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New to the forum and I just wanted to say that it has been a HUGE help reading through all of the posts and the stickies, mainly its just really comforting to know that there are many people out there who have had the same Is it me? or Am I crazy? thoughts as me. Sure it helps talking to friends and family, and even though I need to let go and start to move on, theres something holding me back, whether its conscious or unconscious Ive got some kind of block up where Im not thinking clearly and still rationalizing and blaming myself.
So here goes. Just got out of a relationship with a man I suspect to be an alcoholic and marijuana addict. Even now Im trying to rationalize and convince myself he isnt, but even if hes not a textbook alcoholic/addict, I just know I have a problem with his behavior, and he didnt seem to care when I brought that fact up to him. But basically heres a smattering of his behaviors, please feel free to chime in on whether or not this seems problematic:
Drinks alone, even after I have gone to sleep Cant seem to control himself theres no stop mechanism in his brain Routinely passes out, in public, at friends houses and at home Has one DUI but has driven drunk on several occasions Blatantly copes with stress by drinking (I lied to him and his response was to buy a 24 pack and I was just expected to be ok with that because I had done wrong) I asked him to cut back on smoking weed, he said he would, he finished a bag yet continued to smoke the resin in his bong every day Has some kind of compulsion when it comes to substances hed get drunk and crave weed, he just had to smoke it and reverted to almost a childlike insistence on smoking Frequently irritable, mood swings, emotionally distant Father was an abusive alcoholic that left their family brother and sister have issues with anxiety and depression
We were involved in a long distance relationship for 8 months and he suggested I move in with him, so I did. I knew that he was a drinker and smoked weed, but I of course made excuses for the red flags and rationalized in my head thinking he was just a partier. He also told me this behavior wouldnt continue when I was up there following one of his binge nights when he had promised to call but didnt, I knew he was too drunk to remember and he was apologetic and remorseful when he said This s**t isnt going to happen when youre up here. He had also told me he wanted to cut back on smoking. Of course he was just telling me what I wanted to hear so Id move in with him. The transition was hard, and I felt like I wasnt getting enough emotional support and understanding from him. Basically the second night I was there we went to a friends house and I met all of his friends/coworkers for the first time. He got wasted and passed out and we were forced to sleep there, despite me asking him before hand to please not get so drunk that wed have to stay there, leaving me feeling abandoned and feeling really unimportant. I was left to drag his dead-weight body off the couch upstairs, and one of his friends came over and laughed about it. He just gets this way sometimeshes really heavy isnt he!
WHAT?? Seems to be enabling behavior to me. But of course at the time, I thought it was normal, he had friends and a great job and seemed to have things in order. But the drunken pass-outs continued, the slurring, the stumbling, the drinking entire bottles of vodka in addition to beers, the getting noticeably more drunk than everyone else during the week, the chronic weed smoking and then the chronic resin smoking, and his response to my Maybe you should slow it down? requests was to get pissed, say that he didnt have a problem and was just trying to have fun with his friends.
His behavior was erratic and strange. At a party with his co-workers (including one with whom hed had a NSA relationship right before me and in fact he was still sleeping with her when we met) he acted distant and didnt seem to want to pay any attention to me. When I confronted him about it he skirted the issue and just said that he felt sorry for her as she had gotten pregnant by her ex (who shed apparently left my XABF foraccording to him.) But aside from that, he seemed generally unhappy with me and seemed much happier engaging with others, a people-pleaser if you will. Im not sure if I was the crazy one or if there were deeper issues there, but I felt worthless in his life. I began to question my place in his life and wondered if he was talking to someone else, wondered if there were things he hadnt told me about this girl or any of his other relationships, since I slowly began to distrust him and lose respect for him. I looked through his emails and lied to him about it, but eventually told him the truth. The dynamics of our relationship changed after that. He seemed unhappy unless he was drinking/smoking/partying/hanging out with people that werent me, and our sex life, which wasnt that great to begin with (he had some erectile issues) began to dwindle as I no longer wanted to sleep with a drunk. Of course he blamed that on our chemistry being off. But after a day of fighting and one night with me feeling particularly attacked by him, we got back to the house and in a fit of rage I threw some remotes at the wall and ended up breaking his tv. I now realize that was an attempt to get his attention, in a very dramatic and extreme way. But that was it. He wanted me to leave. Despite me moving all the way for him, he essentially kicked me out of his house despite my apologies and explanations.
But before I left it was a constant mind game. Hed say things like I need you and then I need you to be different. Suddenly I became the selfish one, the immature one, the angry one, the one with a problem. I left thinking he was going to work on things, that maybe he just couldnt be around me. He said he loved me and wanted to forgive me and get over what had happened. And a week after I had gotten home he called me up saying all these things. Turns out he was drunk. We continued to do the long-distance thing but two days before he was going to be out of the country for work, he calls me up saying that things have been hard with us apart, and that he doesnt want to be in a relationship since he doesnt think he can trust me to be faithful because he has trust issues with me now. So after being strung along, going back and forth with the mind games, after the promises of wanting to work through things and forgive, the alcoholic/addict dumps me.
I just feel like a fool, for believing his promises, for believing that he really wanted to change his behavior, for believing that I might be important enough for him to cut back, for believing that I was any more permanent than any of the other women that have let him down. I should have known from the get-go when he said he was looking for perfection that trouble was down the road, and I would end up disappointing him just as everyone else had.
If youve read this far, thanks for sticking with it. I know I screwed up too in our relationship, but Im confused as his inability to see things other than black and white and inability to forgive and take some responsibility for the demise of the relationship. Id appreciate any input that might attempt an explanation at his behavior. For the longest time I was the one for him, our relationship was great (even though I did overlook some troubling behavior continuing to drink through the night when he came to visit me for the first time after I had fallen asleep, almost passing out in a bar and me having to drag his stumbling body out, trolling for weed from strangers, etc.). In my mind there are two sides to him: theres the ACOA side that grew up in a horrible situation with an abusive alcoholic father, so I can be understanding of how he reacts to things the way he does. But then theres the side of him thats actively engaging in these dangerous behaviors despite his history and addictive tendencies, the side that didnt really care that I had a problem with things, the side that said Well, thats just what my dad gave me when I told him how his drinking was scaring me.
I dont even know why Im asking these questions or still obsessing. Hes broken up with me and made it very clear that he thinks everything is my fault and that he really doesnt want to speak with me. Why cant I let go? Why am I holding on to this unhealthy relationship? Did I overreact to his behaviors, or is he really an alcoholic/addict? Am I a horrible person for doing those things to him? Do I deserve forgiveness? If you really love someone, dont you want to forgive and work things out, and is his inability to do so characteristic of alcoholics/addicts? Is there any help for him?
Hi Queenie--The wonderful thing about Al Anon is that, no matter what the alcholic/drug addict does, doesn't do, goes through or goes for, you can have a happy life. the only requirement for membership is being effected by someone's drinking. You're absolutely right, this is a tough deal. I do recommend that you find local meetings with real people who will be able to help you.
Your last question: Is there help for him? Answer: Only if and when he seeks help. That is his choice, only he can make that decision. You asked lots of questions in your post. We don't give advice in Al-Anon but there are several of your questions I can answer for you, but "all" your questions can be answered for you, by you, in the rooms of f2f Al-Anon meetings.
I am glad you have been reading prior post on this board. You can find priceless information from many members with years of ESH under their belt. Many members here have walked in your shoes. We have all been affected by the disease of Alocholism and our lives became unmanageable.
You are not crazy, you have only been living with the effects of this disease. Look again at your list of his problematic behavior. They are all clear signs of this disease. The disease always wins ever time you come in contact with it. Alocholism is cunning, baffling, powerful, and can end in death if the alocholic does not seek help.
In my opinion the best thing that has happened to you was being kicked out of the situation you were in. That was a blessing. Now it is time for you to start taking care of you. How do you do that? Here are a few ways. Keep coming back to this board. I urge you to start attending f2f meetings. Nothing can replace the meetings. You will find others there who will understand what you have been going through. You will be greeted by a new loving, caring family who will offer you their ESH. Read all the information you can get on the disease. Pick up all the free material that is offered at the meetings. You will get better. Your life will improve. I know first hand, and I also know the best thing I ever did for myself was jump into this program with both feet and make it a part of my everyday life.
Please consider doing the same. I promise you will never regret it.
HUGS, RLC
-- Edited by RLC on Saturday 15th of August 2009 03:55:16 PM
Once again I read a post that is eerily similar to mine. Sounds like you and I think alot alike. Some folks can move on from a situation and accept that it is what it is. Then there's folks like you and me - we want to understand, want answers, and want accountability on the part of the other.
"If youve read this far, thanks for sticking with it. I know I screwed up too in our relationship, but Im confused as his inability to see things other than black and white and inability to forgive and take some responsibility for the demise of the relationship."
I still haven't heard from mine after our relationship broke up. No "I'm sorry for what I did." No "It really wasn't all your fault." etc. And I probably never will.
Here's what I've learned in the short time I've been in this group:
Addicts are master manipulators and controllers who live in such a state of denial over their addictions that it is routine for them to blame others for their problems. You wouldn't think they'd be that smart at manipulation, but they are. It comes from so many years of active practicing.
If you really love someone, dont you want to forgive and work things out, and is his inability to do so characteristic of alcoholics/addicts?
Again, another concept I can relate to, but have learned that the addict loves their drug more than anything in this world. They love it even more than themselves. Know that if they have to make a choice between loving you or their drug the choice will always be for the drug/alcohol.
Don't feel like a fool. It is difficult to make sense of something so senseless. I've been there - and still am - but the more I read about alcoholism the more I find I'm able to detach from him and the effects of his addiction. I realize they are completely powerless over their addiction. Making you feel low makes them feel bigger.
Despite the heartbreak and the pain, the breakup was the right thing for me. I trust that in time you will discover the same. Remember ~ you deserve so much better for you and only you can give it to yourself.
Hang in there and know that the answers will come and everything will be ok.
HAWK
P.S. A few days ago I wrote a post titled "After a night of..." Or something like that. I found some information online that might help lend some suggestions on helping to detach. I read it every day, several times, and little by little it's helping.