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pot/pill use vs. alcohol


I've read some other posts mentioning their A's pot or "drug" use.  Now that he's gone, my A's parents say "Oh, the pot was no big deal, it was the alcohol that killed him" Before my A's accident and relapse, he rationalized to me that pot was "better than drinking" and that it kept him from drinking, same with xanax. My question to him was why did it have to be one or the other. We had many arguments about his marijuana use, it was to the point where if we went out in public he would leave the kids and I and go to the bathroom or off in trees to smoke.  He couldn't even wait until we got home, couldn't go to work without doing it before leaving etc;  Again, this is BEFORE he started drinking again.  I told him he was like a fiend with it, yet many people think/say it isn't addictive.  I also read online that alcoholics aren't really "sober" if they are smoking pot.  Any experiences or thoughts on this from anyone?  With this tragedy, I feel like I should have supported the pot use more if it would have kept him from drinking.  Yet, when he started drinking, he was actually smoking more pot than ever????

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hon,nothing you do makes any difference as far as what an A uses.

Pot, alcohol whatever alter the brain, it is a drug.
And yes it can be addictive.

Some addicts are addicted to everything. If they quit drinking they use heroin,no heroin, they use pills,and back to alcohol.

Some of us are so  hard on ourselves like we had anything to do with the disease. We did not cause it, cannot cure it, cannot control it.

much love,glad to see ya back. debilyn


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My ex-wife was a pot head.  The adiction was incidious.   No day passed without it's use.  She'd initiate an argument & go off & smoke dope.  So many of the characteristics of alcohol abuse came with pot use.  A few things were different.  She was at her worst when she needed pot... somewhat docile while stoned.  Could smoke others "under the table" & was proud of that.  She lacked ambition.  Rarely cleaned - never held a job.  Pot was her high of choice.  If I was given a choice of living with a drunk or a stoner... yeah, I'd take the stoner but it's more alike choosing the firing squad over hanging.  Addiction ruled her life.  Pot, overeating, overspending, sloth, codependence.  The woman was a mess... but really not worse than me.  I did not see any real physical manifestation of pot addiction.  Long term alcohol/drug abuse kills.  I'm not sure, short of lung cancer, if pot does kill.  I've driven when I was stoned (in my misspent youth)... yeah - I wasn't under control... I could have killed myself or another while driving under the influence.

I hate marijuana - I hate it when people talk of decriminalizing it or even for medical use.  It'll ruin your life sure as booze - slower, kinder, but a downward spiral for sure.  You need more & more to medicate yourself.  It's addictive - It's addictive - It's addictive.  I won't believe anything else

 

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(((((((KLM)))))))))

Welcome to MIP. In my opinion there are 2 totally different things going on. A person can become dependant on many things... and if it changes their behavior to the point it affects you... then its a problem for you, period.

That is why we are here. We have a problem with thier adictive behaviors. That is part 2. Once addicted, I see people become guilty and protective of thier addiction... which breeds more guilt, and more need to protect.

It really doesn't matter what the addiction is to: pot, heroin, booze, sex.... you name it. We are not powerful enough to fix them... it is up to them to be ready to change their life. We love them enough to want to fix it... but its just not something we can control.

I am glad you are here... its a very couragous thing to reach out and look for help. This place has been a godsend for me. I hope you will continue to post and maybe find some local meetings for you. He is in Gods hands.

Take care of you!



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It's all the same, to my mind.  The real disease is the urge to use something to help ease the pain of reality, to the detriment of anything else in life.

In our case, I also blamed myself for my husband's crack addiction. His drinking had been ruining our marriage - he was often abusive when drunk.  At one point, it was pretty clear that I was done - one more flight into the night with the kids, and I would not come back. That was when he slowed his drinking down, and focused more on drugs. Pot was his 'drug of choice', but he couldn't smoke because his job meant that drug tests were always possible.  Pot stays in the system longer, and he could lose his job for a joint smoked a week ago.  So, he started smoking crack.

Fast forward to many years later, when he had been clean and sober for a couple of years.  I confessed to him that I had always blamed myself or the addiction, which had been so terribly hard on him.  He started laughing, which kinda took the wind of the sails of my touching confession.  Can't remember his exact words, but he said something like,  "You alanons are as bad as we are, making up stories.  I was drinking and drugging myself out of a marriage and a job; I could have quit, you know." 

Often I found, when speaking to him after he sobered up, that things that I had thought were SO important in the progress of our marriage and his disease, he didn't even remember.  And, things which had slid right by me had had profound impacts on him. 

So, I'd say don't torture yourself with these thoughts.  Most of what he did (in terms of his addictions)  had very little if anything to do with you.  We don't just say the things we say here in order to make ourselves feel better, you know.  We say them because long experience, of many many people, have shown them to be true. 

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I think.... your parents' comment was well intentioned but said from ignorance.....  At the Treatment Center that helped get my ex-AW sober, they had a saying.....

"addiction is addiction is addiction"

it really makes no difference if that addiction is alcohol, cocaine, pot, gambling, sex, etc......  they treat them all in very much the same way, as the "physical" part of an addiction is only a portion of the entire picture.

Just my opinion

Tom

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