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I have been a long time lurker and finally decided to make an account. The things that have been shared on this forum have been very helpful to me and I suppose it's time I outed myself to possibly have a little more specific advice to my situation because it is somewhat complicated. (I apologize in advance for this being so long.)
To give a brief background, I am married to a man that I also work with. We both had similar situations with our previous spouses where they had affairs and took off, and because we have worked together so long we were friends who helped each other through the heartbreak of our divorces. We are both executives overseeing different departments and we (thankfully) work in two different areas of the complex so we don't have to work too closely, for the most part. At work/sober, AH is excellent - very smart, funny, handsome, etc. Great guy all around and would do anything for anyone (and does). At home, the story is completely different - he bolts home as soon as he can from work and starts drinking as soon as he gets there. In our years together, I have not known him to go one night without some type of alcohol. The only time he doesn't drink is when he is sick, and even then he chugs Nyquil (even if what is ailing him isn't a cold.) After the first drop of alcohol, his personality starts to change and he progressively becomes angrier and meaner - and it's usually directed at me. (We don't have any kids, which is a very good thing.) He's really a Jekyll and Hyde. He doesn't get physical, it's mostly verbal. I actually wish it was physical so I could show him what he has done. He's slick though, and he knows how to get his digs in. Most of the time, he sits in his "man cave" and drinks as much as he can as often as he can and smokes and watches TV. In the meantime, I clean the house, pay the bills, take care of just about anything that comes up. He sometimes will cook but other than that he doesn't do much of anything. He is only interested in his own needs and wants and doesn't seem to care much about me. His family is/was very dysfunctional and his family (all boys) are all tough guys who don't communicate at all, show no affection, and are too busy being manly men to demonstrate any compassion. I know AH has it in him, because I have seen it during moments of his sobriety, but it is fleeting and very rare when it happens. Unfortunately, his mother is deceased so the one hope I would have had is not there. (And from my understanding, she drank a lot too.)
If he says he wants something, I do whatever I can to make that happen. I have gone to no end to try and make him happy in the hopes that he will become more enthralled in what he wants that he won't drink so much, but that plan has not worked as I thought. The last thing he wanted was an antique vehicle of a certain type because he wanted a "hobby". I found exactly what he wanted, got it financed, transported, etc. and he still continues to sit on his rear and smoke and drink.
I have tried everything to explain to him how his drinking has an effect on our relationship. Nothing works. After finding this forum and reading other stories, and seeing a therapist every week, I understand that I cannot change his behavior and I can only control mine. (I'm learning!) He has a beer fridge in his man cave and I have a wine chiller in the kitchen, so while he was gone for a few days I dumped out everything in the wine chiller and replaced it with non-alcoholic beverages. I didn't touch his stuff at all, but I thought I noticed that he would drink more if I was drinking and maybe by me not drinking as well, it might help him cut down. I think that that he drinks more now to spite me, but either way it was a good call on my part. He has not once mentioned that I replaced all the booze in the chiller with soda and energy drinks but that's no surprise. He is so self-absorbed that I'm surprised he even notices that I live at the house too.
Here is where I am stuck.
- I can't go to Al-Anon or AA because the owners of the company I work for and their children are very active in the local groups. While this would normally be a good thing, these folks don't respect that "anon" part and they also can overstep boundaries, with the best of intentions. I can't jeopardize our jobs and/or make the stress of our jobs higher because of this - we had another employee here try to participate in the program and because of this, they made it worse. I'm not going there and he sure as hell won't.
- I can't get his family to help with an intervention because they are also alcoholics/have issues with substance abuse.
- His friends are totally supportive of him drinking and want him to continue drinking with them. They don't see his drinking as a problem because he saves the uglies for when it is just he and I (for the most part, sometimes he slips and lays into me when a select few are around but normally they think he has it under control.)
- I am currently seeing a therapist and plan on continuing with her, as this has been very helpful to me. Between her and my few friends that listen to me and have similar situations at home, that is where I get the majority of my support.
- Once he did admit that he has an addictive personality, but he refuses to go with me to counseling and denies he has problems. The next day after he is a complete jerk, he either defends his actions or denies, or excuses it, or something. It's always my fault, but I don't understand how that can be.
What I am wondering is whether other people are in situations where they work with their A spouse in a family business? I love him very much (as you can see by what I put up with), but I hate his illness. At this point, the only thing I have left is to just up and leave him, but once I pull that trigger then everyone at work will be in our business. The other option is to stay the course and remain sober and hope that he will at some point realize what is going on, but I just don't see that happening. He has too much control to keep it from being a problem at work and there are too many people supporting his habits that I am the "bad guy" for trying to get him to quit. And I hate giving ultimatums, because I know the hard truth is that he would choose his addictions over me. Historically, the men I have been with have always had a mistress of some kind. Clearly I choose men who put me third or fourth down the list and I have brought this on myself.
Ugh - what a mess I have put myself in. Thanks for listening.
Love your avatar,your courage and honesty . If you are unable to attend alanon face to face meetings, we do have on line meetings here 2xs a day and that could be very helpful. Here is the link to the information. I urge you to attend.
Morning Meetings
Mon. - Fri. at 9am EST
Sat. - Sun at 10am EST
Each Sunday morning at 10 am EST, we will be having a Spiritual meeting with a topic relating to the Spiritual part of our program.
Night Meetings
Mon-Saturday 9PM eastern time
Sunday 7PM eastern time
Each Thursday night at 9PM EST, we will be having a Step/Tradition Meeting to help new people get to know and understand how to work the 12 steps.
After going through one Step per week, and getting through the 12 of them, we then start a Tradition a week on this same night.
As you no doubt know alcoholism is a progressive, chronic incurable disease that can be arrested and never cured. AA is a recovery program for the person that drinks and because those who live with the disease also become affected, Al-Anon has been established to help family members.
Living with the disease of alcoholism we lose the focus on ourselves, pace all our attention and energy on others and become confused in the process. Al-Anon meetings help us to regain the focus and to place that attention where we can be most effective. Since we are powerless over the disease of alcoholism we must learn to take care of ourselves in a healthy fashion.
There is hope so please keep coming back and I'm glad that you had the courage to share
Welcome to MIP - I am so sorry that alcohol has affected your life in this way and I can relate to quite a lot of what you have written here as well. Are you aware that there are on-line meetings twice a day here? 9am and 9pm EST - you can see the information button on the top left of your page.
I have found that Alanon has helped me to learn to look after myself in positive ways and to keep my focus on myself whilst letting my husband choose his own path. For many years I protected him from the consequences of his actions. We were both self employed but our client list overlapped and I hang my head as I think about how I covered for AH and defended him when our mutual clients mentioned some strange behaviour.
I know that treadmill of trying to make everything perfect and trying to deliver 'all he needs to be happy'. Two things happened to me on that journey. 1) I wore myself out 2) I started to ask myself 'who is going to look after me?' and that was a short hop to my starting to feel resentful - not a good place to be and best avoided! I thought that I was strong and flexible but actually I have learnt that it is ok to recognise how much abusive behaviour hurts and to protect oneself from it. It takes a long time to get over it if you let it continue too long. Without understanding it I was also disabling AH, stopping him from achieving those good feelings of accomplishment (yes, I know he was doing the asking and I know that I felt good about all that I achieved on his behalf - but not so clever of me in reality
Eventually I stepped back (I had to!) and let AH cope with his own life while I tried to get on with mine. I did not like feeling as if I was the wicked witch of the north because that was the role that I thought that he saw me in, but I carried on anyway. What helped me to do this was that I took the alcohol out of the equation. AH was treating me badly. He was feeling shame. He drowned the shame by drinking more more. There is a wonderful leaflet called The Merry go round of Denial that I recommend reading. Anyway, I asked myself 'would I put up with that from anyone else?' My answer was NOooooo - so I stopped putting up with it and started to keep my focus very much on my own recovery.
I'm sorry that you don't feel that you can go to your local alanon meetings - it helped me a lot to take that step through the doors and to meet other people in similar situations to my own. But we are meeting here!! So once again, welcome - you will be getting lots of good advice from some very good people.
hello and welcome. this forum has helped me a lot. I am separated from my AH, who used to be my coworker. He got fired last March. All I can say is I learned to give up control of his drinking when I started going to Al Anon about 2 years ago. If you cant go to meetings at this time, the books are helpful. My biggest fear was us divorcing, because we are coworkers. I work in the medical field and I work with a lot of nosey women. I have learned who I feel comfortable with and who I dont. My personal life is really nobody's business. I have learned to not care what other people think...I had to get out of a bad situation for me and my kids. Remember, your coworkers only see him at work, they dont live with him. They dont know what you see at home.
keep coming back!
Thank you so much for the warm welcome and information. I feel better knowing that I am not alone. I had not known much about the online meetings before but I will give them a try. Thanks again!
if all that is keeping you from leaving and developing a healthy life is your co workers, I would ask myself what does it really matter?People are going to talk no matter what. Myself I would ignore it. That is their problem not mine.A's get worse as the disease destroys every part of them.By enabling him, this behavior is making him sicker. Sounds like it is not enjoyable for you either.You deserve to have a serene life, happy home, do things for you. What is it about you that you feel you deserve to be treated like this?glad you are here! welcome, debilyn
I would read this post over and over and also read Betty's post about the meets...
really who CARES what others think???? if you do a good job, show up, do a good days work, efficient, reliable, i doubt, seriously that boss's will care about your personal life....boss's like good , reliable employees.....end of case...co-workers , it is none of their business and to live like your post suggests sounds like a torture chamber.....i did it and i got out of it......what you do is up to you, but i would hang out here, go to the online meets, they are great...get into the 12 steps and , yea, find out what is within you that you gravitate towards bad men or sick men....I know it helped me (alanon) find out why I always wanted the fixer uppers...the needy ones...the emotionally unavailables , and the abusers......now i avoid them......and its true, enabling him, helping him, covering for him, coddling him is only making things worse re: his disease.....i would let him fall on his ass over and over till he gets sick of it and MAYBE gets help.....and i agree with Deb, you deserve to have a serene , peaceful life...happy home and be able to "do you" w/out this around your neck...the steps and the meets will help you find out what it is about you that you feel you deserve this horrible treatment.....
I am glad you reached out.....you are not alone......we are here ok??????
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Al-anon save my sanity and helped me to shake off the sadness and misery. I found my beloved old sponsor there and she helped me work through the steps and become the me I always wanted to be. The book "Getting Them Sober" by Toby Rice Drews was also very helpful. I am glad you came here to MIP and keep coming back. Sending you love and support on your journey!
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