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Love? or addiction?


Just finished watching the movie.."When Love is not Enough"..the story of Lois Wilson.I teared up during the movie,but not until he got sober.After it was over,I cried the 'ugly' cry as Oprah calls it, lol.

I identified with her sometimes.I saw as never before the way I had totally given up my life and focused on him.It seemed to me that Lois had a better sense of self esteem than I did.She had loving parents who were not alcoholics.I grew up with an alcoholic father and all my siblings became alcoholics.I felt ignored,made fun of,different,abandonned,alone,afraid when I was a child.Took that fear into my adulthood.Married an alcoholic,tho I didn't know it at the time,when I was 17.He said he loved me,I believed that,and I believed he would always love me and  take care of me.I guess I saw in him the things I longed for as a child.To matter to someone,feel special.That I was not weird,I was ok,worthy of love.Guess I thought he could give all that to me.I never let that dream go,I never gave up on getting all that from him.

Turns out,all these years it was I who was taking care of HIM,while no one was taking care of me.I continued to believe with all my heart,as deeply as I could believe anything,that he loved me and always would.I NEEDED to believe that.

It was more than he could do.No one can be everything to us,make all our fears go away,take away the pain and neglect of childhood,and make us whole.That is a tall order for anyone but especially for an alcoholic.He says he drank to escape himself.
He had alot on his own plate.He also had grown up with an alcoholic father.

In 2006 he said he didn't love me and isn't sure he ever did.There is no way I was going to accept that.I had too much wrapped up in believeing that he did.It was all that kept me going for 37 years.

I accept it now.It's ok.If someone doesn't love you,it is what it is.I've had alot of time to deal with it.He needed me,and I needed to be needed.

But,I wonder now....for me, WAS it love or was it addiction to him?

Dru 




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Aloha Dru...It took alot of time for me to arrive at the answer for me and I am glad
I was in program with all of the help and ESH from the fellowship.    I had to take me
apart piece by piece and little pieces at that...what I knew, what I believed and what
I did.  When I got to program I was Dillusional about much of everything and I can
admit to not knowing about alcoholism either.   "I didn't know and I didn't know that
I didn't know."  I had to stop and break myself down before I learned it was addiction
and I didn't know what love was in any way, shape or form.  Even the definition of
Love I have today comes from another elder member of the Family Groups and I
find that it is real and different than what I was doing before which was addiction.
I "needed" and because of that couldn't "love"...there was too much fear involved
to make it love.  I learned love the way HP loves me.  "The complete and total
acceptance of every other human being for exactly who they are."  HP accepts me
unconditionally and I feel loved by it.  "Acceptance without condition"  how would I
have arrived at that unless I was here.  This is how Al-Anon loves and I learned to
include myself in the practice.    I had to take myself apart and rediscover what
came from where and how long had I practiced it and how did that turn out?  Of
course you know...I'm here.   When I learned that my hands could separate and
I could let go of holding my alcoholic so close and tightly and let her go without
fear I learned to love the way I was.  

A friend told me of a friend of hers who was separated from her husband and the
husband wanted to come back home.  My friend told me that her friend told her
husband, "I love you and I like having you here and I don't need you."  The
story freaked me out and I left and couldn't help but stopping several blocks from
her place and thinking about what I was told and how I had reacted mind, body
spirit and emotions.  My sponsor had clued me that anytime I was affected so
strongly by new input I needed to stop everything and consider it.  I'm grateful
for that lesson because when I did I learned about Jerry F and his beliefs and
expectations and my friend's friend was honest and more mature and free.  I have
found today that love mostly is a characteristic of some people.  It isn't something
they choose to feel for some reason or none but it is what they do, all the time with
everyone else.  When my Al-Anon sister gave me her definition of love she didn't
say "....acceptance of the alcoholic..."  She said, "every other person or human
being" and I got the lesson.  I was addicted to my alcoholic wife.  If you looked at
how I treated her and others while the disease was raging you would be hard pressed
to find any evidence of love...lots of other power and control and manipulation and
of course compulsive need (addiction) but not love.  I didn't know how and didn't
know that I didn't know how.

Today is different and I'm glad to know the difference and how to act it out always.
I hope you find your answer also.  Break it down, pick up the pieces and ask yourself
and others, "was this love or something else?"      The courage to change the things
you can...   (((((hugs))))) in support.  smile

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Dear Dru

What a powerful thoughtful posting.  Thank you for the well thought out insight and of coarse the question?  Did I in fact love him or was it addiction? 

I loved Jerry's response and agree with the process he suggested as well as his defination of "LOVE. "  I think that I always knew that defination of love and "thought" I practiced it.

As I deconstructed myself and my motives,  I found my "Love" was not unconditonal .   Were my actions and feelings influenced by this terrible disease? You bet.  Did I do the best I could with what I had? Absolutely. 

Now that I have myself and HP  firmly in my life can I love completely unconditionally?   

Absolutely because I no longer NEED.  I can want and care but I only NEED HP and this program to live a successful life.

I believe we are imperfect beings and make our decisions based on the information we had at the time.  Thank GOd for ALAnon.  It has enriched my body, mind and spirit and  given me tools to forgive myself and rebuild myself and my life into a beautiful place where I am pleased to dwell.  The past is merely a stepping stone to where we are now.  I love this process.

Your in recovery. 

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I appreciate the topic (((Dru)))

First of all, I want to comment on him telling you he never loved you.... I hear this so often in the program. I believe it's a perfect way to verbally stab someone. Keep in mind, hurt people... hurt people. Can two people be married for 37 yrs and not love???? I hardly think so.

My husband said it to me at the time of our divorce too. When I had decided to stop my own drinking, our 26-year marriage began to crumble. Suddenly, he had no enabler. As a result, he suddenly didn't "love" me anymore. I know it's all ego, so I forgive him. Hey, an alcoholic has no use for a wife who won't support him anymore, right?

Still, I feared divorce with every fiber of my being... I believed HE was the one taking care of me for 26 years. I had made him my HP. Our lives were soooo enmeshed, I couldn't imagine living without him. Yes, I was certainly addicted to him. Like you, I had focused on him for so many years...... I was there for him, he was there for him..... who was there for me??

That is my part, I wasn't present for myself. I was so busy in others lives, I didn't consider focusing on myself. Growing up in an alcoholic family, to get any attention, I learned I had to be a people pleaser and an approval seeker. I learned it well.

I still work on forgiving myself, I owe amends to ME.

Today, I am grateful for a program that teaches me, that I matter. I matter to my loving HP and I matter to ME. And that it's totally okay if people don't like me. (....of course, I need a fellowship to love me unconditionally and back me up on this, hahaha)

Thanks for posting.

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