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more that i dont understand.......


ok, so i have an earlier post that my A relased, but i didnt clarify what he relapsd on. He went to rehab for drinking and pain pills and what ever he could get his hands on. He didnt drink and he says he is really solid and wont ever drink, but a guy left out a line of speed, he says he ignored it for a long time....but all of a sudden...he got up and did it. he says he thought "well since thats not my problem whats the difference? " then right after he did it he thought "oh no...what have I done!" so my question for you guys... is this normal behavior for an addict? I feel the disease took over for that moment and it scared me. He admits he wasnt working the program like he should and  he fired his sponsor. He seems totally logical and knows what he did was wrong, it just reminds m that the disease is very powerful.                          

 

 

thanks guys for all your support!!!!n



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A huge part of an A's recovery is humbling themselves and total honesty - first with themselves....  Sorry to sound harsh, but that story tells me he isn't even close to 'getting it', and he's not capable of that self-honesty yet.....

An A who respects his recovery doesn't pick up another drug since "that's not my problem"....

 

Hope you are choosing recovery for you...

 

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Yes it is totally normal and even expected for an alcoholic or addict who is off of their recovery...the practice and commitment.  Glad it didn't kill him.  Just had a couple of friends "go back out again" for reasons they used to justify their use.  One almost died and the other was on his way before he got honest with HP, himself, his sponsor and the fellowship.  Glad you came here yourself.  ((((hugs)))) smile



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Alcoholics and other addicts often "trade in" their addictions for new ones.  My exAH did the same thing.  He would be insisting he wasn't an alcoholic, and therefore trying not to drink in front of me because he'd be insisting on "proving" this to me.  But he'd show up altered and it would turn out he'd been taking someone else's tranquilizers (and not only that, but more than the recommended dosage).  He'd say, "Tranquilizers are good because they stop me thinking about drinking."  Like that would mean I'd approve of tranquilizers -- "Hey, good idea!  Take more!"  He actually tried to get me to take some, so I could see how "helpful" they were.  The denial is pretty powerful.  Sometimes it looks like lack of self-honesty, and sometimes it just looks like stupidity. 

My ex also dabbled in compulsive gambling, and he's a hoarder and compulsive eater too.  He's in denial that any of these are compulsive or that they cause him any problems.  (And believe me, they cause a lot of problems.)  Denial is part of the whole syndrome.  "It just happened."  "It's not a problem for me because..."  "See, that was actually a smart decision, because..."

When I'm tempted to do something, like eat compulsively (not a big problem for me, but a very intractable small problem), I imagine myself in rehab -- for anything, it doesn't matter.  I think, Would I want to let my rehab know about this action?  If I would feel like hiding it, I know it's not a healthy action.  That doesn't always stop me from doing it, but I feel I have something of a grip if at least I'm honest about it with myself.  I think if it's only a single chocolate bar that's compulsive, maybe that's okay.  But a line of speed ... oh dear.  His thought, "What have I done!" is an interesting realization.  If we could all move that realization to before the action, we'd all be farther ahead.

Take good care of yourself.  Hugs.



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My disease is the same as theirs, I find myself snooping into a different thing of HIS and then say "what have I done? I went and let my disease take over my mind again?" And I feel awful afterwards. Unless I can find a sponsor and work this program and become part of the solution, I am going to keep on letting the disease take over like that. Substituting drugs for drugs is just more of the disease, saying this drug is ok, I don't have a problem with it...well thats just not a true statement. The disease is being allowed to win...He has to want to be sober and working his program while you work your alanon program and get busy with you. I am learning this too... its simple, and it works when we work it...its simple, but its not easy....

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I'm wondering where on earth one is hanging out where people leave lines of speed sitting around unattended for long periods of time?  That just doesn't happen in my world. confuse

Never mind, that's not the issue.

My recovering ABF, whose primary substance of abuse is alcohol, continues to use small amounts of pot daily to alter his mood.  He defends it saying the effects aren't nearly as bad as drinking, lots of people do it, it "should be legal", blah blah.

I see it as substitution.  He's not working a program, so although he may be sober he's not "clean".



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My AH tells this as part of his story ... at particular points, he thought that he could do things other than drinking because he was "just" an alcoholic. I don't know if you can characterize this behavior as "normal," but I think it is very common.



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yes, an addict/alcoholic can substitue anything for their disease to use to go numb, not feel reality and check out.  Most of the alcoholics I knew had other addictions like gambling, smoking & porn or they were narcissistic in that they could be deluded in their own minds alone w/ no substances.  I knew an alcoholic that was a work a holic, too, hid in his life working 80-100 hours each week.  It was horrible, I couldnt stand to watch him work himself to death.   so yeah, it is "normal".

 

I wonder why he "fired" his sponsor though?  Did his sponsor give him the drugs?  I mean, it is up to him to call on his sponsor, his sponsor is not a police officer or a baby sitter to his own program, he has to want to reach out for help or not.  Try to focus on YOU and work your own solid alanon program.  This is the best way to help an A, to get a program of our own and learn to identify and stop enabling them.  Define what your needs are and set boundaries around them so that you can get them met in a healthier way. 

I keep working on me and detaching with love from other's programs, personal needs, emotional and mental states - my life is my business.  It is not up to me to approve or agree with the people that I love.  We make our own choices and adults have control over themselves.   It is hard to change what you always did before and reach out for something new. The "new" is always scary.  It is up to each one of us as individuals to honor our self or not and compromise the self.  Remembmer that you cannot make him use or not, if we had that power addiction wouldnt exist for any of us.   Dont baby sit his program, work on yours and change what you dont like about yourself bc it is in our hands. 

When I began changing my behavior, my thoughts followed, then my attitude improved and my perception began changing as well.  I used to think my personality was something to combat in program - I have learned that with boundaires - I can be protected and stop compromising myself.  I quit being so resentful when I began to take charge in my own life and not focus on what others were or were not doing.  The changes become empowering and you get your personal freedom, strength and esteem back.  Take actions that will allow you to feel resepct and it will get better.  I will PM you a link to a great pamphlet on loving detachment.



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What he says means nothing. Its what they do.

For your sake there are Al Anon meetings, come here, read literature. The more we learn, the better we are at making decisions. Also we learn to look at our life, our choices not theirs.

An using addict is basically insane. Their brain is very compromised by whatever drug there is in their system.

Believe me if you choose to stay in Al anon you will understand so much!

hugs,debilyn



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Hi Dawny. Great responses. I second everyone, yep it's normal. I have experience with this. My husband went to detox, then rehab. After a few weeks in rehab he calls me bawling his eyes out telling me he got kicked out. The story at the time was that he got kicked out for taking a T3 for a toothache and so opiates showed up in his urine test.

My gut told me he was lying. 1-2 weeks later, I thought I had seen the worse but it wasn't even close. He was so messed up every night, could hardly walk, stand, made no sense, he was totally insane. Only this time, I wasn't annoyed an irritated, I was scared out of my mind, literally sick with fear and worry, that he was going to die. I checked him pulse every night.

Turns out he became addicted to Vicodin that he got hooked up with in rehab. (who woulda thought you can find a dealer in rehab and get in with all the people who run the inner city crack houses!!). uggh. He spend $600 on vicodin in 2 weeks. He went from 1 pill to 8 pills a day in 2 weeks.

He went back to detox then rehab and has been clean for just over 3 months and now he lives in a sober living home - the person he is today is totally different than the person he was 4 months ago. I agree with others in that their actions tell the story, not their words. And my husband's actions show me he is growing... but even the way he talks now is so different. He actually makes sense, can follow along in a conversation, he lives recovery.

I think my husband has also dealt with compulsive gambling and porn. Although I'm told (by 'normal' guy friends, that it's what guys do - they just watch porn). k ya whatever.

It's common to trade one addiction for another - they have an addictive personality. It's an escape from dealing with reality or life.

My husband said to me 2 months ago (so he was around a month sober at the time) that he realized how easy it is for his to become addicted to anything. That he can't ever drink or do any type of drug ever again.... that he has to learn to deal with life and not escape from it. He said he became obsessed with trying to recreate the feeling of that first 'high' from the first time he took Vicodin. It really hammered home for him how he is truly an addict, how whichever drug it is, doesn't matter.

I think when addicts are honest with themselves they don't say things like "well, I'm not addicted to pot, so this is ok" or "speed is ok cause it's an upper" or "try it, you'll see"...or whatever else such ridiculousness.

oh and my husband said the same thing when he relapsed by taking the Vicodin - he said "well pills weren't my problem so this will be ok". OK would have been asking the worker for an aspirin or whatever pain pills they have at rehab...instead of secretly taking a narcotic pain killer and crossing your fingers than they don't test your pee in the morning.







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