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Im following the steps of AlAnon for my own healing with regard to my A husband of 20 years. 10 years ago he quit drinking And hasn't had a drink since. Little did I know that that was only half the battle. I grew to be a sicker co-dependent as the years went on, even though there was no drinking. His personality retained many characteristics of the dry-drunk-egocentric, rigid in thought, irritable, doesn't accept being wrong...through practicing the messages of al anon, I am happy to say that I no longer feel like I'm going crazy, that I've reclaimed the ME that was lost a long time ago, and that I have a general sense of serenity that is steadfast and welcomed, I still wonder about how to interact with him at times.
For example, this past Sat morning he acted in a very selfish way, and became irritable and mad at me for explaining how his behavior hurt my feelings and that I didn't like the way he was treating me. Of course, I didn't expect him to get it, or apologize, which he didn't. I simply worked on a project I had wanted to do and was happy to be doing it. He tried to pull me in by saying "so you are just going to ruin the day by being snippy and mad now." I said that my day was fine and that I was going to work on my project, and reminded him again, that I didn't like how he treated me so I didn't want to spend the day with him. That was 4 days ago and we haven't spoken about anything of any consequence since!! The old me would not have been able to handle this as I would have been pining away with thoughts of how he could be so mean, how he could be ignoring me, how I had to get him to see how rude he was to me, and that it was legitimate that he hurt my feelings. Thank god I don't feel that way any longer, the exhaustion was ridiculous! Over the last four days in addition to my normal routine, I have watched some movies, organized some closets, and generally enjoyed whatever I was doing. We say good morning, briefly discuss any scheduling things for the day, or whether or not I'm planning on making dinner, but beyond that...nothing?! This couldn't be MORE different from our normal banter, discussions about our days, debates about current events, discussions about the kids, AND arguments about him getting something with regard to my feelings, which at least kept us connected in some way. He's asked me once how I'm doing, and I shrugged and said "ehhh". He didn't ask a follow up question so I didn't elaborate. He just went on his way. Did it hurt that he just walked away? Sure, but that is him, not me.
I dont think the silent treatment is good if it's meant as a punishment, but I feel like I just don't have anything to say to someone who can treat me so callously (as he did sat morning) and act confused as to why my feelings are hurt, when the 'why' has been discussed ad nauseam in the past. So, I now know it's true that I carried the emotional water of this relationship, and that since Stepping aside, there is very little relationship actually occurring. I'm sure he's thinking something about all this change but he hasn't come to me to share. He's tried a few times to have 'small talk' which I politely answer, but don't continue in. He's made some gestures, cooking me dinner one night, stopping at grocery store and asked me for a list...but he hasn't brought up the elephant in the room? I feel strongly that if he wants our relationship to improve (as he said he does prior, and agrees that he has some dry drunk characteristics, which was a new thought for him) then he needs to be the one to initiate a conversation about how he is feeling, as well as be curious about how I'm feeling and ask.
Do I just let the silence continue? There is no arguing whatsoever, more like two people just living in the same space. As much as it totally shocks me, because it couldn't be more opposite of how I used to be before al anon, I can't bring myself to bring a serious conversation about what has transpired since sat morning up! Should I explain my stand-off ness, when he tries to initiate a 'small talk' conversation, so that I know he isn't confused about where I stand? In other words...do I have any responsibility to say what I mean, mean what I say, and don't say it mean at this point? Any guidance is welcomed...
I have no guidance to offer, I'm 32 and still a foolish hothead, but LOOK at you grow! Wow. Such honesty and calm and reason. I am very inspired by the grace and strength with which you have embraced making changes for you. Keep on keeping on. Xx
All i can say is you are doing great. My ah has been dry for 30 years and
he acts like that, it kills a relationship.Then they wonder why you wont cuddle
up to them rub their Back and on and on. Your emotional needs are not being
met and you are being dismissed.
Keep taking good care of you! Do your own recovery work, use Good boundaries so he
knows you are serious about good treatment. Do not accept any thing less!
My ah got very abusive toward me and started to treat me very bad. All his inner
Unhappiness/demons were my fault not his. He behaved even worse after attending
AA the Last three years.
My therapist said long term dry drunks are some of the hardest nuts to crack.
Currently we are getting divorced so i guess i am not a good one to answer.
I did everything possible to keep the marriage going but it takes two people
Not one. He emotionally checked out long ago and refused to work on the
Marriage.
The program is about progress and I can only measure that on myself. If I start judging my wife and setting myself up with expectations I'm a goner. I've got experience with that...how I do it and what the consequences are. Dr. Bob's "And I have come to understand that acceptance is the solution to all of my problems"...helps me often ever since I heard it and then read it. Acceptance doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything falls in place and life is coming out my way; No it also means that I have to alter like you have with my own projects/life and stay away from the really possibility of toxic relationship. I know she will be upset also and she has never let me down on that; neither does anyone else and therefore the problem of "human being" is again solved. I have learned with the help of my Higher Power that the opposite of fear is love. One cannot occupy the same place and time as the other. I choose love..."The complete and total acceptance of every other human being for exactly who they are at that moment" and so I will be kind, considerate, empathetic, compassionate, helpful and respectful without being in her space (detached). I have my own projects, life which I am responsible for. Before we married I informed her, "I love you...I like having you in my life...and...I don't need you". I had to learn that I am responsible for my happiness and sadness regardless of who else is within the area.
I also think you are doing well considering that you are the only one with a program of recovery. Keep on keeping on. Keep coming back ((((hugs))))
I think that you are doing well by the sounds of it and if the silence is comfortable for you then why not let it roll on? I know that sometimes I wait for AH to step forward and address the elephant in the room and that makes my 'resting in silence' uncomfortable since I find that what I'm really doing is just waiting and thinking too much about the void between us. When I have something absorbing to get on with it works much better and my mind stays calm.
I know that I get a bit frustrated after waiting around. From time to time I'll try to make a connection but to be honest that usually ends up in an argument or my feeling rejected (expectations??!!!!) so in general I try to give myself taking a holiday from those conversations. Some people have a dismissive attitude towards relationships and feel uncomfortable with close emotional connection. I'm still trying to figure out why I chose to marry someone like that.
I worry that I am cutting loving connection out of my life by staying with someone who finds it difficult to be close to another human being and by my accepting a quiet life for myself rather than finding the courage to step out into the world and explore more. I'm still trying to figure out the right balance for me and it is easier for me to do that when things are calm.
With me I say, "If someone cannot treat me with respect I will not engage with them." Then it is not a game or punishment We do not have to accept the abuse they invite us into.
He is a raging, white kunckled dry drunk, taking his pain out on others. Are you going to allow this? Live with this?
What is it about you that you put up with this treatment?
These are just questions, not judgements.
We teach others how to treat us. I know this is true. I set my boundaries and stick to them. I refuse to live with or be friends with, or involve myself with anyone who abuses me. It is my job to take care of me!
I believe you are on the right track. But it may help to think about things and boundaries you choose to set. ex: He has treated you hurtfully.
then asks if you want to go to the store with him. I would be telling him, again I have been treated disrespectfully by you, NO thank you.
hugs
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