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Post Info TOPIC: This just isn't going to go the way I want.


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This just isn't going to go the way I want.


And maybe that's OK.

It has been years since I spent any length of time with my mother, you might recall I spent 3 days at her holiday house a year ago and almost lost my mind. The thing is a year later and with what I think are more refined and defined boundaries, I have no tolerance for it, and am finding any kind of detachment almost impossible. I know it's almost over now, she goes away for the weekend and I will have moved out before she gets back and I am going to have to limit contact after that and I think I am OK with that now.. But I have stopped living with A, who would mostly stay in his room and ignore me and once a fortnight or so get drunk and make life unbearable for a day or 2 but mostly he left me alone, and it strikes me that my mother never, ever, ever stops and aside from one night where she was sloshed and complimentary, she has been really awful and the contempt has been really awful and hurtful. She cannot stop badgering people, it's like a mental illness and perhaps it is. I have given up and am avoiding her as much as possible now. I suspect she cannot stand the fact that I won't go back to desperately trying to appease her, I don't think she has any idea of how to relate to me now that I do not bow and scrape and apologise constantly, but she's clearly very agitated and very upset over everything I say or do or even what she perceives that I might be thinking. I can't tell you how many accusations have begun with "well I suppose you think blah blah blah". I can't abide this sort of nonsense anymore, I'm sorry but it's so childish and it infuriates me and I get angry and have to walk away. No, I don't just sit there thinking about her and it really makes me angry that she is constantly trying to tell me what I think, I don't think I ever realised how childish it is and how ridiculous it was that I spent so much of my life trying to reason with it and sooth it better. When she says "I suppose you think" I have come to see that what she means is, "This is what I feel guilty about and I am going to tell you why I shouldn't feel guilty about it but I'm going to say it's you that is thinking it and then argue with you and make you feel terrible for the thing I feel guilty about which has actually got nothing to do with you at all but lets just say it does. Now sit there and take it and say you are sorry for my guilt so I can absolve myself and hand my bad feelings to you to deal with". That is a bit of a mouthful I guess but its the same thing over and over and it really isn't something I can buy into anymore. Deal with your own guilt lady, I have my own stuff to deal with.

So I went for a walk with daughter this evening and as soon as we were away from the house daughter let it all out...how grandma just badgers her non-stop and picks on everything she says and does and then when she finally snaps then grandma acts all hurt and she feels guilty and she feels so bad for being snappy but its unbearable and she doesn't know what to do, she snapped and grandma and now she feels so bad and thinks grandma is upset with her......yes I know that cycle, it's never ending. I let daughter talk it out, I assure her it's OK and that we do things very differently in our home and that it is very hard to adjust to a completely "different" way of relating....and I remind her of how wonderful it will be to have a home just for us where we make the rules and no badgering, passive aggressive nonsense or hysterical bull-poo will be allowed. I didn't want her feeling guilty about losing patience with my mother because that's the trap I fall into, then I try to placate her and it keeps it rolling along...I did tell daughter that I think grandma has been in these habits for many many many years now and it is probably automatic behaviour to her now and not done with the intent to drive us insane but because we don't live with her or see her often, it clashes with our somewhat relaxed and calm way of relating to each other and dealing with life's adventures and obstacles. Everyone is different, we are just used to a more peaceful "live and let live"approach... it's different here, this is what they are used to and they don't realise how stressful it is to other people....well that was the best I could think of to tell her, ugh. She hates the city, hates how rude everyone is, hates the crowds and everything is dirty and smelly she says, she cannot wait to get back to our side of town where there are fewer people and everyone is usually nice...oh me too, me too.

So anyway the point is it's really going very badly between my mother and I and the more I try to make myself be calm and detached the more I find I keep snapping; I haven't been cruel or shouted but several times I have held my hand up to her and said in an angry fed up tone "you need to stop, you stop this, stop badgering me please, I can't hear myself think" and walked away. She hasn't taken that very well at all but she gets in my face and just goes and goes and goes like a freaking pitbull about the most trivial of things and stuff that just isn't any of her business! No matter how hard I try to be cheerful and discuss happy or interesting things instead she just turns every single thing into what I have done wrong and why that is a terrible burden to her. EVERYTHING is about her. I lost it after dinner tonight when daughter mentioned that something of hers was broken and straight away grandma started harping about how "well you'd better not put it in OUR bin, there's no room in OUR bin", I had spilled something on my shirt earlier and she saw me do it and said "I suppose you think you will be using MY washing machine do you, well I thought you would use the laundromat while you were here (all of my siblings use the washing machine, my sister doesnt even live here but she comes home to wash, mother is beside herself because I have used her washing machine 3 times. How dare I?". Then I received a text message to say a lady I don't much like has been trying to contact me and as soon as she heard me discussing it she started screaming "Well she better not turn up here, I'm not kidding Melissa I don't want your weird friends turning up here" she got absolutely hysterical and was pointing her finger and stabbing the air at me and virtually frothing at the mouth over this imaginary situation she cooked up. She's never met the woman I was talking about and had heard only that I was not happy that she had been asking for my number because she's very annoying. The way mother reacted was as if she overheard me making arrangements to throw a party for escapees from the maximum security prison. I ended up having a panic attack myself in the end, heart palpitations, couldn't breathe, hands shaking for ages afterwards, whew. It was not good, I stopped having those over 6 months ago I thought. I find this sort of behaviour really stressful and intollerable now yet I grew up with it and lived with it or the first 15 years of my life. It is SO STRESSFUL!!!!

So anyway I could go on all night complaining and citing examples but really what it comes down to is, I had an expectation that she would be nice once I had secure a house and perhaps enjoy spending some time with myself and my daughter. I had an expectation that we would be able to get along and be on good terms. Now it is up to me whether I choose to let that unmet expectation turn into a resentment or not. I don't have to. She's just doing things the way she has always done them, I am the one that has changed. I can't tolerate it, and that's good, for me, it shows me that I have made progress and I am not a doormat anymore and do not get confused and upset by sick people spewing nonsense at me and about me. Obviously now is not the time for my mother and I to have a relationship, maybe that time will not come or maybe it will some day, its unknown. It's OK, I think I am OK with this now.

Whats good is that this Sunday is daughter's birthday and at her request I have booked us tickets to some gigantic waterslide  (it's a 400 meter slip n slide in the main park in the city, just there fr 1 day as a big event. A 400 meter slide, wow, that's pretty big....we have a ticket to ride it for 3 hours...and she has birthday money to spend...it wil be an awesome weekend ane then on Tuesday we move to our new house, mega yay....On Thursday she begins high school...2 weeks later I am back on campus to complete my bachelor degree after a 2 year hiatus (I enrolled in classes today, finally). There is so much to enjoy and look forward to. Yay!!

 

 



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You can't change other people's behavior only how YOU react to it. The up side is, she let you stay when you needed to get out of your other place and you have a NEW place to go to in a few days. It sounds like you are dealing with her behaviors the best you can. A lot of things in life are not fair. Maybe like you said, one day, you will be able to have a relationship with her. Some times it doesn't work out because we are just too different in our thinking and actions. I know you had high hopes for a different outcome and I am so sorry that didn't happen. Hugs to you...sounds like you are going to have a GREAT time with your daughter this weekend...something to look forward to!



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I am not unhappy about how things are turning out, I guess I needed to make some peace with myself regarding my mother and it is going to be different to what i thought it should be. What I am seeing is that I am really starting to feel OK in my own skin and free to be who I am and the more that happens the more I will clash with her and the harder it will be for us to get along. at least for the moment. That's positive really.

Daughter made an interesting point when we were walking and talking, that she thinks my mother and her stepmother (both quite similar people) are always angry with us because they "wish they could have fun and laugh at stuff and not always be upset about everything, like we are mum but they don't know how and it makes them angry". I liked that she placed their anger and sometimes upsetting behaviour back with them. That gave me cause to smile.

It is shaping up to be a great weekend; giant waterslides and shopping, not much to complain about really now fingers crossed for clement weather!

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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)

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Interesting post Melly. The "I suppose you think" really grabbed my attention. I had to deal with this, have learned to nicely and calmly respond with "What makes you think that?" When I was disappointed in how my Mom was handling things, I was encouraged to be patient and told that more will be revealed. More time and patience were needed than I had on hand, but time passed anyway, and I'm coming to understand things now that I didn't understand before. I'm hoping you'll come to find a greater serenity with your Mom, just keep on keeping on. It's also possible that your Mom will show herself differently to you when she sees your confidence in yourself. Your MIP family is here to support your journey.

Your daughter's birthday celebration plans sound amazing and so much fun!

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Wow I love how you worded this ((("This is what I feel guilty about and I am going to tell you why I shouldn't feel guilty about it but I'm going to say it's you that is thinking it and then argue with you and make you feel terrible for the thing I feel guilty about which has actually got nothing to do with you at all but lets just say it does. Now sit there and take it and say you are sorry for my guilt so I can absolve myself and hand my bad feelings to you to deal with"))) This was so my Mother and in the end she would run off crying to her room and slam the door and I would feel terrible like I did something wrong. Wow double wow I thought I was the only one that grew up in such insanity, when I was really young it usually ended in a beating to put the cherry on top. No wonder I felt like a worthless heap most my life, huh! I am so glad your awareness has taught you that it isn't you. And no wonder you had a panic attack, your sympathetic nervous system is on hyperoverdrive with your Mother around. You sound so healthy in the midst of it all and I am so glad you found al-anon and MIP, it really has been life changing for me as well. Sending you much love and support on your journey!

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Most of my friends are going through this on some level mel. Conflict with their mother, i think it may be a natural part of life. Im also sure that had my own mother lived longer, i would be challenging her too, its like a last struggle or breaking away from the mother, daughter relationship. Im also pretty sure that my daughter will feel similar things about me and the struggle will need to happen. Your daughter may also challenge your thinking and way of doing things. I miss my mother and would love to have her here but im kind of relieved that our relationship didnt reach this stage. Ive missed out on a period in life that my friends are struggling with in similar ways you are.
I see it a bit differently from my friends, maybe because my mums dead, im not sure. I often see it from the mothers point of view. I suppose its because im the mother and im not a daughter, ive not been a daughter for over 10 years. My mother was flawed, im flawed, my daughters flawed. I hope she doesnt keep looking at my flaws, i hope she remembers good things ive done and sees and feels the love even if i dont show it and im cranky and crazy and thoughtless and mean in years to come. My suggestion is make a list of the good stuff, look really hard and look at all the good things shes done over the years, everytime the bad stuff wants to come in, push it out if you can. Shes not here forever and a bit of healing love between you before you go would be amazing for you, her and for your daughter to see.

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Ps your plans sound great and your getting better and better.x

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Mel...not much to say. You already processed it through to the end and pretty much closed out with acceptance. The family dynamics are pretty difficult and you are doing well. Hold your head up and keep moving forward. Reminds me of the slogan "Your mom knows how to push your buttons because she installed them."

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Yes there is a lot to look forward to. Your mothers badgering technique is something I as a recovering coda am painfully familiar with employing. Its very sad to see how addiction impacts families, and makes sense of daughters step mum also, I recall you alluding to him smoking a lot of pot. Again I congratulate you for breaking this awful cycle with your daughter while she is young. I wish that had happened with my own mum, lately I've been thinking his different life could have been for her if the hand of ala non had been visible back in the day. This is such a valuable programme isn't it.

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Nice share Ms.M. Your program tools are shining I have found ,just as you have expressed , that people do not change no matter how I change and interact with them

I do believe they are in a" time warp "and are not capable of being in the present and responding They are living off old tapes. . It does not matter to me any longer as now I have a life I enjoy and respect and they are still stuck in the past with all the old anger, resentments and fear.

Keep on Keeping on my Dear

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