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I spoke on the phone to my mother today. She is still away and due to return tomorrow.
She asked what I am planning for daughter's birthday next Sunday. I remind her that I have said several times it would be nice if we could join her at her beach house for the birthday weekend, as daughter loves it there or otherwise I ask if she would like to join me in taking daughter to a particular restaurant she likes where they are having a cooking class and meal night, daughter would love it. "Oh no" she says. "I am going to the beach and my sister is coming so we can celebrate HER birthday. So I don't think you could come, there won't be room". Of course not. Her sister doesn't like me much now that I don't suck up and let her bully me. So this hurts, of course, and I go downstairs and can't help asking my brother (mother's golden boy) "why does our mother hate me?" and he says "I don't know but she always has and it seems to be getting worse. You just have to say &^%$ her and stop trying with her or you'll just keep getting hurt".
I think on this and realise he is very right. For Christmas this year all of my siblings recieved their usual expensive gifts. I got nothing, look I didn't want anything and I don't need a gift but she made a point of telling me that "I was going to give you some money for Christmas but I spent it, sorry" and she also kept discussing her plans for my siblings gifts all the way up until Christmas so this is really deliberate and it has been going on for a very long time. Like when my husband left me with a baby and he took the bed and I was sleeping on the floor and she responded by buying my sister (who was in juvenile detention at the time) a $6,000 bed to come home to. I didn't expect her to buy me a bed but she actually invited me to go shopping and then asked me to help her choose a bed for my sister (who already had a bed). And I went home and slept on the floor which just sucked because I was still nursing my daughter and my back and body were sore already. Well if I start listing these resentments it won't help anyone and I wonder why I feel the need to do it? I think because I want to be heard and for people to say "you are right Mel that is awful and cruel". Sort of how it was in the beginning with ABF, I'm back at the stage of wanting people to validate me and feel bad for me, I need to move forward with this. So I figure I need to go back to the beginning and repeat the whole process and maybe I can eventually get to a place where I can accept and in some way love who she is and not have her impact on my feelings anymore. Because if trying to get love from an A is like trying to get bread from hardware store, trying to get love from my mother is like trying to get orange juice by squeezing a rock really really hard.
So I guess I go back to the beginning because I think I need to do the whole process with this and really detach from her and do it properly, I need to remember how i did this with ABF and which bits worked and which didn't and get with the program in a big way.
I haven't had much of a program for a while now and it shows. So back to basics for me, and I got in the car and went driving around this busy little inner city suburb where I grew up, looking for a nice place to walk my dog. And I ended up in the big bushland area next to the golf course. One thing I LOVE about Melbourne is that even in the city there are big areas of bushland like little oasises (oasies?) where the gum trees are so thick and tall that you can actually forget you are in the city.
So now that I have put down my big bag of rocks I find I quite enjoy walking again. I ended up at the river, where I used to go when I was young, and I thought about how I had tried so many times to use fallen branches, old bits of tin and whatever I could find to make a treehouse down there. I was going t live in it you see. It probably wasn't a very well thought out plan because I was very afraid of the dark and would have run home in terror at the first hoot of an owl but, you know. And then I would go walking there with mother and her dog years later when I was being a single mother and living near mother. And whenever I was there before I would be hurting, so very much, over mothers unkindness, husbands abandonment, other people and their indifference towards me always eating me up inside. And today I was grateful for the stillness inside me, and the joy I felt to feel the warm sun on my skin, the cool breeze, the birds, the occasional smiling jogger stopping to pat my dog, just me, alone and not in pain. I realised that is where I began last time and that is where I need to pick up again, with gratitude and self love. And meetings. I must go to meetings, not talk about it or plan to do it but DO it. So it will be new people. So what. So it will be different people in a couple of weeks when I move. So what.
So today I was grateful for this muddy river, and my equally muddy dog after he ignored my requests and jumped in to chase a duck, lol. And for the fact that no matter what is going on in my world I can stop , be still and enjoy where and when I am. I was never able to do that before. And for the great joy I felt when I decided today to get back to my program and grow some more. Because hat opens up limitless opportunities to me, I feel like I have achieved SO much since I began being able to care for and about myself and trust that I am worthy and will be cared for if I allow it to happen.
Thanks for letting me ramble out my thinking
(((everyone)))
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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)
Thank you Ms. M. for sharing the miracle of you Lovely share I am glad you have decided to continue to take care of yousd you are so worth it . Love the picture and your dogs swim.!!
When my Mom said and did similar type of hurtful things, I was told that clearly a Mom in with a right mind wouldn't say these horrible things and behave like this. I know this, but, of course, it still hurt. In my Mom's passing, I have come to realize more clearly how her mental disturbances and distortions played out and really had nothing to do with me.
My Mom didn't grow up with nurturing parents, was afraid of her manic-depressive Mom who wound up institutionalized with ECT therapy and would occasionally return home after the treatments- my Mom said she was bloody and didn't know why. My mom was frightened as a little girl and chose to hold this experience in front of her as she walked her life journey. My Mom didn't understand many basics of love and family, and her mental illness raged as she collected more and more fears- adding on fear of overcoming her cancer, fear of the worsening of her Parkinson's disease, fear of not being cared for or loved.
This doesn't excuse her when she had bad behavior or was hurtful, but it did bring me closer to Alanon, working the steps and learning how to love and take good care of myself.(still learning) I love that I can chose something better for myself and that I can learn to let go of things that don't serve me well.
I love the muddy river photo- something so calming and wonderful about nature's beauty.
-- Edited by bud on Saturday 17th of January 2015 12:58:48 PM
Thanks Bud I believe you just described my mother too in many ways! And I know we share some silmilarities. My mother told me years ago that I will not receive anything of value in her will although they have significant wealth, because "her husband controls the estate and she has to follow his wishes". That doesn't even make sense, she had her own wealth when she married him and she bought the house!! She also said, one night a couple of years ago when she was sloshed that she wanted me to have some sentimental things- she has paintings that I love, an antique arm- chair I used to love to read in, but that if she "goes" first my stepfather probably wont let me have even those. It's not about the things...I suppose it doesn't even matter...in fact all of these experiences are what have led me to a point in my life where I have tools and resources and wonderful people to connect with to heal myself and my siblings do NOT have that gift as yet and are very consumed and enraged about all kinds of trivial things that are not their business or worth their sanity. Primarily, what their other siblings are doing wrong at any given moment....lol. So I have gained significantly through these "losses".
Another thing that filled me with hope was, when I was discussing this with my brother earlier he said that my grandmother hates my mother and my great grandmother hated my grandmother, the oldest girl is the scapegoat and that is very, very true and he said "so she's just taking it out on you, maybe that's just the way it goes" and I said "not with me, I will never treat my daughter that way" and oh wow, thats it, isn't it? I really never will, I will NOT inherit that from my mother and that worth a lot more than inheriting some paintings. I love that I choose to love and nurture my daughter and not take my anger and hurt out on her. I must wonder if that is why mother spoils daughter so severely in front of me and undermines me, does it bother her that I treat my daughter well? But thats not my business so i best not worry abut that any further.
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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)
To realize and have an idea of what the negative cycles are in our families is truly a great awareness! To break this hate cycle between women in your family is a job that is worth working on, for your daughter and family who will come after. Sometimes and sometimes not but worth giving a thought about is jealousy of "youth". That is one thing that sometime enters in families. But the great thing is that you don't need to figure it out. You just need to break the cycle. And always remember:
"You can pick your friends but you can't pick your relatives" And now we know in our program that we do have choices to be around them or not and to behave like them or not. Your brother has a great piece of advise for you. Take heed.
Great point Melly- my Mom only knew from how mother treated her and could not see beyond that, so my Mom felt that acting the way she did was the normal course of events. My Mom felt that it hurt too much to be kind, loving, generous, and emotionally attached- so, she chose the path she chose thinking it would minimize the hurt for everyone. Distorted thinking for sure. I'm grateful to have more information and the support to make choices that work better for me.
You know it just does not matter why she is so poisonous. In fact even they way she enables her other children is poisonous. they have never grown up and left mommy!
It's good you are a survivor. I know we all would naturally want loving parents. However at some point, one needs to accept they are poisonous to us and others and let go.
I refuse to be around people like that, relatives or not.
Whats more important is you love you. You are full of creativity, motivated, strong, brave and more. I invite you to look at all you have accomplished.
sure you are not perfect who is. You shared the gambling thing, spending too much money, being sucked back in to talk to A. But what is important?? You faced it, shared it and are working on it. the progress you have made is huge.
Now look what miracles will come! A home, warm, smells like good food and soap! Stinky wet, dog, silly cat, lovely almost teenager! lol HOME! HOpefully meetings! yes yes yes! Your dog is beautiful btw.
I know how you feel to a point but it is my daughter who won't even talk to me or my son.We don't even know why. I gave up and let it go. Its VERY hard. But the pain was too much.
Have you ever said to your mom, "the way I feel I am treated by you and dad is that you hate me." What makes you hate me?
She is outright rude to you. Maybe it is becuz you can take care of you, you can take care of daughter, you don't need her, more like you don't allow her to take over your life. I would flat out ask, Hey what made you not get me a Christmas present? What makes it so I am not in the will?
when she asked a question about like daughters b day, I would say I don't know, what do YOU want to do?
You could say I feel a will from a parent would remember all the siblings equally.
I tell ya I would love to be a bug on the wall and look at her...hey how about a live cam in the kitchen???? lol lol
Melly you know you are loved here, and we love you just how you are. We celebrate your successes and kick your rear when you are blowing it. I have said this to so many girls and women, go easy on yourself. YOU are beautiful, a woman, someone to contend with! so glad you are part of our family!
more pics. I would love a ton of them, you can fb me anytime with them Debilyn Mcphate!! do you have fb??
-- Edited by Debilyn on Saturday 17th of January 2015 04:16:50 PM
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"It's not so much being loved for ourselves, but more for being loved in spite of ourselves."
I love u Deb
I actually did try to friend you on fb and you rejected me! Lol I didn't take it to heart, I figured it was a mistake. I'll try again now.
And I love the picture you paint,
"A home, warm, smells like good food and soap! Stinky wet, dog, silly cat, lovely almost teenager! lol HOME! "
That's exactly right. Those are the things I value and what I nurture and they are wonderful and i am excited and happy right now. I want to deal with this mum stuff because I know it will help me grow and move on. But I need to deal wit it within me, not by asking her why anymore. I think she is mean because all I have ever wanted to do is get away from her, its all I strived for as a child (build a treehouse by the river...stay with friends and ask to move in with them, I was desperate to be away from her mean-ness...I moved out when I was 15, overseas for a while, it isn't how it was meant to work I guess, my other siblings stay close and play the game with her and I wont. She did once cry when she was drunk and tell me that I was "always leaving her".
Maybe I had some al-anon in my soul from the get-go, who knows. I know I love her and also that trying to be close to her is destructive and humiliating for me and i have played out that scenario over and over in my relationships.
She will be home tomorrow and i will be in her home with her present for 5 nights before she leaves again, ugh I don't know what to expect and I do not feel comfortable or confident. But I will use this opportunity to grow.
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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)
Hugs to you Melly. I know where you are coming from.
Family stuff is so deep inside of us, i have a sick mother
Too. She does not have my best interest at heart only
To control me. I always say she would absorb me if she could.
You are doing great. The more program you have and stricter
Boundaries you have in place. I know its hard when you are poor she
Keeps dangling her carrots at you and your daughter to reel
You into her games.i hope you land a well paying job that will
Support you and your daughter without needing her money.
Thanks Miranda, that's an interesting thought,
"I always say she would absorb me if she could" I have ever thought of it quite like that but I think that sums it up!
I'm so glad I brought this here, as I said I perhaps learnt some al-anon detaching from my ABF, now I need to go back to the beginning and work through it re my mother. And once again it's so humbling and calming to be heard and understood. I am so looking forward to my space and independence again; I had it once after my husband left and i had my own flat and I was completely self-sufficient, I was so desperate to give it away and invite A into my life and home!
Not this time, this time i will CHERISH it.
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If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see? (Lewis Caroll)
I can very much relate to having a mother with a very cruel side, I survived her as you have with your own. I have learned to detach and not lean on my Mother at all, but I have had to get on the system here in the States to be able to do that on my own to get through college. I love my Mom from a distance and have set so many boundaries that she rarely gets to see us, but I am over the chaos that comes with a close relationship with her. I know this is a hard lessoned learned coming from your own Mother and I am sorry it hurts you. I am sending you much love and support on this journey!
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" Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."
"Serenity is when your body and mind are in the same place."
I can relate to needing to pick up the tools again mel. I really like this post, great awareness and acceptance in there and thats where serenity lives. I felt quite serene readi g this, thank you.x
Deb wrote an awesome post, Melly. That is what home should be. I can honestly say, I don't have a clue of what is up with your Mother. She sounds cruel And crushes you and then she says something nice later to build you back up again-just don't get it. I think when you can move into your NEW home with your daughter and pets, you will be able to find your groove again. I am so hoping that you do the college thing, get a GREAT job and show her that you CAN!!! Probably NOT the Alanon thinking here, but I just hate how she hurts you. Hoping for the best for you and yours!
There is nothing wrong with your viewpoint, material objects are not the end all and be all if this life. My life is about having loving and healthy relationships. I have had to conform a bit, because like you so nicely stated it takes money to live safely in this life. I like the idea of living much greener than I do and am changing slowly towards that. I like your way of thinking and will never see why at times your Mother acts as if she can't stand you. I am so over caring even about what my own Mother thinks about me, because I think very highly of myself and am not here to be anybody's punching back any longer. My life is about me and my children and us being healthy and happy. You have come a very long way and I am happy you are a part of my MIP family! Sending you much love and support always!
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Sending you love and support on your journey always! BreakingFree
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" Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."
"Serenity is when your body and mind are in the same place."
Melly you do need money to survive and provide for you and your daughter.
It Does not sound like your xah gives you anything toward support. Money
is not the end all but it is needed to survive and grow and self support.
Yes some people do believe find someone with money is your answer
And especially if they think you are not capable of caring for yourself.
You need to depend only on yourself and provide your own Answers on
How to go about it in a healthy wholesome manner.
You have it in you Melly don't let your mother in your head. She has a front
Row seat now that your abf is gone. I dont see her letting up any time soon.
She has her own issues that are not about you but she projects them onto
You. My mother is highly dysfunctional so i know from what i speak. My mother has
Always been a a boulder on my back she still is. She is sick and refuses to
See or think differently. Even though most of her children dont have much
To do with her. She can not see her part in the problem. My mother attended
Alanon for twenty years but did not have her ears or mind open to change.
She refuses to go back now because they just dont understand.
She who marries for money ends up paying for it thrice over as the saying goes. I appreciate a value system which doesn't value plastic..actually it was and sometimes still is kinda strange to me how much stuff people have here in this land?!! I do hope you are able to detach from mum..I can't believe she's never been called on her bulls$%& towards you.whatever the reason behind it, its just straight out nasty. Im sure she knows. Thus the hot cold ness. Equally I'm sure it really has nothing to do with you personally. I don't know how you can't confront her though I do see how detachment allows them to look at themselves.
It is wonderful you've broken that very cruel cycle of spirit breaking. That in itself is a very major accomplishment.