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Hi All, I'm new here, but I'm not new to Alanon, nor am I new to on-line support groups. Background: I've been with my AH for 23 years. When I was first w/him, he was actively drinking. I was a single mom of 3 kids, xh abandoned us and we haven't heard from him since, no child support, no nothing (and he was not an A). AH supported me and my 3 kids for over two years, paid our rent, put food on the table, etc. I was a stay at home mom. Anyway, after 2 or so years of living with an active A, him getting drunk at work and passing out as soon as he got home, me having to keep my kids quiet (I didn't want him to wake up as I didn't want to deal w/him), I got job training, got a job, and left him for 3 weeks while I made arrangements to have him evicted from our apt. During that time, he drank himself into oblivion, then called his mother and asked her to take him to detox and after that, he went to rehab. I had a no-contact rule, he wrote me from rehab, when he got out we "dated" once a week, he worked his program and did what he had to do. After about 1 1/2 years, we got married, bought a house, raised a family, life was real good. He was sober for over 14 years without one single relapse! Best husband and father you can ever have. About 5 years ago, he relapsed after he hurt his shoulder. Then he had to have surgery on it, plus triple hernia surgery, which left him home-bound for almost 6 months. I'm not making excuses, but that is when he really spiraled out of control. He's not an abusive drunk, although there are times he's behaved unacceptable and where some might say was emotionally abusive. At times, he has put me thru hell, but only when drunk. He is not like that sober. But most of the time he is a mushy drunk, wants to hug, kiss, be w/me, etc. He is like a little child that commands my attention, and it totally grates on my nerves. He's a binge drinker, he can drink daily for months on end, then stop for a week or two, then it starts all over again. Last year, after he almost died from a blood alcohol level of over .40, he went to rehab and was sober for 3 months. He has relapsed ever since. Problem is, he also has liver disease which affects his brain when he drinks, and his dr. (in my presence) said if he continues on this path, he may only live another 6 mos. to a year, but if he lingers longer than that, it won't be pretty. He was at the verge of losing his job just last week, they won't put up with it. I belong to another on line support forum, who has followed my journey for the past 2 years, and I am getting the impression that they are sick of me cause I won't leave him. I know they are trying to be helpful when they say if I won't help myself, they kinda don't want to hear it. The reason I started going to Alanon (f2f meetings 3 or more times a week) about 2 years ago and coming online was cause I was under the impression that Alanon can teach us compassion for the A, love the person, not the disease, etc. But I am not finding that to be true in either case. To be perfectly honest here, I am torn about leaving my A. I love him, but I also love me. He was a wonderful husband and father (and grandfather), and that man is not really w/us anymore, except on fleeting moments of sobriety, but he is good and kind and I know he doesn't want to be this way. He was so good to us for so many years, to just abandon him now, when he could possibly die, just seems so cold. I feel I kinda owe him that much to stay with him. I saw lawyers last year when I was contemplating divorce, it would be very expensive, and I'd stand to lose alot, especially in legal fees while the attorney would be arguing all the time with an alcoholic (he didn't plan on getting his own attorney). Yet when he is drunk for months on end, acting like a child and commanding all my attention, I get so frustrated that I wish he would die and get it over with already! Then I hate myself for feeling that way. I have detached, I don't give him my attention when he wants it, he pouts then sooner or later he passes out. So I don't give in to him. And I try not to enable him, even when he would be late for work or miss work due to his drinking. Why I'm really here is to learn the tools to have compassion for him and get thru these bouts without resentment, anger, frustration and hatred in order to stay in my marriage. Alanon says we can be happy, even if the alcoholic is still drinking. Well how? If any of you have any ideas, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
My ex-A is living with me at present and still drinking. I have learned a lot by coming here to this board. I find that I focus on me now and even if things really annoy me I am actually focusing on myself. I would not have done this before. I too am wrapped up in the guilt thing, ex-a was very ill. I do not enable any more, do not drive with him and am cordial and polite to him even though I absolutely hated him when he moved in with me. He had incidentally never lived with me during our relationship. I still find he annoys me and I do put things down to the disease but can make decisions now. I am not sure if I could have coped with the guilt but maybe I should have, am not sure either way this board allowed me to develop and see my needs, acknowledge my anger and generally move on. I still have the bouts of terrifying anger though so I wish you the best and hope that it helps to be here for you,
Welcome to MIP. My heart just goes out to you. 23 years is a long time. And I understand the frustrations and anger, etc. It is okay to be angry at the disease - yup it sure is! To watch a beautiful person be destroyed by this disease is awful.
It sounds to me like you are using some Alanon tools really well. It also sounds to me like you are in a grieving process. Have you read the new Alanon book Opening our Hearts Transforming our Losses yet? Its really good.
I was a single mom of 4 when I met my A. So part of your story I can really relate to. Of course not everything is the same, which is why I'm no longer with mine (divorce was final last week), but up until a year ago I would and did say I had serenity in my life. Things I did were to focus on myself and stay busy with things I liked to do. Made an effort to see friends, did service work in Alanon, went for massages, etc. Mine wasn't home all the time (on the road trucker), so that made it easier too. Didn't have the disease in my face all the time. When he was home and started with the binge drinking, well thats when I'd seek out my alanon friends more and really worked on focusing my mind and thoughts on positive things. Truly lived in the day - not in the past or future. And I really relate to how it affects their mind... I could see that degeneration in mine too. The funny thing is, when we separated, thats when he finally decided he needed to go to AA. Says he is sober now - I wouldn't know, hope so because if not he's not going to have a mind left. I couldn't stay with mine because of the verbal abuse and some basic differences in our values and thoughts on raising/dealing with the children.
All I could suggest is to keep talking to us. Let us know what you do for yourself when you start feeling those resentments, anger, frustrations. I'm sure others will share what they have done to find and maintain their serenity.
Take care, Kis
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Let your light shine in the darkness. "I can't just bring my mind to meetings...I must also bring my heart."
Here is a quote that I cut and pasted from an earlier post, and it is from Toby Rice Drews, author of the "Getting Them Sober" books....
"As one of my chapter titles in my books says, "no one has the right to tell you to leave the alcoholic---------not even your counselor"."
I'm guessing that it is "people", and not "Al-Anon" that are judging you, or trying to encourage you to leave or change things before your time.... I don't believe that Al-Anon does anything except encourage you to grow and get yourself healthy, regardless of what the A is or isn't doing....
Hopefully you will find this a place of encouragement and support.... There are many good people on this site, with a wide variety of experience and circumstances....
Take care Tom
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"What you think of me is none of my business"
"If you knew the answer to what you are worrying about, would it REALLY change anything?"
Thank you so much, all of you, for your understanding. I feel I'm in a much better place right now just speaking with all of you. I think this place is going to do me a world of good. I've been reading alot of the other posts today, and this appears to be exactly what I've been looking for, a place to help me on my journey for me, recovery for me, whether I stay w/my A or not. Leaving may be the answer for some, but I don't think it will work for me right now. I've explored my options, and like I said, I do love him, he's a good person, and I know he doesn't want to be like this. This week he is sober, since his suspension from work last week. Told me he was going to call his sponsor, get back to AA, and maybe talk to our dr. about antidepressants. That was on Sunday. It's Wednesday, and hasn't done any of it so far. So I'm assuming it's just a matter of time before he drinks again. That's when I need to kick in my coping skills full force, which is going to be hard. Are you all ready for me????
Welcome again to MIP. We come here for ourselves without it being selfish as we have the need to be healthy mind body spirit and emotion. An-Anon has the answers. We can't get the alcoholic sober...We didn't Cause it, can't Control it and can Cure it. This applies to other situations also. If a person in this program refuses to work the program as it is suggested we are just as powerless to help them find the peace of mind and serenity they need.
You have had some tough times and have some real issues on your plate right now. The very first thing I had to learn coming into this program was to get still and quiet and keep and open mind. When at meetings I was to listen and not talk (because I didn't have anything that they needed for recovery). I learned the steps and the traditions and the slogans and got a sponsor (this all didn't happen over night as I was skeptical and reluctant to let go of my habits) and practiced, practiced, practiced what I was learning that was helping others to recovery. Al-Anon never suggested I get a divorce from my alcoholic; indeed it helped me to have love for my alcoholic before I divorced her and I can surely say that we did love each other when we parted and had no reason to be married. Strange yet true for my experience. My justifications for marrying her in the first place were out of kilter and I had to set things straight for me. She continued to drink until she had enough and went into recovery. If she is still there I don't know. I wish all alcoholics and their family, friends and associates find this program of recovery. It works best and it is simplest.
Prayers for you and your alcoholic and your family. Recovery has lots to offer the family if the family wants it enough.
(((((((Queenie))))))) On this site we also have meetings. If you look at the top of this page on the left hand side you will the option to enter the Meeting/Chat room. If you click on it you will be sent to the chat room and the times for the meetings are listed there. BUT you can go there any time and usually there are people in there chatting. You can go there and chat too. Not just about Alanon either, we chat about all kinds of things. I have gone there during really rough times and found people there. I was even fortunate enough to help another person there. I had no idea I had that ability but I was there she was there and HP hooked us up. I am by no means at the stage of my recovery to be a sponsor or anything like that we just happened to be there at the same time. It sounds like you are quite overwhelmed, and my "testimony" about this site is you are where you need to be right now. Keep coming back, keep posting and try the meetings! That is my suggestion to you in your situation. That is what I did and that is what helped me. I use the posting to get things out of my head and air them out so I have more room in my brain to enjoy my serenity or at least work on my serenity. Reading the posts reminded me that I was not the only person on earth with the insanity I was dealing with, that gave me some relief. There are so many wonderful people here who just want to help and NOT JUDGE! So many have been there, done that and they have so much compassion to share with you. I can't say enough about the support I have received here. But it is you comfort level that you have to attend to. WE ARE HERE FOR YOU! Please keep coming back. It worked for me so I hope it can work for you too!! WELCOME!!!
Welcome to MIP...this is an awesome forum. There is alot of wisdom from members here. I have found compassion, strength, courage and love. Glad you found this forum...I found it when I was going thru a really rough time. I do go to f2f meeting and try to make the morning chat meeting everyday. So sorry you are going through so much right now. One suggestion that was made to me and I do use it is to take care of me. I found it was essential in my recovery. Remember you are not responsible for what anyone else thinks or what their opinion is. Your decisions are yours to make...no one else has the right to tell you what they should be. Keep coming back and posting...i agree with what was said by another member...post here and get it out of your head...we are all here for you. your friend in recovery, rosie
Welcome to the MIP family! Here you will find great experience, hope, strength, wisdom and humor (good for the ). I have always said that I love my husband with all my heart. I hate his disease. I have not been with my AH as long as you have. Although I have known him for 25 years, long before we both knew he had a problem. Like yours, mine is a gentle soul, kind and loving. When he drinks he's a pain in the neck.
No one can or should tell you whether or not you should leave your A. A support group should offer support, not advice. If you life or the lives of your children were in danger, then I think it is responsibel to encourage you to seek professional help. But if they are giving you flack for staying, then it's time to leave that group, IMHO. I had to look around for another Alanon group because there were "issues" with them. I just didn't feel at home.
I did ask mine to leave a couple of years ago. Then things changed. He got really sick, then sober and now it's on and off. We too are facing some other health issues. I think for me, the choice is about how I handle things. There are days when I just want him to leave even for a bit. Other times, I just want to hold him close. There are going to be good days and bad days and so so days. When I look back, I wouldn't change a thing. He's the man I love and he has a disease. Would he leave me if I had cancer? I don't think so. The choice is yours and yours alone. No matter what you decide, we will always be here for you. Love and blessings to you and your family.
Live strong, Karilynn & Pipers Kitty <--the cat
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Queenie, your life sounds like it could be mine, only I have been with the A for 26 years, we separated for 6 months, but I suffered a minor stroke and he came back, he was in detox last week, came out, started drinking again, fell down our stairs, Paramedics took him to er, he was released, and managed to get a DUI, was arrested , I really fought with myself about that one, I could have left him in jail, but I bailed him out, because he would have been there for 30 days, his bail was $100,000. It cost $10,000. up front and our house as collateral, since he rearended another party. Today he has to go see the lawyer, he has the same as your A, liver damage, plus he is a diabetic. I didnt know that liver damage effected the brain. I have prepared for the A's death if thats what happens. It appears that AA doesnt have a great recovery percentage, because I believe its totally genetic and physical and the compulsion, its really not their fault. It has just been our misfortune to fall in love with Alcoholics, I know Al-anon helps immensely, also prayer, lots of it. I know what your saying, my husband has always been a hard worker, but they say thats part of the alcoholism too, workaholic!!!! Whatever, its your choice to stay or go, nothing you could do would change anything the alcoholic would do, they will always choose drinking over anything. My husband is 53 and acts retarted, he is a vodka drinker, the bottle are under his pillow and yes , I beleive they drink because they usually have a secondary mental problem going on, they are usually abused kids, All this does not change the fact, that they are really diseased. Yes, he did some great things for you and the kids, but give yourself a break you were with him also. Stay with Alanon its helpful, Im not saying there isnt anything else to help because there are many alternatives, Im also a Buddhist and I chant , Nam Myho Renge Kyo, this has changed my life. The only way a negative thing can change is for it to come out. Sometimes death is the bottom for an alcoholic, there isnt anything you can change about him or make him want to live. But your alive and you need to live your life as you see it should be. Good luck, you can email me at bbutterfly46@aol.com anytime if you need to talk
I just want to thank you all for your words of wisdom and compassion. It has made me already feel so much better. I feel now I have a safe place to come and share, where no one will judge me or get upset with me for sticking it out (or at least trying to) and I will learn the tools necessary for my own recovery. I have already learned so much from reading the posts at MIP. Want to hear something strange???? Last Friday, a friend of mine sent me an e-mail (one of those prayer things). It said something about if you pray hard enough, you will receive your miracle. So I said that prayer for several days, hoping for a miracle. And then I was seaching for an online support group and I found MIP!!!! HP works in mysterious ways.