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Hoping someone can provide insight on the guilt that an A feels.

I'm in my early 40's and a few months ago ran into a girl I knew 20 years ago. We were crazy about each other back in the day, but timing prevented us from ever getting together.

I knew she ran into drug and alchol problems and it was one of the first thing we talked about. I decided to persue something with her after some research and due to the fact that she has been clean for about 5 years.

Everything was great for the first couple of months.... but recently she explained that she may not be able to commit to a relationship because of guilt. Guilt from basically being "away" from her now 12 year old daughter for a number of years.

She is now a wonderful mother and it was one of the reasons I decided to start a relationship. But she is scared of a relationship becoming a distraction to her recovery and becoming a distraction to her daughter.

I'm not a fool, and realize that her recovery and her daughter will, and always should be her number one priority.

I'm just looking for a better explanation of the guilt associated with this diesease.

 



-- Edited by g319 on Monday 16th of July 2012 05:50:27 PM

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Hi G  Welcome to MIP

Guilt and Fear are two very powerful motivators for us in alanon and for the alcoholic. We feel we have not lived up to our responsibilities and have let someone down and the guilt kicks in It reminds us we need to change and make amends to the person we may have harmed.
If your friend has abandoned her daughter for 12 years she is trying to be the best mom she can be in order to live up to her principles. It seems that she feels a romantic relationship with you or anyone might hinder her ability  to be a good mom..
We have an AA Board here at MIP I suggest you post the same request there and see their response. Click on this link http://aa.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=42735


-- Edited by hotrod on Tuesday 17th of July 2012 09:19:07 AM

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Aloha G...Sounds like an attraction hook is set?  An addict/alcoholic working a good recovery program is very very attractive...stunning sometimes even.  I've felt the attraction myself from others in recovery and always approach it with deep empathy, compassion, respect and sensitivity.  She's got 5 years of recovery and has come to an understanding about her life then, what she found out and her life now which has helped her construct priorities she dare not diminish for any reason.  I know this.  It is what I have also gone(ing) thru and there isn't anyone in my life; including my current wife and children which I will sacrafice the recovery to.  In program we idenitify it at times at getting right with God (HP).

I never felt guilt or shame until I got into recovery and when I first felt these emotions  it made me very very ill..emotionally, physically, spiritually and mentally.  When the damage I had done to others presented itself in high contrast to anything else I had done in my life regardless of my intention I was apalled at the behavior and the lack of concern for others. 

If you haven't yet listened to what she did and how she came to feel about it; mind, body, spirit and emotions and then see if you have ever worn her shoes at that level...I would suggest open AA meetings or NA meetings and open Al-Anon or Nar-Anon meetings to just sit with and open mind and empathize with it all.  Only in this way could I come to understand guilt and shame for what I had done when the disease raged and then what was necessary to amend it (that's not apologize for it...that's change self so that it could not, would not ever happen again.)  Read my early post on the progressive 9th step.

You're on your way to learning about how cunning, powerful and baffling this disease is...a recovering addict has touched your spirit...and now you will be different.  I'm in support.  Keep coming back.  (((((hugs))))) smile



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People recover to varying degrees - Depending on how much relationships were wrapped up in her addiction - Usually relationships are very threatening to folks in recovery. This was a topic at a recent AA meeting I went to. Sober alcoholics/addicts often have never had a healthy relationship and it is widely known that relationships are the number 1 cause of relapse once a person has found sobriety (at least that's what I've heard in meetings). It will be impossible to tease apart whether she doesn't want to get involved because she is guilty and afraid versus that these are just her healthy priorities now. That's not for you to know or decide unfortunately.

For me, I wanted to be able to have a relationship and it was important to my recovery. I can see that for others, being a good parent would be a higher priority even though it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. It sounds like she has figured out how to be a good mom in recovery. Adding girlfriend/wife to that could be a VERY threatening proposition. I would take it really really slow and if it's not meant to be...



-- Edited by pinkchip on Tuesday 17th of July 2012 08:46:10 AM

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I can give you my take on it G - I lived quietly with just my kid and I until I met and married a man who then threw my life into chaos after he lost his job and started drinking from noonish on (unbeknownst to me). My vision tunneled and I spent the better part of two years trying to figure out ways to fix things, finally figured out how much drinking he was doing, what both our drinking was doing, and after the last big fight, entered Al-anon and changed what could be changed.

It took the greater part of a year to get my teenage daughter back after the last big fight with mr ex. I had to "hands off" and leave her to her anger, accept my guilt for destroying our peace and wait for her to decide to re-enter a relationship with me. We are now living again able to laugh together, I have my kid back. We spend a lot of time talking about the last few years, examining them and discussing different things about them.

I have been alone for 20 months, divorced for almost a year and have no desire to look at dating yet. I have too much of me left to restore but I also owe it to my daughter not to screw her life up anymore. I believe she could be a stronger person because of the last few years of chaos and the depths of our conversations about it, but I repeat: I am not going to screw her life up anymore. Most of the single guys I know around here would do just that - they have the same needy selfish its all about me personality traits I belatedly see in the ex.

I am committed to NOT looking for a guy - rather I prefer the notion of just staying busy, reclaiming my life and eventually getting to know someone through mutual enjoyment in some shared activity. But I won't risk hurting my daughter anymore - she has every right to NEVER speak to me again and I am LUCKY to have been given the chance to rebuild the relationship.

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Thanks everyone.

Much of what everyone contributed, I kinda already knew..... Just had to hear it from someone else I guess. :)

The hardest part on my end was going from 100 MPH and then almost immediately slowing down to 5 MPH. Like i mentioned earlier, me and this girl were friends who were attracted to each other 20 years ago, but the timing was never right. So the last thing I want to do is cause a distarction in her rehab.... and in her life.

And the biggest irony in all of this, is that I respect and care for her more knowing that she IS taking care of her number 1 priorities!!! Even if that means I have to walk away.

Once again, a big thank you, but if anyone has more to add, please do.

G

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