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First, one can obviously see that I am alone on a Friday night by my many posts. The post about weakness and kindness triggered some introspection in me. I think it is possible that the reason that I am willing to trady my serenity for his chaos and rejection is because I actually love him more than I love myself. I care more how he feels than how I feel. This is not the adult woman I thought I would be. In some ways I am so independent- single mom, finished graduate degree while working, just bought my first home, etc. Yet, I just said admitted to others that I care more about a man who doesn't care half as much for me- than I do myself. Embarrassing and Depressing. It's a good thing I have a therapist appt coming up... :)
"I think self acceptance goes a long way toward not being WILLING to put your hand in the fire again. If I accept and value myself enough then I do not have to have that person to make me ok. I think a big codependent issue is our definition of caring. How much is real and how much is a smokescreen for our neediness? I was able to truely enforce my boundaries when I was able to say," I love me and I do not want anyone I love to live this way. I am only in control of me, though, and I do not have to live this way. I will not go there with you anymore. " I think we only make a valiant effort to protect that which we truely value. We must value ourselves."
This was from Jen in another recent post. Jen, I hope its OK if I did this!! I just think this really applies. Its a really important point you make. One that really hit home for me and it might for CoDe, too. Anyway, all, take what you like and leave the rest!
What I saw in your post was the first "A" of our Al-Anon 3 A's. Those are Awareness, Acceptance, and Action. So hey, you are becoming aware! This is great! Without that first A of Awareness, we wouldn't know what we need to look at as to whether we can Accept something or not, and we certainly wouldn't know what Action to take either. Keep on keeping on... self-awareness is a wonderful journey.
Much love to you, Kis
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Let your light shine in the darkness. "I can't just bring my mind to meetings...I must also bring my heart."
Co what comes to my mind is, is this love you feel for him, or is it love you feel for the man you wish he was,or what he used to be?
Also what would it feel like to love you? I invite you to go buy yourself some flowers, or just one. Get a bird feeder for you to watch. Get some warm,soft slippers.
Make yourself tea, make a bubble bath with candles and some nice oils.
I like pretty nightgowns.
If you could go above you and look down, and watch you, what would you do for her? How would your life look like if it was a tv show?
I know I did that and I got really mad at that diseased controlled guy hurting that cute,rounded lady who was so full of love for animals and always looked at the positive.
We have to learn to look at what makes us loveable. It does not just happen. I don't like fingernail polish but I do do my toes and buff my feet. I have sorta long hair and have my daughter trim it when I see her. Makes me feel better to have sorta wavey thick, healthy hair.
I feel the love inside me for my A. I do know he is as horribly in love with me as I am with him. Sadly the disease is stronger than his love.
Now I am so ready for a new mate.
Anyway I guess I really want to invite you to learn to love you.
Welcome again to the Board and I hope to Al-Anon. I am sorry that you were struggling Friday night, but know that what you are feeling is normal and that many of us have been there too!!
I guess that, technically, I wasn't alone the entire night on Friday. For at least part of the night, I was at my home group Al-Anon meeting and then 5 of us went to Starbucks for our "meeting after the meeting" and I didn't get home til later.
When I first came into Al-Anon, I was so desperate and lost. So many questions after 6 years of living for someone else who, in the end, acted as though he could throw me away without a second thought. My mind was like a "squirrel on crack" and the obsessive thinking would not stop: how did I get here?? why do I need him so much when he doesn't seem to need or want me?? how do I get my life back?? what is a life? how do I live it with him? doesn't he love me? why not? how could I have let him treat me that way? UGH....the questions were endless.
I was, however, able to identify the most important question-at that time-which was: How do I live through the weekend without him?? I learned that it was important for me to "bookend" my weekends. For a long time, I went to a meeting on Friday and Monday nights and it really helped me and how I approached that time. The weekends were just as terrible for me as they were when I was with the A because of all the unstructured time. He may have used the time to drink non-stop and create as much chaos and pain as he could, but I used that time to let my mind run rampant and create as much chaos and pain as it could in my head and heart.
I am glad that you are here and I hope that you can get to a F2F meeting. I think that you will find the love, understanding and support that you need right now from women (and sometimes men) who already know you because they have lived it too!!
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Do not be anxious about tomorrow; tomorrow will look after itself. The Bible, from Courage to Change, p.138
I like what Deb had to say too. I really had to get over the person I wanted my A to be and accept who he is. I greived for a long time for the husband that I wanted. It was a big lesson in accepting my reality and letting go of the fantasy.
In recovery,
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~Jen~
"When you come to the edge of all you know you must believe in one of two things... there will be earth on which to stand or you will be given wings." ~Unknown
Hello Co , it's okay to love an alcoholic . And your right that is exactly what we do .forget about our selves to save someone who dosent want to be saved . Lonely is a common feeling when involved with an A they just cannot be who we need them to be . Learn to treat yourself the way u treat him and your going to be just fine . Louise
I think it is so huge to be able to see how lonely some of us. I am very very very lonely. I am less lonely these days because I have two lovable dogs. Nevertheless friday night I absolutely did not want to go home for anything. Even though I had two wonderful creatures there ready to love and adore me. There are days when I rattle with loneliness.
I left the A 6 months ago, had 3/4 months of going back and forth with him and have not seen hide or hair of him for 3 months. I was however far far far more lonely when I was with him trying to make "it" work. Christmas was always a particularly lonely time with him. He never ever ever tried to do what I requested. He played me very very well because I was very very vulnerable with the loneliness.
I am working on making friends now. There are people here on this board who no matter what are "there" for you. We all have flawed lives but we do listen. The A never listened to me. He was never able to.
I don't know these days that I loved the A. I think I was deeply attached to him on many levels but the emotions that came up for me around him were often anything but loving. I have boundaries these days I did not have with him. I certainly did not have a mature love with him. He never reciprocated my caring.
You are on the right track being aware, action comes later. Sometimes bearing the pain is hard but being in pain is one reason to change. For me it had to be unbearable to get out of my comfort zone.
Your post reminded me of this poem, I hope it helps you the way it helped me once upon a time:
Angela's Word
When Angela was very young, Age two or three or so, Her mother and her father Taught her never to say NO. They taught her that she must agree With everything they said, And if she didn't, she was spanked And sent upstairs to bed.
So Angela grew up to be A most agreeable child; She was never angry And she was never wild; She always shared, she always cared, She never picked a fight, And no matter what her parents said, She thought that they were right.
Angela the Angel did very well in school And, as you might imagine, she followed every rule; Her teachers said she was so well-bred, So quiet and so good, But how Angela felt inside They never understood.
Angela had lots of friends Who liked her for her smile; They knew she was the kind of gal Who'd go the extra mile; And even when she had a cold And really needed rest, When someone asked her if she'd help She always answered Yes
When Angela was thirty-three, she was a lawyer's wife. She had a home and family, and a nice suburban life. She had a little girl of four And a little boy of nine, And if someone asked her how she felt She always answered, "Fine."
But one cold night near Christmas time When her family was in bed, She lay awake as awful thoughts went spinning through her head; She didn't know why, and she didn't know how, But she wanted her life to end; So she begged Whoever put her here To take her back again.
And then she heard, from deep inside, A voice that was soft and low; It only said a single word And the word it said was... NO. From that moment on, Angela knew Exactly what she had to do. Her life depended on that word, So this is what her loved ones heard:
NO, I just don't want to; NO, I don't agree; NO, that's yours to handle; NO, that's wrong for me; NO, I wanted something else; NO, that hurt a lot! NO, I'm tired, and NO, I'm busy, And NO, I'd rather not!
Well, her family found it shocking, Her friends reacted with surprise; But Angela was different, you could see it in her eyes; For they've held no meek submission Since that night three years ago When Angela the Angel Got permission to say NO.
Today Angela's a person first, then a mother and a wife. She knows where she begins and ends, She has a separate life. She has talents and ambitions, She has feelings, needs and goals. She has money in the bank and An opinion at the polls.
And to her boy and girl she says, "It's nice when we agree; But if you can't say NO, you'll never grow To be all you're meant to be. Because I know I'm sometimes wrong And because I love you so, You'll always be my angels Even when you tell me NO."
Source: Barbara K. Basset
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If I am not for me, who will be? If I am only for myself, then who am I? If not now, when?
Awareness is a very good thing. It can be shocking but also healthy as that's how we heal. I understand loving your A. I love my husband more than life itself. I would give my life for his. But I will NOT give my life for his disease. If he needed a kidney, take mine. I think you can love your A, and not always give into the chaos. I've been struggling a bit lately too. Between working retail, his chronic relapse ( 1 day on, 2 days off, etc., trying to get ready for the holidays, it's a lot to handle. I'll level with you, I haven't been handling it well lately. Well I went back and read my some of my old posts and old meditations. Sometimes I have to remember how bad off we were. Remember this too shall pass. You'll find your way. Just hang in there.
I took a few minutes and made a gratitude list just for this moment: 1) I have a comfortable home 2) my A is not drinking just for today 3) kitty is not locked in someone else's garage 4) my few gifts are wrapped 5) this is the LAST day that I work until 11pm! WOOHOO! 6) my tree is still standing 7) I am remembering to work my program (for the moment) 8) I have the love and support of my MIP family 9) that I can choose to be either miserable or happy, it's up to me 10) it's okay to love your A but not his disease 11) that because I am here, I do care about myself (so do you)
Much love and blessings to you and your family. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Live strong, Karilynn & Piper Claus
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