The material presented
here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method
to exchange
information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal
level.
Hi, I am new here and have a boyfriend who is drinking a little more than I feel comforatable with on a regular basis... and I we have talked about it some... and he tells me that as he is not hiding any of his drinking habits from me/not doing anything in secret. He tells me that means he has no problem with alcohol... how do I know if there is a problem with the alcohol consumption or not? appreciate any input/thoughts on this matter... thanks, Loshan
Alanon is for anyone that is affected by someone else's drinking/drugging. The person exhibiting that behavior rarely thinks it is a problem for them. A's (alcoholics & addicts) dont think they have a problem, they are in denial about it. Confronting an A about their behavior rarely works either bc they lie to themselves and others about their behavior. He says he is not lying and allowing u to see all that he is using. Some people (I was one of them) drink to excess, he may possibly be abusing it & himself, he enjoys getting drunk but is not compulsive about it. Addiction is an allergy of the body and a compulsion of the mind. I eventually out grew the desire to get drunk beyond recognition but I did get drunk into my forties.
Either way - if he is an addict or just a heavy, frequent abuser of alcohol ~ it is not your issue, it is your b/f's issue/life. You cannot control or change another person.
The question is why are yo with that person. Is your relationship healthy in every other way or are there issues present there? I grew up in dysfunction and chaos. Codependent enablers are addicted to chaos and other people. You cannot change your bf but you can change yourself. If you are not getting your needs met, if you feel there are emotional issues or the relationship lacks emotional intimacy, looking into yourself, facing what is lacking in your life, is somethng you can work on.
Alanon will give you coping skills for life but it cannot help you to control someone else's behavior/life. When we focus/fixate on someone else, we are losing us and feeding into the disease. The way to combat addiction and empower yourself, is to focus on YOU and work on changing what is lacking within you - not the other person. If I am concerned or worried for another person, I pray and give them to the god as I know it, and turn them over and practise faith that the god of their understanding will take care of them. Accepting other's choices is difficult but resisting reality is a lot tougher.
Did this answer ur question?
__________________
Light, Love, Peace, Blessings & Healing to Us All. God's Will Be Done. Amen.
... and he tells me that as he is not hiding any of his drinking habits from me/not doing anything in secret. He tells me that means he has no problem with alcohol... how do I know if there is a problem with the alcohol consumption or not?
Welcome to MIP, Loshan!
Hmmm, so your boyfriend thinks that drinking in secret is the only symptom of alcoholism?
My alcoholic parents drank openly, and thought that only skid row type "street people" were alcoholics -- they couldn't be alcoholics because they still had their jobs and their home.
My alcoholic former neighbour thought that his drinking wasn't a problem because he only drank beer, not hard liquor.
The rationalizations that alcoholics can come up with to deny that they have a problem are numerous and varied, but they all serve to maintain the disease.
I'm not sure how useful it is to determine whether the label of "alcoholic" is appropriate for him or not. Instead, ask yourself how his drinking behaviour has caused problems in your relationship or in his life.
__________________
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could... Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense. - Emerson
Your BF says he does not have a problem with alcohol. I guess the question to ask yourself is do you have a problem with his alcohol consumption? As kitty said, it's his life, his business. If you are concerned about it, that is your business. My Ah used to occasionally drink too much-in my opinion. As the years went by he drank more and more until he was drinking every day, sometimes drunk by 9 in the morning, would often hurt himself while drunk, etc. I was going crazy over it. I found this place and learned that I am powerless over his drinking and all my worrying, nagging, anger, were doing neither of us any good. I learned how to focus on, and take care of myself. The biggest lesson I learned was to put my AH in the hands of my Higher Power and ask that HP to take care of him because I could not. If your BFs drinking is a problem for you, I encourage you to check out the other posts and replies on here. There is a lot of knowledge and comfort to be found.
If you are concerned and uncomfortable then you have a problem, but he may not.
I met and dated a very nice man for about a year when i got uncomfortable with his drinking. It had increased in frequency and quanity. Although alot of people would say it was within socialising ranges.
Basically it came down to we are still friends, but his drinking has not changed and my fears and being uncomfortable with his drinking have not gone away. I feel like if I really trusted him I could get past the being uncomfortable and if he really wanted to date me he could not drink almost every day. The really great thing about the whole experience was having the tools to see what made me scared, address it without blame or accusations and be honest about how I was going to deal with it. Had my boundaries in place to remind me of my limits. Actually a very good learning experience on how far I have come. Keep coming back and take good care of yourself!
thanks Kitty for your response... very helpful to hear what you shared... I know that I don't want to have a boyfriend who has a real problem with alcohol... and as it is hard for me to define that... don't know if I am just over reacting to his drinking habits ... I am trying to listen to what I feel about it all... but it is hard... so it will be useful for me to share and read what others share... Loshan
My experience is that people tend to bend over backwards not to be "unfair" to drinkers. I've seen many many people who tolerated pretty extreme drinking behavior, but I don't think I've ever seen someone who made a big deal out of normal drinking. That's probably happened somewhere in the world, but my experience is that it usually goes the other way.
But if you're noticing his drinking, that means it is a problem for you. And that's fair.
You got some wonderful ES&H from the responses to your post. If I could add one other. You are listening with your heart, nothing wrong with that, but listen with your eyes also, that takes all the emotions out of the picture.
--Instead, ask yourself how his drinking behaviour has caused problems in your relationship or in his life.
ythannah, thanks for your response... this sentence stood out to me from what you wrote... I need to think about this... it has not been anything major(but maybe I am rationalizing it )... but I know I feel uncomfortable in the presence of a drunk person... as it feels like I am with another person... don't know how to relate to the same one when he is drunk... I will keep this in the back of my mind and see if I feel it is causing problems for me...
thanks Jennifer, I need to learn more about all of this to see what boundaries I need to set... and how to set them... maybe a boundary for me could be that when he is drunk I will leave or not spend time with him as it makes me feel very uncomfortable... i order to take care of me and how I feel about it... I tend to accept things even if I don't like it... and don't show or act on my gut feeling... I am learning more and more to listen to my gut feeling... and I am more aware of it now... but still don't always act on it... as I feel confused about how to act... maybe I don't have a plan for how to act...
Wow, yes... in ur response to jennifer, u are saying that u tolerate things even if u dont like them - that is accepting abuse (abuse means = mistreatment in webster's) and toelrating it. We teach othrs how to treat us by what we allow or disallow. I sent u the guidelines and u are already on the right track to taking care of YOU thru boundaries. In a dysfunctionl home we learn no boundaries.
I have a yello sticky on my pc that reads: Listen with your eyes. That was a great one for me too, bc I am so very analytical, I would cling to the words spoken, the empoty promises and the betrayals that go with them. Ultimately I was hurting myself by beliveing and buying into the lies, promises and expectations of people that are incapable of performing, functioning "normally" or in a healthy way. Behavior shows us the reality, it is the truth. The A lies to us and themselves. We dont have to tolerate that. We do need to accept reality and evaluate what we are doing. I try to re evaluate in program constantly. If soemthing isnt working, I can tweak a boundary or my behvior.
I also had to define what my true needs are and for a realtionship and seperate them from the fantsies I held as true. I did have to grieve some of my fantasies that I had about my own life, as my life wasnt working out like Id expected as a youngster. FAcing what is, accepting it and then defining my needs, allows me to make changes - which is empowering. I had to learn to put me - in front of others people, bc I idealized others and put them on a pedestal, which again - only hurt me in the end.
Setting and following boundaries, did give me a plan of action to take - so I could have an action to take, not just stand there being abused. I felt the same way, that I did not know how to act or to protect myself. Boundaries changed all of that for me, plus it gave me self esteem back, self respect (which I never had) and emotional detachment from the emotional soup of enmeshment I grew up in.
__________________
Light, Love, Peace, Blessings & Healing to Us All. God's Will Be Done. Amen.
Loshan Welcome to MIP !!!!! All i can do is say if it's a problem for you then you are in the right place ! Only your boyfriend when or if he is ready to tell you if he's an alcholic But RLC gave you great adivce in saying Listening to your eyes and not what you are being told. Trust your instincts because believe me Alcholics/addicts are master manipulators and they will make you believe you are not seeing what is right before your eyes. They will get you to doubt yourself to the point where you really do believe that YOU are the crazy one. I hope you get to meetings and keep posting. You have taken a great first step keep comin back! Blessings