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Trust and Faith


My mind is overflowing with information and thoughts from a meeting.  I am, once more, having new thoughts and ideas.  What I am struggling with is the difference between TRUST and FAITH.  These are both new feelings for me which I am trying to figure out.  I feel that there is more of a feeling base for faith than trust.  I looked in the dictionary and came up with


Trust:


  • Firm reliance on the integrity, ability, or character of a person or thing.
  • Custody; care.
  • Something committed into the care of another; charge
  • To have or place confidence in; depend on.

    faith


    *Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.


    *Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.


    *complete confidence in a person or plan etc



  • If anyone can give me your take on the difference I would really appreciate. 



  • My feelings are so mixed us since I haven't experienced many of them for a real long time..  I am just trying to make sense of them.



  • Thanks.


    Linda



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    Big Book definition of Faith and pages it can be found....


    faith - 5,9,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,38,43,62,70,72,99,101,103,112,114,
    121,131,153
    - belief  not resting on logical proof or material evidence / belief /
    mental acceptance of the truth of something / reliance / absolute certainty in the
    trustworthiness of another / religion / those who accept and practice a particular religious belief /
    a system of religious belief  / a set of beliefs or principles


    FAITH CANNOT BE TOUCHED, it is a feeling,  when lost only you can allow it to return


    sorry they don't have the T's online yet.


    Trust is something that must be earned backed by someone, something. It is earned back by actions outside of your control.


    That's my 2 cents worth for now, if I find more I will let you know by editing the post.


    Josey



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    A decision is "the making up of one's mind" whereas a choice is "expressing a preference or taking care in selecting something."


    I think you make a decision to trust and you make a choice of faith.


    Your gonna get rich on my 2 cents worth, you got me thinking on this one. I read that quote today and thought of your question.


    Josey


     



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    To me trust and faith are pretty much the same.


    examples:


    I trust that she is truthful.


    I have faith in her honesty.


    I trust you with my anonymity.


    I have faith in your integrity.


    I trust God to take care of me.


    I have faith in God to take care of me.


    B's faith is evident.


    B's trust is obvious.


    ..............


    So I think the idea is to ask your HP to give you trust and faith.


    Thanks for this interesting post,


    Peewee


     



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    Linda,
    you've raised an interesting ?

    I don't think there is a right or wrong answer ... looking at the definitions from the dictionary, even, the 3rd bullet for faith is very similar to the 4th bullet for trust. So I think, it may be up to the person, if the words mean something different to each of us.

    For me, faith is what I believe that does not necessarily rely on logical proof. I have faith in HP. I cannot logically, physically prove HP exists ... but I believe it, as surely as I believe the sun will rise tomorrow. For me, faith is like being pregnant, I either have it or I don't.

    And for me, trust, is like a gift I give to another, including HP, or to myself -- and like other gifts it can have different sizes depending on the occasion or the relationship. So, Trust has more gradations for me. I am willing to believe that most people have some level of integrity, and so when I meet them, I will share a little bit, and see what they do with it (I used to share more ... but I've learned through al anon that "easy does it."). If they are Trust - worthy, then I will share a little more, and see if they have the integrity that allows me to depend upon them with information/people/things that are precious or valuable to me, including me and my feelings. But if a person's actions has shown me (especially more than once) that they are not worthy of my trust in them, then I will reassess what I share with them and/or how I interact with them. Some people can be trusted with a little bit of info only, some with none, and some with it all.

    For me, your question is not just academic. It has helped me tonight think through certain boundary issues with persons in my life. Some people are dear to me, but they are not people I would turn to in a crisis -- they are a friend, but it is ltd; we share only certain things in our lives, and no more. Some people have violated the trust I have placed in them so aggregiously, that while I have forgiven them, I am not reconciled with them, and if we do reconcile at some point, our relationship would be very ltd because I would not trust them with much. I have learned they do not have the integrity that I can depend upon. And I think trust goes to that issue that I am struggling with, that I have just learned this past year in al anon --"my picker is broken" -- I have made bad choices in the past about who to trust, and so I must take it slow in choosing who to trust and how much info at a time -- "Easy Does It" speaks to this for me.

    Thanks for helping me think about this a bit more -- and re what I've said, take what works for you and leave the rest.
    Take care,
    emma.

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    Thats a very good question - I personally cant differentiate between them.  I think they go hand in hand - you cant trust a person and not have faith in them and vice versa. You cant trust your Higher Power to be there for you - and not have faith in it. 


    I am not quite sure myself.



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    ((((((sandie))))))


    I think trust comes before faith.I'll trust someone alittle,then when I learn my trust was well placed and they are trustworthy,I will trust some more,kinda like emma said.


    Then, once you know a person is trustworthy you can have faith that they will do as you trust them to do.This applies to people as well as HP.I let go....cautiously...trusting...He comes through for me,so I trust Him again.Eventually I have faith in Him to take care of me.


    I think there is another definition for faith,as shown in the Big Book definitions that josey provided,and that is a belief in something that you cannot prove the existance of.(like God).I had belief in God before I learned to trust Him.So that was a different kind of faith.


    I dunno if I've helped any.Good topic.             d     



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