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I find that I can detach easier and establish boundaries when I think on the things about A that have hurt me, etc. However, when I allow myself to "care" about A I find I start to lose these boundaries, etc. Does anyone have insight into how we can forgive and yet stay detached?
I am struggling with this right now. In my mind if I am resenting, hating the ex then I am triggering myself and becomming miserable. I am long over the caring for the A. Forgiveness is for me. If I want to stop drinking the poision and hoping the other person will die then I need to forgive. I'm not there yet. Still. It's not my job to forgive, that's God's job. My job can only be to accept and choose to stay or go. I don't know, it's a hard one for me, I can't wait to read others ESH.
It's probably not what you are feeling when YOU care, but how you feel when he doesn't.
Alcoholism robs them of reality along with the "caring" that matters in a relationship. Their focus is that next drink, not how you are going to feel when he takes it.
I recently asked my (sober) husband: Didn't you feel you were totally screwed up when you would start drinking at 10:00a.m. in the office parking lot? He said "yeah, but after a couple drinks I didn't have to think about it anymore".
That tells me "Don't take it personally". The things he did were never about me.
Christy
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In the beginning I had to use anger a lot and it was hard to hold onto. He would be nice and I would forget everything. Literally forget until I read it on here or thought really hard. Another problem with me is that when I'd give him a zillionth chance and he'd screw up again I'd be angry at myself for being so stupid, believing him again, etc. That didn't help me at all either I was angry at both of us. Sometimes anger is justified and there's nothing wrong with being angry. After I left I wrote a list of reasons not to go there again. Also posting on here helped me to see how insane the things I had tolerated and accepted as "normal" really were. Getting feedback from people healthier than I, actually putting it all down in writing and reading it and realizing that it's ok to be angry when you have something to be angry about. A lot of times I would try to think about it in terms of if someone else wrote this what would I say/think? That helped me a lot to take it ouside of myself.
It is important to forgive and let go of resentments but there is a time for everything, even anger. It depends on what you want to do too. I wanted to leave him and never look back and the anger helped me to do that. I watched what he did rather than listening to his words and he proved exactly who he is. He was that guy all along I just refused to see it before because I saw the words and not the actions - I know that doesn't really make sense but the words were like a fantasy in my mind and I imagined they would really happen and tolerated all the other stuff until it did. Of course it never did.
Another thing was caring about him. I care about him now, I don't show him that, I don't talk to him if I have a choice but I still care about what happens to him. I'm just not vested in him anymore. I accepted the fact that this is the path that he has chosen and it's his choice and his life. Mine doesn't have to be attached to his anymore. I can't change him, I can only change me and what I choose to accept or not accept. I used to think caring was giving him whatever he wanted or avoiding saying or doing anything that would make him unhappy or uncomfortable. I'm long past that now. I'm wondering if when you say "care" about him if this is what you mean. Not saying anything that would possibly upset him or make him uncomfortable. I remember when I told the A I was filing for child support all hell broke loose. I think a lot of it is fear of what they might or might not do.
It takes time and practice for me it was using the word NO, sticking by what I said and just watching his actions. Now I don't particularly care if he likes what I have to say or not. Of course I moved out over a year ago and it took a long time for me to get to that point.
I dont' think I am at forgiveneness yet. For me one of the definitions of being codependent is when someone asks me how I am and I tell them how the A is. I have stopped that. I can't say I am not interested in what the A is doing. I just don't have the energy to find out. He lies so whatever he says has to be taken at face value. My energy goes to me these days. I don't have a lot of it.
I think detachment for me comes before forgiveneness. In time maybe I will forgive him. Right now I am not obsessed with him or what he is doing. For me that is progress. One thing at a time. I dont' expect myself to be perfect anymore.
I know I'm a little late, but I think self acceptance goes a long way toward not being WILLING to put your hand in the fire again. If I accept and value myself enough then I do not have to have that person to make me ok. I think a big codependent issue is our definition of caring. How much is real and how much is a smokescreen for our neediness? I was able to truely enforce my boundaries when I was able to say," I love me and I do not want anyone I love to live this way. I am only in control of me, though, and I do not have to live this way. I will not go there with you anymore. " I think we only make a valiant effort to protect that which we truely value. We must value ourselves.
Just my thoughts.
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~Jen~
"When you come to the edge of all you know you must believe in one of two things... there will be earth on which to stand or you will be given wings." ~Unknown