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Just Down and Dejected...


Please forgive me if I come across as silly or naive - I have had no experience with legal matters before, and am from Ireland so a lot of the terminology is new to me.

Anyway - here goes.

My husband and I have been married 6 years - he is a binge-drinking alcoholic (meaning he doesn't drink all the time, but will go on a several day long binge every couple of months). I abhor drinking (my father was an alcoholic) and he hid his drinking from me until after we were married. We have had many verbal arguments and mud-slinging episodes when he is drunk - I really can't be with an alcoholic - I fully admit that I start arguments and go after him verbally when he is drinking. I can't just sit and bite my tongue like some women, even though I try to stay detached. I have considered leaving before - but this is a decision that cannot be taken lightly, because due to my immigration status (we are legally married and he is American, but we never had the money to file my permanent residency paperwork, so essentially I am an illegal immigrant) if I leave the US I would be banned from re-entering for 10 years. So if I was going to leave, I needed to be really sure it was the right thing to do - and that never seemed to be the case. We could always work it out for a while (we are both therapists - hilarious), and because it wasn't happening all the time, I suppose I was able to take the good and just weather the bad.He's not usually an obnoxious drunk, he basically just sits there drinking beer and watching TV for a couple of days.If any argument starts, I'm always the one who starts it.

But then I had our daughter 5 months ago. Instantly she became my top priority, of course. My husband was a complete disappointment for the first few weeks of her life - drinking a lot more (not wanting to face up to the responsibility) and just being no help to me even though I was recovering from complications from an emergency c-section and was in a lot of pain.

So I started to think more about leaving and going home to Ireland - where I have friends, family and a support network. Here we have no friends, and his family are scattered and I have never even met them. We agreed that we would all move home in a year - and I figured I would stick it out until then. Because I believe that we actually have a better chance of making it work back in Ireland.He doesn't think so, he believes that I'll have my friends and family all ganged up against him, though I don't dicuss his drinking with them. But when he drinks here I have nowhere to go and no one to go to - so I'm stuck in the 600 sq ft apt with him and it doesn't help matters. At least back home I can take the baby and go to my Mum's or whatever. I can diffuse the situation by leaving, and because he is no longer my sole source of friendship, companionship and conversation, I think I would be less resentful and feel less betrayed when he chooses to be drunk rather than present with me.

In recent months he has been working to get his drinking in order, and has been moderately successful. But a week ago he dropped the bombshell on me that he had looked into his retirement fund and he won't be able to draw a pension unless he stays 6 more years and he isn't willing to throw away what will amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars by going home next year. I can understand that - he works very hard to provide for us, and at his age (55, he is a lot older than me) it is very scary to move to a new country without a guaranteed job and no future financial security.But I was completely gutted - especially as I found out the next day that I am pregnant again. I can't be here, isolated, no support, with 2 children under 14 months old. I figured there was nothing else to do but leave - I began looking into getting a passport for my baby and trying to devise ways to save up money to leave.He makes a good living, but Long Island is so expensive that we never have any spare money really.I control the budget, and we work as a team to try to keep spending down.

That was the background - I'm sorry it's so long. If you're still with me, thank you. So we had the heart-to-heart to end all heart-to-hearts last Sunday. He swore on our marriage that if we stuck it out here for 6 more years he would move home with me like a shot, and also that he would get alcohol counselling and try to stop drinking completely. (He even wrote a document to this effect to get notarized).This has been his goal anyway for the last few months when he finally realised that he couldn't control his drinking and needed to seek help to stop completely.Prior to that, in a way to show that he had control, he came up with this bizarre thing where he drank on schedule one weekend in the month.I didn't need to say anything, after 3 months of it he realised that he couldn't control it because he always ended up taking the Monday or Mon & Tues off work because he couldn't stop and sober up on the Sunday.

So during this heart-to-heart I told him that the next time I see him drunk would be the last time - he agreed to this. Really it was such a tough boundary to set that I shouldnt have said it unless I was 100% committed to sticking to it, but I had no idea what was about to go down.Two days later, Tuesday, he came home from work with drink on him. I can always tell (like I said, my father was an alcoholic my whole life) though he swore blind he wasn't drinking. I really doubted myself, because there was no reason for him to be drinking.Usually there is a trigger of some sort - a big game on TV, trouble at work, around Christmas and when his parents died are triggers - but we had just sorted some things out between us, and were trying to get a fresh start.I was worried because he normally drinks beer, but this time he was obviously trying to conceal that he was drinking - so it was hard liquor that he was hiding somewhere and taking nips from - and the few times that he has done it that stuff it makes him crazy. I kept on and on at him to admit it (like it would make some big difference if he said it) - because I knew he was drinking, and I've never been wrong, and finally he admitted that he was. The reason? "To see what my reaction would be."I lost it. It was as if it was a game or something.Maybe testing that boundary that I had put in place before really deciding that I would follow through on it.

I screamed at him and called him a barrage of unrepeatables. Told him that he was a waste of space and I wish he would just die, that he wasnt fit to call himself a human and that he was a complete f8ck-up and always would be.That he ruined everything he touched and didn't deserve to be alive.I tried to leave and he blocked my access to the exit (there only is one - it's a basement apartment). The police had been out once before when my daughter was 6 weeks old (again, drinking concealed vodka, he was drunk and verbally nasty so I called them) and gave him a talking to - told him he couldn't block the exit or pull the phone out of the wall. So when he blocked the exit this time I said I was calling the cops - you guessed it, he pulled the phone out of the wall. I went into the bathroom - he thought I had the cell phone in there and was calling the cops (I didn't), so he broke the door down. I put my daughter in her swing so that she would be out of his way (he would never hurt her, but I wanted her to be safe if it came to a scuffle it has before between us) then I tried to run up the internal basement stairs and get our landlady (who lives upstairs) to call the police. He grabbed me and pulled me down the stairs, shoved me into the bedroom, pushed me down on the bed, and got on top of me and covered my nose and mouth with his hands. He "gagged" me by forcing his fingers into my mouth so that our landlady wouldn't hear me screaming for help. I was gasping that I couldn't breathe - but he thought I was faking (I have before) or didn't care. But I really couldn't get a breath - it's the only time I have ever been scared of him and the only time he has ever gotten physical with me. After a while he stopped and got off me - I don't know how long it was. I think he realised what he was doing and went into the living room and sat down on the sofa to calm down.I grabbed my daughter and again made for the door. I got out and up the steps, but he came after us and started pulling me back towards the apartment. I know that he would never hurt my daughter, so I saw it was my only chance. I handed the baby to him, then ran around the front of the house and knocked on my landlady's door. She let me in and called the cops. She had heard him kicking the bathroom door in, and had heard me screaming "get off me".

This was all on Tuesday night - the cops came and took him and I haven't seen or heard from him since. The cops/county pressed charges, not me. He was arraigned on Wednesday and "Menacing in the 3rd" was the charge. I was called by the prison social worker Thursday morning saying my A needed me to arrange for a lawyer to be present at his hearing on Friday morning in order to be be released on his own recognizance. It took a lot of doing - I had trouble finding someone to do it at such short notice and had to run (I don't drive) to my husband's job to pick up his paycheck and get it to the bank so there was enough in the account to cover the $450 lawyer retainer. BTW, he called me to do this because as I said before, we literally have no friends or family here.When alcohol isnt present we are very close and really look out for and support each other.

So I was expecting him to be released on his own recognizance the next day, Friday - but then late Thurday night I get a call from the DA's office, telling me that that a "stay away" order of protection that was put in place at the arraignment (I begged them to make it a "do not harass", but they wouldn't) was expected to stay in place, and that my husband would not be coming home. That he can only see us in the presence of a police officer and that he'll need to find somewhere else to stay for a couple of months until the next hearing. He also has to attend an alcohol programme, which really is a blessing.

But I was beside myself - I was expecting him home and I WANT him home. Him being away for a months just means that it'll take much longer to sort out what we're going to do - either trying to reconcile or splitting. He is mine and my daughter's sole source of financial support - we can't afford another rent. Property is so expensive here on Long Island - we pay $1200 a month for a 1 bedroom basement. If he has to find somewhere else then pay for both we are going to be in so much debt. The police weren't able to give me the names of any homeless shelters in the area - LI is quite an affluent place.The rent is due on Sunday and the landlady will probably kick me out if I can't pay (we have a month-tp-month lease, so she can do that) - she isn't thrilled about what went on, and I can't blame her. Plus I am pregnant and trying to look after an infant - I'm just exhausted, I can't do it alone. I don't drive in the US and depend on my husband for simple things even like going to the store - there are no shops within walking distance for me even to get diapers or formula or groceries. I just about had hysterics on the phone with the DA representative - she transferred me to the lawyer who was prosecuting at the hearing on Friday (well, the voicemail, it was too late to catch her), and I just about had a meltdown on the phone. I told her I wished I'd never called the police at all, and that I feel like I'm a double-victim and I don't know how I'll cope. I later phoned her voicemail again and left another message because with the stress of it all I had started to throw up and hyperventilate. I have a history of miscarriage, so I'm so afraid all this stress is going to have a negative effect on the baby.

I also called the lawyer that I engaged for my husband and got his voicemail - I said the same thing and repeated that I wished I'd never called the cops and that I'd gladly take back everything I said in the statement at this point if it meant he could get home. I know he's my husband's lawyer, but I don't care. I said I'd drop the charges, but I can't as I didn't press them.

I don't want an essentially good man's life ruined over this. He shouldn't have done what he did, but it has never happened before and although one can never say never, I am sure it will never happen again. Esp with the "do not harass" order of protection (if they eventually change it from the "stay away") and the alcohol programme. And besides, I am in no way convinced that I am going to stay with him. But nor do I want this hanging over him, or indeed him having to pay money for an extra apartment when I could be saving that money in order to leave.

The next hearing is a week from Monday I don't really know what it will entail.He did not get released on his own recognizance yesterday.He had the option to be released on $1000 bail but we do not have the money.His lawyer said that my husband was trying to get in contact with a co-worker or something to see if they could post bail, I don't know if that happened.If not he's going to have to be off work for at least a week and I dont know what is going to happen there as he doesn't have vacation or sick time saved up and was couselled before Christmas for time abuse.He has a secure State job, hopefully it's secure enough that he'll be able to keep it and not get fired.The thought of him there in prison just makes me so sad - he's a very sensitive person, I hope he's not being bullied or anything like that. Take the alcohol out of the mix and we're very alike - and I know I would be terrified.

My husband's atty called me after the hearing and said that the prosecuting DA had not mentioned to the judge that I wanted the charges dropped if possible and that I didn't want the order of protection, and that it would be helpful if I called the DA's office and re-iterated this.Which I did and they told me that the judge wouldn't have done anything anyway because I wasn't there and didn't say it myself (the defence atty told me I didn't need to be there and I was actually advised against going!), but that it was the defending atty's duty to bring these things up anyway, not theirs.At this point I don't know what's going on and who to listen to.

So I'll definitely have to be at the hearing the Monday after next.The DA rep said this is better because it gives me time to cool down.The problem is that the longer I have to think about it, and the longer I struggle on here by myself dead tired, pregnant, with a demanding teething infant, with no one to talk to and staring at these four walls, the more I realise it shouldn't have happened and I wish with all my heart that the police hadn't been called.

It was a snapshot of a single evening taken out of a 6 year marriage.No one asked about how we stuck together through 5 years of infertility, miscarriages, and IVF.No one asks about how he didn't leave my side during the nightmare 24 hr labour when the epidural didn't work, how he prayed by my bedside when the fetus showed digns of distress and I was delirious with a fever after 6 hours of pushing - he literally thought that my heart was going to give out.No one asks about how he comes rushing home from work at lunchtime just to spend some time with my daughter and I, or how he tries to make my life easier by running to the post office, pharmacy, grocery store, deli - every day after work hes doing some errand for me on the way home.No one asks about how every weekend he tiptoes around here and gets my daughter all washed and fed and changed so that I can sleep until noon.No one asks about how she squeals in delight and waves her arms and legs in excitement every time she sees him.No one asks about how he took time off to come to every prenatal appt with me even though I was high-risk and it was twice a week, and how he comes to every one of my daughter's pediatricaian appts.No one asks about how he has worked in the caring profession for 35 years, trying to advocate and make things better for disabled people, homeless people, the mentally ill, the elderly.Even though he's a social worker, a clinician, and isn't supposed to do it, he still physically helps out the direct care staff because they are always short-staffed - feeding, bathing, cleaning up piss and sh1t (he currently works with developmentally disabled adults) - instead of sitting behind his desk.

The DA rep said that the alcohol didn't cause this incident, and that is completely untrue.Because the alcohol caused the simmering resentment in me, caused me to snap, and caused him to snap.She said he has an anger management problem which is also untrue.Ordinarily he is very calm and never loses his patience.He's actually a pacifist, and has been politically active for various pacifist groups over the years - he's been protesting war and violence since the 70s, even getting his car vandalised because of the antiwar bumper stickers (we protested the war before it became normal to do so, before it even started in fact, back in 2003).

Anyway - thank you for listening - it was good to get it out. I'm hoping someone can help me by just talking. I can't eat a bite or sleep and have been throwing up since Wednesday - I'm literally worried sick. I just wish I could turn back time and that this never happened.

I really thought they would just throw him in jail for the night to sober up and let the situation diffuse - I never thought it would come to this.I think I exaggerated the seriousness of it all I my statement - I was very upset and hormonal too, and I wanted them to cart him off for the night because I was just too exhausted to contemplate putting up with a binge lasting to the weekend (he was off work the rest of the week for July 4th).Also I didn't put in my statement that prior to the situation getting physical with me, I pushed him into the wall, and he hit his head on the lamp, which broke (the lamp, not his head).In the past I have gotten physical with him - I broke a mirror over his head once, have kicked and puched him, bitten him - he never retaliated.He would never call the police on me, has never even referred to these incidents again afterwards.Normally I'm a very even-tempered person, but everyone has their breaking point, I suppose.

I posted this on a free advice legal forum, frequented by lawyers.They basically laughed at the fact that we (my husband and I) are both social workers and said that I need to throw the book at him and that he's worthless.And also that I "needed to go on the Pill as this isnt a 3rd world country" - I had omitted to mention in *that* post that we needed IVF to get pregnant and it took 5 years.I was on the Pill after having my daughter, but I breastfeed and it was affecting my milk supply, so I came off it.I have never needed the Pill anyway - I haven't ovulated on my own for over 10 years and our fertility specialist said our chances of getting pregnant on our own were about 0.5%.No one ever thought that having a baby might "fix" me, as it seems to have done.

Anyway, I just wanted to talk in a place that is more of a safe haven.It didn't occur to me at the time that lawyers arent really known for their bleeding hearts or compassion, LOL.From the amount of replies I got calling me stupid and him a hopeless case, they obviously don't feel that people can change, be rehabilitated or redeemed.But people do know that here and as I used to work as a family therapist back home (in Ireland, where alcoholism is almost epidemic), I know it too.

I just dont know what I'm supposed to do now will I get in trouble if I try to change my statement?My husband was literally covering my mouth to get me to stop calling for someone to call the police, not to deliberately hurt me.Because having the police come and have his job jeopardised is a huge fear of his when he drinks.The lawyers on that site said I needed to co-operate with the prosecution and get a conviction, otherwise I could get in trouble - is this true?I've since noticed that there is an error in my statement anyway (I don't think it was my fault my accent is thick and the policeman had trouble understanding me.He wasn't too swift anyway, to be honest - he didnt know how to spell my landlady's name "Jean", and had to count on his fingers to get my husband's age when I gave him the birthdate) - it says "strangulation" where it should say "suffocation" I suppose. He put his hand over my nose and mouth, but I don't remember saying that he tried to choke or strangle me.And if I did say that it isn't true - he was trying to stop me calling out, he wasn't trying to physically harm me.Though he did end up physically harming me, because I had trouble breathing.So it's the same thing, I suppose - except he didn't try to strangle me.

The ironic thing is that I really thought I didn't love him any more, and I've told him so every time he's been drunk recently (actually, I tell him that I hate him, not just that I dont love him - I've told him that when he's sober too), but now that he is gone I realise I do.He always wanted to try to work things out and stay together - now I doubt he will.I think that bar cheating on him, doing this was probably the only thing that would shake his faith in me. And if neither of us trusts the other, what's the point? So it looks very much like we will end up splitting - probably for the best, I know.But I never wanted anything like this to happen.

I suppose the lesson is if you set a boundary, dont set it in the heat of the moment, but be absolutely sure that you will follow it to the letter.If I had really meant it, then calling the police and the consequences would have meant nothing to me but that isnt the case.





-- Edited by IrishExport at 01:52, 2007-07-08

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Welcome Irishexport! You are having a heckuva time.

I hope you can find the time to come back here and post and visit and even get to a real face to face Alanon meeting. I know you have the babe and are having the hormone shifts and stomach problems, and meetings will be hard to get to. At least keep coming back here. It's an active forum, new posts every day, and lots of folks who know exactly what you are going through.

I had to laugh a little about posting your experience on a law forum . . . not AT you, per se, but I'm so UNSURPRISED at the lawyer's responses. It's all a matter of perspective, huh? What's the point of getting a lawyer that doesn't think your soon to be ex is a jerk and a loser :D ? Anyway, I hope we are more helpful and supportive.

There's a lot going on for you, and you have to think of your health and the babies first, before worrying about the state of your husband. I wish I had a direction to point you in, but I don't.

I know for myself, once I began to focus on taking care of myself -- doing what I could to make sure I was OK -- things started happening all around me that helped me take care of myself.

I moved from southern California to north Idaho . . . not sure if you know much about Idaho, esp North Idaho . . . it's kinda like moving from The Big City to the Wild Wild West :D . I live on the edge of millions of square miles of National Forest, and 54 mile round trip to a real town. No cell phones work up here, actual phone lines weren't put in until 1940. Townsfolk still worry about Communists and Negros invading the place :D . It was like moving to a different world -- or the edge of the known world! And talk about isolated. No family, and it took me a long time to meet locals who I had something in common with.

So we get up here and start a farm, and my husband goes over the edge in a drug and alcohol relapse. This was a year ago BEFORE I knew a soul.

So I can kind of relate with your "relocation" issues. With my husband running off for weeks at a time to do God knows what, I was left on my own. He began to threaten me that if I called the police he would bash my head in, or that I'd be sorry. I'd tell him to come and try it and escalate the whole thing, I'm lucky he didn't try it. He picked up a claw hammer and raised it up as if to hit me once when he was still high and I was telling him a few things about himself (true, but very mean).

I too was surprised the judge was very quick to issue a "stay away" order -- he hadn't hit me or anything, yet. He was high and drunk and crazy when he did it. But the one cop who sat me down said he saw too many women just like me in the morgue. He said this is how it starts, and I'd best nip it in the bud. I started thinking about it, and talking to my Alanon friends here at MIP, and was forced to acknowledge my husband was abusive and I was in danger. I didn't believe it at first, I was in denial myself.

I was in denial over much of his behavior -- the abusiveness, threats to hurt me, spending our retirement money on drugs -- because I was up here completely alone.

Once the reality hit me, I realized how scared I was of my husband. Me, I'm five feet tall, but not tiny at all, more like a French horse :D , and my husband is easily 100 pounds heavier. He has terrible rages. He could hurt me, and not mean to really.

I had to force myself to "build bridges" with the police, and with anyone else I could get my hands on. I was so isolated and alone. I can imagine you would find oodles of support through women's organizations, which are thick in big cities. You just have to reach out, the help is there. Your immigration status issues may be easily resolved in a way you don't know about yet.

Right now it seems like your husband is the only one that can help you meet your considerable needs, but I disagree. With a little work reaching out for help, there will be help for you. Let the law take care of your husband perhaps they'll send him for alcohol treatment. He needs help too, he needs to quit drinking, obviously, but he'll need help and time for that. Now is a bad time, I realize, but why wait until he knocks you in the head the next time you guys get into it?

As bad as your situation looks, there's a way out. Keep your mind open. I know you are afraid, and open minds and fear don't go well together. Keep coming here, get to know us, and read read read the posts. You aren't alone at all. Take care dear! Kim


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Hi Irish,

Welcome, I'm glad you found us. What a situation huh?
Firstly, take a big deep breath, a couple of them. Know that you now have a support system, although we don't have all the answers even though we are professional "fixers".

So many here have been through a similar experience. And you're right. Boundaries should be set with clear consequences you can back up 100%.
You are projecting that he has lost all faith in the marriage. He may come out telling you that HE was wrong, he's had plenty of time to think about it.
If it were me in your situation, I would have done exactly the same thing. Violence is never OK (for either partner). Please don't take on all the blame for what happened.

I don't think trying to change your statement will make much difference. I understand you are in quite a situation but try to remember that "this too shall pass". Believe it or not, sometimes these things are the best thing that ever happened. It presents itself in a way that can't be ignored and leaves little choice but to do something about what caused the circumstances.

It seems as if you both will have some soul searching to do. Where do you go from here? Well, right here was a great choice.
Alanon has many tools to use in the midst of chaos. It is not a quick fix, it is more a program of self discovery. You will learn that when it comes to the disease of Alcoholism, screaming, begging, threatening, name calling etc. just doesn't work. Like any disease it cannot be fought with words.
What we first try to grasp is that we are powerless over alcoholism.
We did not cause it. We cannot cure it. We cannot control it. What we can change is our reactions. Take one day at a time and try not to forsee the worst. Take one problem at a time and tackle what you can. If there is something you can't do anything about, realize that and do your best to let it go. If there is nothing you can do then worrying about it is fruitless.

Do have access to a taxi to get food and diapers? First things first. One day at time. Breathe....
Just for today I will try to live through this day only, and not tackle all my problems at once.

From *just For Today*
Just for today I will try to live through this day only, and not tackle all my problems at once. I can do something for twelve hours that would appall me if I felt that I had to keep it up for a lifetime.

There are meetings 2x a day in the chatroom, 9a.m and 9 p.m. Eastern time. In between those times there is "general chat" where people are willing to listen and give their experience, strength and hope. Please tell them it is your first time there.

keep coming back,
Christy
I can do something for twelve hours that would appall me if I felt that I had to keep it up for a lifetime.


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Hi Irish , u do not come across silly or nieve . I am sorry your going thru this but it could be a blessing in disguise . Perhaps he will get the help he needs this time . i't time he took responsibility for his behavior , dragging and pulling preg. women around carrying a child is unexceptable , you say it was the first time pretty good chance it won't be the last .
Until we stop enabling nothing will ever change ,absolutley nothing changes til someone changes .  Please find a Al-Anon meeting quickly you need support and u will find it there , people who understand what your going thru and will help u get your life back on track . Once settled in our prog you are never alone again . Please call 1-888-4alanon for a contact in your area , it is a toll free international number . lines are open 8=8pm mon thru fri .  There is nothing you can do about him but alot you can do for yourself and your children .



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OK *several deep breaths*

Thank you SO MUCH for your replies.  It's exactly what I needed. 

I have been to several meetings here before and used to frequent the chatroom quite often - I need to get regular about it again.  This week alone will give me the chance to do that.

I have been to F2F meetings too - to be honest I never got a lot out of them before and more than once I was made very depressed.  But I shall look into it - I don't even know if it is possible with a young baby and no babysitter.

Now, I have an Irish license, so I *am able* to drive theoretically, LOL.  I have driven short distances before in the past, but not in a long time.  I still get very confused by driving on the right instead of the left, and there are different laws here (like right-on-red) that we don;t have back home.  I was stopped by the police once out driving to the grocery store when I firsdt arrived here 6 years ago - one of the tail lights was out - and he looked at my license and said it was OK "for now".  But I really don't know if that would stick if I got stopped now - I'm guessing they would expect me to get a NY license in this time period.Also I am not insured to drive our car.   But, I drive very safely and  keep to speed limits and the car is all inspected and everything works (except the a/c, ugh), so I figured that the police would have to be having a really slow night to stop a harmless looking Irish woman with a baby in the back (it's funny - back home in Belfast I used to get stopped all the time because it's Catholics that were profiled.  Here they don't look at me twice because I'm white!). 

So I took Keevy out for a late-night jaunt.  We went to the ATM and I withdrew the rent money - I guess I had been putting off doing that in case in a pinch I was asked to use it for bail.  But even if I bailed AH out - he would still have to find a shelter somehow for the next week, because the order of protection says he can't come near us (I DO hope they remove that at the hearing though, a week from Monday).  If he can smooth it over with work (his new boss is very understanding and loves him - it was his old boss who wrote him up for time abuse, 4 days before Christmas and on the day of her retirement), then perhaps he's better off where he is.  PRESUMING he's not being abused there, he has 3 square meals and a roof over his head and plenty of time to think.  (BTW, are County prisons any different from State prisons?  Is he less likely to get a hard time in the County prison that he is in?)

So I put the rent in an envelope and slid it up under my landlady's door - as it is paid in advance it at least measn that for the month of July (and the first week of Aug - rent is paid on the 8th) we have a place to stay.

There is $233 left in the account to make it until the 18th.  Presuming AH gets out on the 16th, that is when he gets paid. Even if he doesn't get out, I can go to his work and pick up the cheque like I did on Wednesday - they are paid a month in arrears, so this time he is absent shouldn't affect the next cheque.   That isn't too scary - the gas tank is full, and all we will need is food for me, and formula and diapers for Keevy.  And there are probably enough groceries in the house to last another week or so anyway.

So then I went to the 24 hour pharmacy too, and got diapers and formula.  It's expensive, but I got just enough to tide me over - I *will* drive to Walmart on Monday and get the bigger packs/cans there. 

And you're right - this too shall pass.  It's a week.  I'll speak to the prosecuting atty and the defending atty, and get advuice about what it's best to say.  But I'm not going to let anyone sway me into saying anything untrue - I'll go through the statement with a fine tooth comb and bring up anything in there that is wrong or that I exagerrated.  The crux of it  is the same - he forcibly covered my nose and mouth and I couldn't breathe properly.  He will have attended a full week (more actually) of AA by then, and it's a misdemeanour charge - so I'm hopeful that they will let him out and he can come home.  Especially as the judge is aware that our livlihood depends on him.

And you're also right - I am just assuming that he will have lost faith in the marriage.  I have to remember that he DID do this - often in the past I have made up stuff that he hasn't done and told him about it the next day when he couldn't remember.  He did this and it's not OK - and he should be sorry.  We have caused each other a lot of hurt, I'm sorry too.

I don't know if this will be his rock bottom - I suspect not because this was a forced thing and he didn't come to it himself.   However, I think it might have been *my* rock bottom - things have to change now. 

Calling the cops was always my big threat, every time he drank.  I can't use that any more - because I'm guessing it'll just keep getting more serious now that he has a record, even if I call them for something more minor.  And I have been threatening to leave a lot recently too - that tends to go hand in hand with telling him I don't love him.  That would get us into a fight because he would start on about how I'll never be able to take his daughter out of the country - now there is no question that I would, even though I'm an illegal immigrant and she's an American.  At the DA's office 2 social workers and 2 attys have told me that there will be no problem with her going.  So I can't make that empty threat any more now either - because I always just assumed that I wouldn't be able to follow through on it.  Now I have to be prepared to follow up on it - but that's good too. It gives me a focus and I can start making plans, even if I don't ever use them.

And while I am completely exhausted - I'm also learning that I can do it on my own.  If I can do it here, with no help - I can certainly do it back home with the help of grandparents and uncles who are dying to get their hands on this child, LOL.

So, if he really wants to try to work through it and is committed to the programme, then I am willing.  If he wants to go our separate ways, I am also willing. 

PLUS all this week I have got to snuggle with my daughter in bed with me at night instead of a blanket hogging snoring lump - what could possibly be bad about that?????  LOL

THANK YOU so much - I feel a lot better already!


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BTW - CPS came out yesterday to visit, apparently they have to because my daughter was in the apt when it happened.   I thought I would get some warning, but he just showed up.  She was content and smiled at the man, he could see that she's plump and well taken care of, and of course there are no marks on her or anything like that.  I probably should have shown him her well baby records so he can see that she's at the pediatrician every month and gets great medical care, but I didn't think to.   He asked to see where she sleeps and if there is food for her in the house - I showed him her crib and the formula in the fridge (I make it up in a batch in the morning).  I forgot to show him the can of formula in the cupboard and the jars of baby food there too - he didn't ask either.  I keep the place very clean, though I had let it go a little because of all the upset.  But there was nothing on the floor (except Keevy's play gym, which she was using) and the kitchen was spotless - the place could have used a vacuum (but the vacuum cleaner was sitting out in the living room - maybe he thought I was about to use it, I have been intending to for days now, LOL).  I hadn't scooped the cat litter that day, and it probably stunk (I have no sense of smell, so I can't tell) - but it's in a room I never go into with the baby.  Scooping it is AH's job and you're not supposed to handle cat litter while pregnant, so I've just been scooping once a day.  I didn't say that to him though.

Anyhow - I know his visit was a matter of course and he was friendly.  But could social services ever be tempted to take her away??  It's the most chilling thought ever to me.  I mean, our place is tiny and we don't have a lot - but she never wants for anything.  Her crib, bouncer, play gym, swing and toys have taken over the apt and her dresser is overflowing with her clothes, and she has her own book case for all her books.  And I'm here with her all the time - they could never think of taking her could they??  Would he have had to say something at the time?  He gave me his card and said he was the evening case worker, and gave me the number of the regular case worker - telling me to call her so that she'll remember me.  He also said that they probably would have to come out again (once AH comes home??) - is that bad?  I'm freaking myself out now - just when I was feeling a little peace!  I'm going to scoop the litter right now!!


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My guess is CPS was just doing their job to follow up on the domestic violence referral. They aren't likely to take the baby unless you stubbornly stay in a violent situation. They see some really desperate situations, and for them to come and see a healthy baby, food in the house, a clean kitchen, you are probably fine.

If the violence continues, they will come back out. Violence may not be occurring directly to the babe but she could be hurt so easily during an episode between you and your husband. What a horror that would be. The alcoholic may love and cherish their children when sober, but when drunk and emotions high during a fight, nothing is predictable. The stinky cat box is the least of your worries (as far as CPS goes). It's the fact of the violence in the home. Domestic violence has a pattern. Once it becomes enough that the police get involved, it usually gets worse and that's why they made their first contact.

In spite of being afraid they'll take the baby, they are support for you. The police and social services are as well. Being a social worker yourself, if you look at your situation objectively, you can see why all these agencies are getting involved. They've seen the end result over and over.

You won't be the first abused spouse to recant her original complaint. You may make yourself look careless by taking back your original statement. And besides, it HAPPENED, he's in jail, it's all factual. The landlady is a witness, probably to more than you realize.

Let the situation unfold as it will, and you both will be more likely to get the help that you need.



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Hi Irish,
I'm glad to see you are feeling better. About the driving thing....
It's really not a good idea for you to drive with no lisence and no insurance, it's all illegal. If you happen to get stopped for anything for sure the car gets impounded, and Heaven knows what would happen to you and Keevy (I love her name). You may end up sitting beside your husband!!
You sure can't control other drivers. If someone hit you, even bumped you in a parking lot, an even bigger nightmare would unfold. IMO, it's just not worth the risk.
You'd be better off asking a lisenced driver to drive your car. Maybe your landlady would do it for you? Don't be afraid to ask. You and Keevy are priority #1. Do what it takes, legally.

Like you, I previously attended Alanon and found it less then I expected. I guess I just wasn't ready at the time. I think I went expecting them to tell me what to do to fix HIM and all I got was how "I" had to change. My reaction was "screw that", I'm not the drunk!!! I totally didn't understand. I waited 10 yrs before I came here and tried again. I went back to meetings with new eyes and attitude. It's been an incredible journey for me. Alanon helped me bring peace to my life and was a stepping stone to much larger things.
I hope you do try again. It seems you are in need of some friends at this time and you can find them there. I'm sure there are people there that would help you out with driving or giving you a ride etc..
Ask yourself what you need today, then take steps to accomplish it. Be good to yourself :)

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Atta girl Irish , there is nothing you can't do .  get back into meetings make new friends , you will find people who have been where your at and can maybe point u in directions that you hadn't thought of all u gotta do is ASK  which I know were not good at  hehe . but there comes a time for all of us that we do have to ask .   goodluck  Louise

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I presume your order is an emergency protective order. There has to be a hearing at some point and if you don't want the order I am sure that will go to to some effect.

I can well understand your immigration issues. I also know that technically you are not illegal given the fact that you are married to a citizen. There are laws that battered women can't be deported so in theory at least you are not facing that.

I also well understand loving someone who is out of control. I lived with an A for 7 years who gradually became more of out of control. His health tanker. We separated. I still care for him deeply. I set tremendous limits on what I will and won't do these days.

I also know that for me the heart of it is my own issues around boundaries, taking care of myself no matter what (and I can certainly empathise with issues around poverty resources and more).

There are resources you can access, admittedly they dont' just fall in your lap. There are counselors you can go to. There are programs you can look at. There are ways out of isolation one is to be here.

I would also suggest not to make any hasty decisions the issue of whether to go to Ireland or not is a huge one. In theory at least you can go to the Irish embassy and ask them for help. When and if you do that is another issue. There are also battered women's programs that would in theory help you fund a plane ticket. A ticket to Ireland is not the only issue though.

I know for me the crux of the matter is how do I manage my own codependence and my issues with the A. There are times when I can be cooperative with him and other times when I feel the only way out is to flee as far from him as I can. There are also times when i feel overly responsible for him.

There are also days when I can detach and look at what I can do and what I can't do without going insane.

I hope you can work on the detachment issue. You dont' have to solve all this in a day. You have decisions to make true but they don't all have to be made this second.

The legal process is a onerous one. At the same time as far as I know there is no blacklash if you dont' want a protective order you dont' have to have one. Admittedly there are issues if there is one but at some point there has to be a hearing. You can certainly speak to a battered women's agency about what you can and can't say at the hearing. You have a right to your opinion. At the hearing there also can be an order for your support and care.

Keep posting and get as much support as you can. I for one am not going to tell you to leave him in the dust. I can't seem to leave the A in the dust as much as I see that is rational and sane. There are many many ties for some of us. There is also the whole emotional picture that for some people takes a long long time to resolve.

Those are all issues you can work on but taking care of you and the babies is important. I am so sorry you got attacked labelled and denigrated on another site. I am sorry to hear that. I know this site is in no way like that. No one here is going to judge you if you leave him, when you leave him, how you leave him, what you do to leave him, what you do to stay, all that is your choice, no one elses'. We all have opinions and for many of us hearing about the mess someone in brings up a lot. I have been in many many huge messes with the A. At the same time I do love him and care for him and it goes beyond feeling sorry for him and the bonds we have with various issues. I do set tremendous limits these days. I also know my limitations. When I get to certain points I no longer let my health go down the toilet.

Take care of yourself. Some days it may be all you can do to take care of one thing at a time.

Maresie.


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