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I need some help figuring myself out today. When my husband and I were separated for about 2 months in February, my son overheard a call that his dad received and became suspicious and mentioned it to me. I made a note of the day and time and went digging. I found out that the number belonged to a young girl in his AA. In a 2 week period, there were about an hours worth of phone conversations. When I confronted him with the info, he said that they had been talking about a car that he was trying to sell for my son. Some parts of his story add up, others don't. Since then, we have been through detox, in-patient rehab, sobriety/ recovery, & one relapse. I know him so well that I knew instantly when he had slipped up and drank again. It coincided with his b'day on a Friday afternoon, the afternoon off work, and the start of the long Memorial Day weekend. A lot of triggers for him. I knew instantly (in my gut). I watched for a couple of days and then asked him if he had drank something. He denied it and went back in to the old pattern of blaming and accusing. He said that I had no proof but I told him that I didn't have the luxury of waiting for proof because he would be dead or in the throes of full fledged active drinking again by the time I would know for sure. It took about a day for him to finally admit it and when I pressed for details, he was vague and didn't like being questioned although his remorse seemed genuine and there have been no relapses since.

I just cannot imagine how a person can put his family and themselves through all that he has, accept the love, forgiveness and help that has been directed at them and then break that trust by making the DECISION to walk into the store, buy alcohol, drink it and not just being eat up with guilt. Not too much of a conscience going on in there.

Ever since this happened, my trust has been shaken all over again and I am rehashing this whole earlier episode of phone calls with this girl. I am trying to let it go (again) and start over but am having a hard time. I want answers but don't truly believe what he says and also wonder just how much an active drinker who was having blackouts at that time even truly remembers himself.  

Any words of wisdom?



-- Edited by WornOutMrsFixIt on Thursday 14th of June 2012 01:35:09 PM

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Sounds like you are describing my life! I have asked my husband to explain what is going on inside his head when he walks into the store, buys the alcohol, and then drinks it...and he just says it is as if he is someone else when that is happening. I feel your frustration and have wasted many hours--years wondering the same things. How can someone do this over and over when it impacts their family and kids. Well, it is because they are alcoholics. That is what they do. It really is not more complicated than that...which is hard to digest.

I use "Live and Let Live" as it reminds of steps 1-3. I am powerless over what the alcoholic does--he will live his life and make his choices no matter what i do or say. And it is his right to live and make those choices. So I also need to *live* my life no matter what he does...and obsessing over what he is doing is not living. I can change my day so that I am living for myself. I have to really pull my focus away and put it back on myself. It is hard, I am not always great at it but practicing it makes it easier. Those first 3 steps remind me that my sanity can be restored no matter what he is doing...it can happen with gentle awareness and as you said, letting him go (again and again and again). After almost two years in this program, I still go back to steps 1-3 a lot because it is a freaking roller coaster living with an alcoholic!

Are you able to to get to a meeting? When I am in that pit it can help pull me out. Best wishes for some peace!! You are in the right place.

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Welcome to the madness that is the disease of alcoholism.

Trust is one of the first things that gets blown to bits with this disease because the disease does all it can to protect itself and keep itself going, and lying and dishonesty are traits at the top of the list of the disease.

It may be helpful for you to get to some Al-Anon meetings. I'd also suggest attending a few open AA meetings so you get to hear what it's like from the alcoholic.

Know this disease isn't personal. It's not out to get you and hurt you. It is there, however, to try to survive in the alcoholic and it takes no prisoners when it's trying to maintain it's grasp.

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They say that alcoholism is a 'cunning and baffling' disease, and your story is further proof of the accuracy of this statement.... We can drive ourselves wacky by trying to figure out the "whys" - my wise old sponsor used to challenge me to focus on the "whats" and leave alone the "whys", as the "whys" will kill us....  A common question to ask ourselves, when we are fretting over anything, is: 

"if I knew the answer to what I am worrying about, would it really change anything?"

 

One thing I do know - from both my experience and education about this crazy disease - if it was as simple as "strong" or "conscience" or "love" - I guarantee that there wouldn't be so many thousands of people in this world afflicted with the disease of alcoholism.

I would encourage you to continue on your path of YOUR recovery

Take care

Tom



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You got some wonderful ESH here today. It has helped me greatly as I am in a similar boat as you. My AH had quit drinking when he got his DUI back in February, I knew he was going to drink again but I thought it would be like 9 months down the road or something. Nope, he drank over Memorial Day weekend when I was away. He doesn't know that I know, he hasn't been active in any recovery program, and so I knew I'd just hear lies and justifications or blaming. I chose to keep my mouth shut but the fact that I know has shattered my trust(well, whatever trust I was trying to rebuild in him anyway). There are no easy answers when dealing with someone in addict mode. It is what it is, and I am finally starting to accept that. Like Aloha said, it's not personal and they aren't doing this TO YOU, we just happen to be collateral damage. We can choose to stick around and find our own recovery while they go about drinking, etc or we can choose to leave or separate. We, too, can make choices for our lives. I have chosen to stay for now as I am trying to take things One Day at a Time!

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All I can say is that when in the throws of addiction, it controls you. The feelings of discomfort and wanting that escape are so intense - The drink is practically chanting to you "Nobody will know! They won't even find out!!! People drink every day! What's the big deal it's just a few drinks!!!?" This builds up until there is so much tension and then bam....relapse. The alcoholic's head is a mess and often stays a mess for a good while. The first step is the only one that they say we alcoholics have to get perfect. That step is the one where we fully surrender that we will NEVER be able to have just 1 drink and we will never be able to drink like a normal person.....ever. That is the step that people screw up the most. They always think they can revert back to being a controlled drinker when they can't. The big book actually states "Some of us chased this delusion to the gates of insanity."

So it's not like the thought is there "Hrm...think I'll go mess up my family and piss on all the trust and help they have given me." It's more like a squirming and uncomfortable feeling and the messed up internal dialog i stated above that is so loud is drowns out good sense. It fails to become clear and stay clear that we can't have alcohol plus our family, jobs, peace of mind, and spirituality. Alcohol robs us of that while promising that it doesn't. It's truly the only disease that tells you that you do not have it.

Not to excuse relapse or say that relapsing is not irresponsible and an awful thing to do but, when I was actively drinking, I really only cared about myself and what I could get away with. It wasn't about hurting others. It was all about me. It was always all about me. I cared about my family but my alcoholism did not and my alcoholism won out all the way up until I acknowledged fully to my very soul that even touching alcohol was going to cause me to lose everything without a doubt. Until it becomes clear that drinking = death, most people continue to tell themself lies (even well meaning folks) and fail at recovery.

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Something I have discovered in my own journey is that I'm going to know when I need to know .. the God of my understanding provides that knowledge for me. Once I know something .. here is my reality .. is knowing more going to change the end result? It's not, ... I have to deal with the information that I have and figure if this is what I know .. what I don't know is probably a whole lot more.

Then I have to make a solid decision to turn my will over to the God of my understanding and all Him to do His work. It's not up to me anymore. I then base my trust upon "qualified trust". I trust the God of my understanding and I trust myself as well. Trust isn't something that just comes back over night it's a process and any addict who is not truly recovering (practicing a program of recovery), not working the steps, giving me lip service is not someone I'm going to trust. I am learning to base my trust without having the automatic expectation that they can operate under the guise of a healthy relationship.

I love the ESH you have already received keep coming back and I agree .. going to alanon meetings is a must!!

Hugs P :)

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Thank you for sharing and reaching out. Reaching out to others is the first step towards restoring yourself to sanity and feeling better. This sounds like a tricky situation and i have compassion for you.

In al anon we learn that we are powerless over the alcoholic, and the alcoholic is powerless over alcohol. Period. Nothing can change that.

What we do have control over is our own actions, and how we take care of ourself. In my experience alcoholics don´t want to drink, just like diabetics don´t want to have blood sugar surges and drops, and cancer patients don´t want to have cancer.

Your husband is responsible for addressing his disease. You are responsible for looking at reality and basing your decisions on that.

If you continue to reach out to the msessage board and al anon meetings in your area (you can look them up online or google (al non world service) I have faith you will find solutions.

keep coming back!



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A phrase that my sponsored shared with me a few years ago was "pigeons do what pigeons do"..it has helped me to not take other peoples behaviors so personally. Keep going to al anon meetings and you will eventually, in your own time, begin to feel better.

Take good care of YOU

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First a hug!!

He has a disease. What he is doing it symptoms of the disease. That is how it is. He does not choose it, they can only fight it so long with out being on a program of recovery.Even then most relapse.

So what do you do? We accept them as is, we give them the dignity to be who and what they are. Just like what we want.

We have no right to tell another what to do or what not to do, snoop on them, look for bottles, smell their breath. Their disease is none of our business, nor are the symptoms.

I hear but I live with him,what he does affects my family.

If we choose to live with someone, we accept them as is, or we stay miserable trying to fight it when we will NEVER get what we want.

We can learn from Al Anon, ways to be able to stay with them, mostly becuz we love them.

Or we can choose to not live with them.

He is living his life, he is not using his disease to hurt you! It is how the disease manifests itself. And NO he does not make a decision like we may, to go get some alcohol. Imagine you are dying of thirst, I mean literally, that is how he feels!

Unfortunantly for an addict it is for a drug. They are born with this in their dna, they would LOVE to not be an addict. For us to harp at them, police them is so humiliating. It only adds to the horrible pains they go thru with this disease!

The most loving thing we can do is go to meetings, read literature, come here, research addiction. Have compassion, but be no part of his solution or disease.

We give it to HP, we hope our loved one will find the strength and or will or desire to go to AA and work out a recovery plan for them. And then we stay out of it also.

I did not even talk to mine or anyone about it. I say hey that is your thing not mine. I love you for you. I don't want to know if you drank or not, I want to know what you are doing? How is so an so at work, or did ya watch a good movie today?

Believe me they feel more guilty than we ever could.

You married this person because he was special to you. I learned to concentrate on that. And I tell ya, I loved mine so so very much. My changing me, allowed me to have more time with him, until the disease and the brain surgery took him one hundred per cent away from me.

I hope this helps you find some peace. Its all up to you.

Its work but worth it. love,debilyn who would like to just look at her ex AH



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An A has a thinking & drinking disease....he thinks he can drink.

Questions will never be answered honestly, resentments & fear build up, the disease holds tighter.

The man takes a drink....the drink takes a drink....the drink takes the man.

He is protecting the disease, planning for it,  lying for it........merrygoround of denial.

This is the insanity, this is why we need to keep coming back

Practice practice practice

In support

Jadie x



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Thanks everybody. Great insight, as usual. You all help keep me sane in an insane situation. Don't always like the answers but the truth is hard to hear sometimes.

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I know its been very very hard for me to grasp the total obsession with drinking that goes on with an alcoholic. I know for me the disease progressed so that I was totally obsessed with his behavior, ill with resentment and paralyzed with depression.

Some people do indeed stay sober for a long time. For some of them it means immersing themselves totally in AA. Other people dabble in and out.  I found the book 90 days by Bill Clegg really helpful in understanding the triggers, relapses and more.  I also had to really attend to my own issues. Detachment helped me a great deal and working on my own issues moved it away from being a life or death situation for me.

Of course the ex A I was didn't stop using but he is certainly alive and kicking and I am so grateful I don't believe his life hangs on my actions anymore.

Maresie.



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