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I really need advice


I have been married for four years. My husband has always been a big drinker, and I was, too, when we met. But then I unexpectantly became pregnant, and all my priorities shifted from being a partying kid to a mom, and I became a person who hates to get drunk so I just don't do it. However, my husband didn't change with me. He continued to drink excessively at each available opportunity, cutting it down from 3-4 nights a week to one night a week and saying that he was being good and that I shouldn't criticize him. I've been dealing with this and covering his tracks for so long (lying to his family, our older son, my family, about his hangovers, which I said he was "sick") because he was being "good" by only getting wasted once a week. Now we have two children, and I think I'm finally just tired of all of it. In January, he got so wasted that he threw up all over our living room, ruining our couch covers, some of the kids' toys, and my laptop. He completely burned my laptop with his vomit, and I lost all my files on it. I couldn't even wake him up the next day until 3 or so, and even then he kept arguing with me about whether or not he threw up. At around 6, he became functioning and realized that he had, indeed, thrown up and ruined my laptop, but he didn't even remember throwing up. I was so beyond angry because my kids woke up and could have been playing in that if I hadn't cleaned it up. He promised then to stop drinking or to at least slow down. For the next few months, he cut down his drinking to a 6-pack a week. He didn't get sick again; however, every Sat., the day that we could actually be doing family time, he always slept in. I do everything (festivals, playdates, swimming, etc.) by myself with the kids. I feel like a single mom some days. Anyway, on Easter, however, my mom came to visit, and my husband stayed up all night by himself getting drunk (he ALWAYS drinks by himself). He fell asleep in my older son's bed, and urinated in his sleep. Once again, I couldn't wake him, and he tried to say that it wasn't urine. However, he did eventually realize it was and cleaned it up. I, of course, lied to my mom and said that our dog had urinated in the bed. We got into a huge fight about this after my left, and once again, my husband said that he's being good, it was one little mistake, that he drinks because I nag him and because of me, etc. He again slowed down, but to a 6-pack of beer alone (as always) every few weeks. Fast forward to this week. He called me on Thursday, asking if I minded if he bought beer. I said, "yes." He became very angry with me, so I told him that he needed to make his own decisions. I was trying to keep the peace because we fight so much as is. He came home, I went to bed with the kids, and I woke up the next day to his puking. He missed work, which really upset me, because he's working for a friend of the family. So it makes all of us look bad.
Anyway, if you've made it this far, I thank you tremendously because I'm completely falling apart. My father was an alcoholic (he died of stomach cancer when I was 18) and my older brother is, too. However, both of them drank every day. My father, though, was a functioning alcoholic, and my brother isn't. My husband, however, seems to think that he's not an alcoholic because his situation isn't excessive like my brother's or father's. I know this is probably a ridiculous question for this board, but I really think my husband is one, but I need to hear it from others, too, just to make sure I'm right. I just feel like every time I tell my husband that I think he's an alcoholic, he turns it around on me and says that I only feel that way because of my family history. However, his drinking is affecting our family. My husband has been hungover too many times when we had planned important events that he couldn't go to. You know, it's one thing that he drinks and hurts me, but it really ticks me off that I know it's got to be affecting my kids. I don't know what to do.

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welcome Liza,


   Keep comming, keep posting. You will find your answers here. Can you get to a face to face meeting? They are very important to the program. I love this board and it helped me in my program, but I love my f2f meetings also.

As far as your situation, if his drinking is bothering you then you are in the right place. When my husband and I got together he decied that we were both alcoholics and should quit drinking. I said ok, no problem and that's what I did. I haven't had a drink or drug for 13 years. It makes no difference in my world. Seeing other people drink doesn't bother me either or make me want to drink. So, I have come to the conclusion that I am not an alcoholic. i don't drink, therefore I don't even think about alcohol. That your AH is obsessing and making plans and asking permission to bring it home, and planning on cutting back, etc. It always seems to me that if they weren't an alcoholic they would say hhhmmmm my drinking seems to be causing a problem with everyone....guess i'll quit. but they don't do that...because they are alcoholics. Now, an alcoholic can only lable himself an A. So, until he does, you come to alanon becuse you have a problem with someone elses drinking. We can help you. We will tell you what we did in similar situations and then your free to take what you like and leave the rest

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Well, first off, you found THE group of people who know what you are going through! It's not easy to put yourself out there, so give yourself credit for reaching out.

It's pretty obvious he's an alcoholic. When a person does anything to such an excess their health, relationships, and work are negatively affected, they have a problem. Alcoholics deny their problem almost universally, it's a classic part of the disease.

It doesn't really matter what HE thinks in this case. Alanon is all about you and what you think, and what you need. We are told at first, then come to see the truth in our inability to say, do or 'be' anything to make the alcoholic or addict stop using. No logic, temper tantrum, sincere tears makes the slightest difference, they have an endless supply of irrational reasons to continue drinking, most of which involve others causing them to need to drink. If that were true, everybody who knows you would have to down a six pack.

I encourage you to do a lot of reading other's experiences here on this forum, to see you are not alone. Also, find a local Alanon meeting, face to face sharing and encouragement are very powerful. There's a lot of literature and books to read to educate yourself about alcoholism, and how it affects you and the kids, too.

I remember feeling so crazy . . . my husband bingeing and running amok, wrecking vehicles, ruining his body and intelligent mind, and now is facing jail time. But he didn't have a problem! If only I would (insert yada yada here), he wouldn't get so desperate and unhappy he'd have to use. I'm telling you, for a while his BS worked, and I wondered if I wasn't nuts.

We Alanons band together to find out we aren't nuts at all, but we do suffer from a kind of craziness from living with the disease day in and day out for years. This program is about liberation and self growth for you, and for your children.

Above all be good to yourself and the kids, enjoy them and spend time wondering what you can do to make some joy in each day. I know it's hard right now but you'll be surprised how much better you'll feel. Take care! Kim

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Liza, welcome to Miracles in Progress. You are most welcome to come to our chat room and meetings here.

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Hello Liza  please find an Al-Anon meeting for yourself . it will help u so much u will make new friends who understand exactlywhat your going thru . As most have been there themselves. There is nothingu cn do about his drinking , nagging only makes the situtation worse and he blames you , threats dont work , tears don't work , because your trying to solve a problem that has nothing to do with you  . your not the reason he drinks regardless of what he says .  You will learn to detach with l ove in our program while u get yourlife back on track . there is nothing you can do about him  . good luck Louise

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This is my experience: For a long time I ignored my AH's drinking. Thinking he just needed time to grow up. We got married when we were 18 and I thought that maybe he was acting out b/c of the fact that we got married so young. It wasn't until he admitted to me that he was using drugs that I realized, WHOA you are an alcoholic too. I denied myself from seeing the truth right before my eyes for 12 years. Now over the last 2 years, he has admitted to being an alcoholic and drug addict but REFUSES to admit that he needs help in order to recover. I cannot make him believe that he needs that help. Only he has the power to see it and admit it and then actually get that help. There was never any point in argueing it with him and so I never did. Why cause myself the pain of the arguement.

So I have spent the last 2 years working on MY RECOVERY. Right here at MIP. I have come a long way in that time too and have this website and these wonderful folks to thank for that. Keep coming back, read other's posts,post your own questions, concerns and vents. Most of all try to find your own peace and serenity in every day. We are all here for you.

Sincerely,
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Hi Liza,
This is only my second post, but I can so relate to what everyone is saying.  Whether he is labeled "alcoholic" or not, the fact that you need help to deal with it is more important.  I went to my first Al-anon meeting last week, and my second yesterday, and in that short period of time realized that I can only control what I do.  Kim65 hit it on the head - this disease is so subtle and so insidious that it truly makes you begin to wonder if it's really YOU who has the problem, instead of the A.  Back in the 1940s, there was a movie, "Gaslight", in which the husband tried to slowly convice his wife that she was losing her mind.  I can't remember how the movie ended, but I use the term "gaslight-ed" when the A in my life is trying to convince me of the most irrational things.  The reality is that it's his problem, not your problem - your only choice and your only control is how you react to it. 
Big hugs and good thoughts,
MHG

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Thank you all so much for replying. It really means a lot to me. For so long, I've been keeping all these thoughts inside and make excuses for him, much the previous poster who said he just needed time to grow up. I kind of thought the same thing because we were young when we began dating, and I became pregnant shortly after. It all came to a head yesterday when a friend came over and talked to me about her husband's AA meetings and whatnot. It's like everything she said was exactly what I've been thinking in my head for so long but didn't want to say aloud because I felt so much shame. I finally told her everything I've been going through and let it all out. It felt just really depressing to hear everything together. You know, when I'm just focusing on one event at a time, it doesn't seem so bad, but once I actually heard myself say aloud everything that's been going on, it was overwhelming to me. Anyway, my friend and I talked and both are going to go to an Al-Anon meeting together so that we're not alone. And I talked to my husband about all this last night, and he did agree that there was a problem and that he would no longer drink by himself. We also agreed that we'd go to marriage counseling, so part of me thinks that the only reason he agreed that he wouldn't drink by himself anymore is because he doesn't want to look bad in front of the counselor. He told me last night that he wants to have a chance to prove himself before we make the appt. That statement kind of annoyed me because he could care less what I or our boys think of him, but when a random stranger finds out, he's embarrassed. Anyway, thanks again to everyone for posting; you really are making a difference in my life just by being a soundboard for all the thoughts I've kept inside for so long.
Also, everything you've all been saying is making me feel as if I'm not nuts after all. It's like all the alcoholics in our lives follow some sort of script. And Kim, I know exactly what you mean about we'd all be drinking if all followed the irrational reasons they give to drink. Thanks for saying that because it really does help.
Thanks again to everyone who replied. I think I need to rent "Gaslight."

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(((((Liza))))),

Welcome to the MIP family.  Here you will find great experience, strength, wisdom, hope and humor (good for the heart.gif ).  I know how hard it is to feel alone and lost.  I can safely say that the majority of us have felt the way you are feeling at some point.

An addict is an addict is an addict, no matter what you call them.  The important thing to do is to take care of you and your children.  I know it seems hopeless, but it isn't.  Go back and read old posts.  There is so much to be gained by working on your recovery.  It is absolutely possible.  I can't tell you what this place has done for me.  It gave me strength and courage and so much hope when I didn't think there was any.   Please find meetings for yourself.  You need to know that you are not alone in this journey.  Come join us online and in the chat room anytime of day.

Much love and blessings to you and your family.

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From what you have posted, it sure sounds like your hubby is an alcoholic too, as they take many forms, and don't always drink daily, etc....  He sounds firmly in denial, which is not terribly surprising, but drinking 6-packs of beer by yourself, even if it is "only" once a week, is hardly normal or sane.  Nor is a grown man puking from drinking, urinating in his bed, etc., etc....

That's the good news, that your concerns are validated, that he is what he is.....

The bad news is.... it isn't up to YOU to convince him of what he is or isn't, and he's gonna either figure it out or he will continue to harm himself (and you guys, at least indirectly).

The REALLY good news is there is hope.... for YOU.  What are you doing to take care of yourself?  Are you reading literature, learning about and attending Al-Anon, and finding out how YOU can best cope and/or live?  It's very natural to do so, but right now your focus seems to be mostly on your hubby, and it will be a great sign of YOUR recovery when that focus is primarily on yourself and your children.  He's gonna blame you for why he drinks, cuz that's what alcoholics do.... Furthermore, his "asking permission" to buy beer is laughable, cuz there is no answer that you could give that would be suitable for both of you - he's simply trying to deflect blame here.

Time to take care of you, and focus on YOUR recovery.  Read, post, go to meetings, take care of your kids.....  There is a great old saying:

"he's either gonna drink, or he won't.... what are YOU gonna do?"

Take care of you.  He may or may not choose to accept what he is and what he needs to do, but YOU can.

Take care
Tom

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Welcome to our Family,

I am so very glad that you are reaching out for help for you.

That is what we are all doing - try to help each other - I know that I have been affected by the way that my loved ones (father, step-father, brother, husband and daughter) have drank or used drugs. The Al-Anon meetings, reading recovery literature, MIP and reaching out to others in recovery is helping me recovery from those affects.

Keep coming back - don't give up before the miracles happen in YOU - you deserve them,

One Day at a Time,
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Thank you all so much for the other posts. The thing that's hitting the hardest with me in all you're all saying is that I need to take care of myself and my kids first. Thank you all for saying that because you're right. For the first time in forever, I'm thinking that I'm going to do what I need to do for myself and my children. Thanks again.

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