your own pace. Stay with him if you want, leave him if you want, realize you have choices. Get to a f2f meeting, it's a good start. Good luck, we all know exactly what you are going through. Hugs and prayers. ts
Trudy you just described my AH perfectly! You can't just walk away or ignore him. But I am doing the little things that I can to try to keep my sanity. And JD it's the same when he's sober. Still an angry, unhappy, bitter person that can't deal with the reality of life. I have been reading and trying to figure out how to handle this the best way I can. Looking forward to getting to meetings again. Looking forward to living again, I gave up a lot of things just to cater to him and it's time I get "me" back.
Good luck and I am glad I am not alone and there are people here that understand exactly where you are coming from!
This afternoon while at work I remet one of the guys I had in my group as a Alternatives to Violence Mens' Case Manager (loooong title huh?). He was checking into the hotel to spend a quiet weekend with his wife and youngest children...He and she now have 6 children and he was holding and kissing one of the young ones when he spotted me. He got a huge smile on his face and we shook hands and embraced and I asked him how are you doing now? I didn't have to ask really cause he was happy and at peace and so different than the man who was verbally, emotionally and physically abusive in so many ways when we met. He was court ordered to me and he came and sat and did the work and then I left the profession. I am so grateful for the work and the outcome. There is never a justification for the abuse and violence on any level. There are so many alternatives to just "taking it" on the part of the woman. Detachment?...yes on what ever level works for you which causes him to be with his own pain and sickness. Getting you to carry his angst is irresponsible considering that he considers himself in control. He's not in control...he's powerless and unmanagable. Marrying an abusers is not signing on as a victim. There is no special clause that says now that we are married you get to pound on me in various ways. You get to never pound on me because you love and respect me. You get to go get help for yourself and leave me alone. That is some of the language we spoke in ATV.
"Punching Bag" ...brings up very bad memories from prior to recovery...I apologize to an person who has been a victim of someone elses uncontrolled anger and rage, especially females. I am so sorry this is/has happened to you. In support (((((hugs)))))
JD my AH does the nit picky even to the point of creating something to fight over when he starts drinking or doin any thing else behind my back...I think subconciously he knows I should be upset ... I dont ask becasue he'll just lie.. I worry about me and walk (drive) away until the storm is over.. Kinda stinks as I dont ride any distance over 30 minutes with him.. I take my car becasue I have been caught up in a not able to get away from him on a vacation a couple times.. but I keep a spare key in my pocket and drive my own car.. I refuse to be verbaly abused any longer.. gas prices relly effected this choice but Id rather stay home than be miserable.
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I hear he is sober but my question is, is he working a program? Many people believe that if their loved one just stops drinking or drugging then everything should be ok. It's not. Unless they are working a program that teaches them to change their dysfunctional thinking and actions then you are living with a dry drunk. He may not be drinking but he hasn't functional or acceptable coping skills to use. Please do get yourself to Alanon meetings for you not for him. If you are a verbal punching bag that is unacceptable. It's abuse, and abusive behavior just like addictive behavior is a progressive disease. The more it is allowed to continue the worse it will get, so please always have a Plan B if you ever feel you are in danger. Keep posting and let us know how things are going Blessings
Your post is so full of love, and I have so much recognition for the title 'punchbag', yours is the first post I opened!
I used to just roll with the punches (or think that I really had done something wrong).
Like you I love my husband and I am trying to support his sobriety but there came a point when I asked myself 'how does he feel about himself after he has lost his temper over nothing' and the logical answer seemed to be that he probably felt pretty bad about himself. More recently I've started to ask myself 'how do I feel about this?' which I think is progress! Anyway, I decided that it did not help either of us if I behaved like a doormat (my self esteem was taking a nose dive) so now I pick and choose my responses - often starting with an 'oh!' to buy some time. So here are a few that usually work for us...
'do you really mean that?',
'I'm sorry if you feel bad,'
'why are you telling me this?',
'what are you trying to achieve?'
If I'm being given comands then I choose when and IF I'll do what he is demanding. But I'll be sure to do it in my own time.
Sometimes I just ignore and, sorry to say, sometimes I'm human and I snap right back (which never works for either of us) or else I keep quiet and then sleep in the spare room for a night or two. The other thing that I'm trying to do is avoid running bad conversations back in my head!!
My husband needs some help and thankfully he is beginning to recognise that what he is doing is not ok. He has done some CBT work which helped a bit but now he is talking about getting some more support - so fingers crossed.
When this man treats you like a verbal punching bag, as my former A did when he drank - we have since parted, telling you to go to AlAnon is not the complete answer. AlAnon shows us how to accept the alcoholic and how to live a serene life despite his/her sobriety or lack thereof. I can testify that living with a verbally abusive man is not something I want to do. Of course AlAnon is a part of it, but also setting the boundaries of acceptable vs unacceptable behavior is not unreasonable. "I am mad as hell, and I am not going to take this anymore" sounds to me like a good place to start.
Diva
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