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Post Info TOPIC: How Much Detachment for A Daughter


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How Much Detachment for A Daughter


First, let me give you a little background before asking my question:


My A daughter, in her 30's, lives in another city. She has been in rehab twice, has stayed sober for some fairly extended periods of time, but has had several dramatic relapses. When she starts drinking, she manages to handle it for awhile but eventually (and sooner each time) goes on benders that leave her wandering the streets of her tough city in the middle of night looking for drinks, driving drunk, lying drunk in her apartment all day, refusing to let anyone in. She stops calling or seeing friends and won't take calls. She has a good counselor (a recovering A herself) but won't stick with AA after doing 90 in 90.

Three times her friends have contacted me and two of those times I've come to her city to get her to the ER for IV fluids, and spent a few days with her. Her last relapse was last week. I realized that my appearing to "save her life" is probably doing more harm than good, and have told her that she's going to have to handle it herself, and that I know that if she's conscious enough to walk the streets to find booze, she's conscious enough to dial 911.

She's been great this time about agreeing that I shouldn't intervene again. She's also agreed with her counselor that she needs to take AA seriously, and actually spoke up and told her story (the first time she's shared at a local AA meeting since rehab) at a recent meeting, and I think she's on the road to recovery. We're touching base by phone but just to chat about our days, and I feel relieved that I'm actually feeling detached and loving and proud of her, and aware that she CAN do this by herself with help from her HP, much as she doesn't take to that kind of AA talk.

Now to my question: does anyone else on this forum deal with a distant A child? What sort of parameters have you set on your relationship with them? Do you have any way of knowing how they're doing physically, or do you scrupulously stay away from how they're managing their addiction? Has your loved one disappeared for periods of time? Does it make you anxious? Do you attempt to locate them or simply try to keep on keeping on with your own life?

All insights, ideas, reactions very much welcomed.

Shep

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Aloha Shep!  Answers to your questions are yes, yes, yes and yes and been there done that several times but don't do it now so that the answer to your last question is yes!!  Easy test.


What I found out was that I was never helping but enabling.  There is a difference I was taught.  If they have the time, ability and facility to get their needs met and I step in and take over? that's enabling.  If they lack any one of those things AND they ask me for help after which I consider if I can, am able and am willing to then that is helping.  My alcoholic had to learning to be responsible for herself when I quit the job of it.  She also had to learn to be responsible to herself and eventually found AA for real.  Last time I check?...she was sober and doing fine without me.  My family including my adult children do fine without me even when fine means that they are suffering alot of different pains.  Often times they come and want to talk about it and I pray that it's my HP's voice and will when I speak including my experiences from recovery.  After we speak they will make their own decisions still from their best needs and desires and that's okay because I don't have any expectations of them nor do I checkup on how the situation comes out.  I do know that if you keep doing the same things over and over expecting different results, that's insanity and I pass this on.  If we were mean't to know they will informs us.  I am detached from my two brothers and their families.  They still are practicing the disease and in that practice the phone works only one way and I don't believe they can call out.  I give them the opportunity to make contact.  We have our differences and the gap is wider because I choose to stay in this spiritual program of recovery while they choose to do what they do including drink alcoholicly and bring pressure on our relationships.  I'm okay with it today.  HP takes care of the big stuff.  I take care of surrendering to HP, working the program as best I can and passing on what I learn to those who are willing to listen, take suggestions, change and go on to help others with the same need.  A part of my family hated that I was in recovery and got really upset.  (An honest and threatening reaction.)


Turn your daughter over to recovering alcoholics cause they know best how to do it and after you do that turn yourself over to the spiritual principles of this program, go to lots of meetings and "Abandon yourself to God as you understand God."


You can detatch in so many ways.  I have found that detaching with unconditional love is best for me.  The definition of love that I use today also came from this program and was given to me because my old definition was screwed.   Ready?  "Love is the complete and total acceptance of any other person for exactly who they are."     Your daughter is many things including your daughter and she is an alcoholic.  You get to accept it all and detach.  Turn her over to God as you understand God along with yourself and keep going on with your life not hers.  It is hard at first.  With practice it gets better.  It never get's perfect because we only work for progress so that keep us coming back.  Read Al-Anon literature including the opening statements of the meetings and the promises at the end of the meeting (love them).


Good Luck and Keep coming back. ((((((hugs))))))



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Jerry,

Thanks for your wonderful reply. I'm going to keep it nearby to reread when I start questioning myself. It seems so clear to me now, and I'm going to work to keep it clear.

Shep

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My daughter is 23 and in another city.  Honestly, I find it so hard to answer your questions.  I will just state what I do.  I keep in contact with her by phone, we usually talk once or twice a week.  She is working and she has found a place to stay.  Not the best place, in my opinion, but it is close to work and as she doesn't have a car, there are avantages to that.  She was going to counseling for several months, but has also stopped that, she says because she won't take the bus the distance she needs to in order to get to the counselor.  It is very hot whre she is now, over a 100 degrees everyday, however, it is cooler in the morning so.....She was in a bad accident when she first got out where she is, suffered two broken ankles and a skull fracture.  She was staying with her cousin, but as soon as she was able she got out and found her current job and moved out to where she is now.  Progress, in my eyes, has slowed down considerably.  She has asked us for help getting a car, at this point, I won't help with that.  There is public transportation and not having a car is a big inconvience, but not insurmontable. 


What I have found with my daughter is she has to be the one to want something bad enough to do what needs to be done to get it.  She will not do something, even if it is in her best interest, just because I want her to do it.  I have told her I am willing to help, but I have certain expectations.  Apparently, she doesn't want my help all that much because she doesn't meet those expectations, getting back into counseling being the main one.  She also complains about where she is living, but doesn't do much about getting out of the situation.  She makes her own choices.  I am not always sure that she is capable of making the best decisions, what with the injuries from the car accident and I do believe she has done some damage to herself with the drugs she has used in the past.  She would probably benefit from getting on medication, but she has choosen not to.  So I guess that is somewhat of a response to someone else who said basically, if someone has the ability to help themselves, then we should let them do it, I don't always know if she has the ability to help herself and that is what causes me to question my decisions regarding how much I help her.   The problem is, I love her so and I would lay down my life for her, I just have to keep trying to make decisions and offering help when I think it is going to be something that will really help her on her way to being an adult.  I do not want to do things that just enable to her stay dependant on me.  It is very difficult. 


Having said all that, I am glad she is far away, it forces her to do much more on her own.  I do try to encourage her and I try to just listen.  She is my only child and I don't think I can just let go so I am trying to just listen without offering advice unless it is asked for.  I try to set my boundaries regarding what I will help with, but sometimes the boundaries change, I am only human and only trying to do my best in a difficult situation.


My thoughts and prayers are with you and your child.



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Shep - What a great question - I too, like many of us here, work with that question daily.


My beautiful, intelligent 28 year old step-daughter inheirted her father's good looks, charm and sorrowfully, his disease of alcoholism and addiction.  She has two very special children whom we see very seldom, one is with her ex and the other with her Mom & Step-father.  The past two years have been really tough.  My husband has 3 plus years in AA and I almost 3 years in Al-Anon.  It has been difficult learning to set boundaries and stop the enabling to her disease.  Before she lost the children, she used them often for manupulation. 


With the help of my sponsor and this program, I started setting those boudaries and detaching for her "craziness"  I love her so much, enough to try to let go and let God.  It has been difficult for my husband and I - we of course have been on different recovery levels in making decisions on her requests.  Several times I had to say "no" and he wanted to say "yes" - Finally, I had to tell him, that I would live somewhere else for a few weeks if he wanted to let her stay at our home.  Not leaving him or divorce, just giving him the space - I don't want to live in a household without recovery.


He was able to see that letting her live with us was not a wise choice.  She is sometimes angry, sometimes under the influence and sometimes that beautiful person that I know still lives inside her. 


Her Mom & Step-Dad are not in recovery (Al-Anon) so they do not understand our actions or lack of reactions with her behavior - even the sucide attempt.  Their thinking, if her father could get recovery, why can't he get her clean and sober.  My heart breaks for them, for they too are suffering without help for their pain.


It is very difficult not to try to help with the grandchildren, but that is not a healthy thing for us right now, maybe one day that will change . . .


Keep with your program, trust your HP and my thoughts and prayers will be with you . . .


Rita



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No advice, but I just wanted to say that it sounds like your daughter is making steps toward recovery and that is a wonderful miracle!

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