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Garden Variety Venting


Well I  haven't secured a home. not even the tiny cheap place. At first the agent told me it was 'more or less a done deal, just have to complete some formalities" and I was excited but I haven't heard from him again, I have called and he wont return my calls and the secretary just says the landlord "isn't sure". It's high summer, I bet he has an offer to rent it out as a holiday rental for lots of money or something. It happens a lot around here, you waste money and time going to look at advertised rentals and apply for them only to be told the landlord "isn't sure" and a week later the place is full of vacationers. They list them in multiple places, holiday rentals where they can charge $thousands per week over summer and then as long term rentals "in case". So this is a very big deal because I have to be out of the place  was in in the next 2 days and I have nowhere to go to. I'm right back to where I started except more tired, fed up and angry. And determined to grow from it; what's the use of hard times if you don't at least grow and learn from them?

So I contacted my mother (remember, she has been saying for months I will have to go and live with her, I  have no choice, blah blah) and told her 'll be driving there (last) night and she was uber nasty telling me what a huge pain in her butt it is for me to go there and a million reasons why I shouldn't and can't, there won't be anyone home to let me in, "your brothers cant be expected to stay home just to let you in the house, they have lives you know", don't you dare bring that cat anywhere near this house, A isn't allowed anywhere near the house, your dog cannot be inside, obvious stuff that she didn't need to say. Anyway she made it abundantly clear that she didn't want me to go there and 2 seconds later I got a text from my grandmother that said "don't even THINK about driving to your mothers its too hot your car wont make it you'll break down on the freeway and be killed". No I'm not kidding that's actually what she said so obviously mother called her straight away to complain that I am ruining her holiday by saying I am going to her house. Yikes, Melissa is going to do something we didn't tell her to do today, better threaten her with death, that usually does the trick.... Later I got another text from dear old granny saying "I'm glad you made the right decision not to go to your mothers (she's been virtually ORDERING me to go and stay at my mothers for months and telling me i need to just "give up and accept  have to go to my mothers and stop being stubborn" so this is absurd). Why don't you go and sit on the beach, that'll be nice' she says. I haven't replied to either of them, they can go and be mental together, I have no time for even trying to understand. Go and sit on the beach? Huh? I've  been detached, positive etc with them and made every conceivable effort not to engage in drama or give them reasons to drag me into theirs for a long time now but it makes no difference to them and I suppose it isn't meant to, other than for me. I don't feel any need to reply, or angrily try to explain how contrary and ridiculous their comments, behaviour and repeated "offer to help and then retract the offer when I accept" nonsense is. Whatever. Go try it with someone else. I made a mistake deciding to accept help and ask to go to my mums. You would think I would learn really.

So I went and stayed with A for New Years and the following few days. Daughter is at her dads. A's brother and his partner wanted to do something with us together for new years, probably hoping we will get back together and I will get him out of their house but anyway that part of things was nice, A was drunk but the rest of us weren't drinking and he behaves nicely in front of his brother even when he is drunk out of his mind (interesting that he can do that), we all went and sat on the beach and watched the fireworks all the way across the city, it was quite a sight to behold. I'm not going to apologise for going there, I am not wanted in the house  have been staying and I am very, very tired of sitting in my room alone trying to be quiet, I spent Christmas like that, I wasn't going to do new years as well. I actually asked mother if I could visit her beach house as they have a big new years party every year and she said no, hows that for nice. Well she gave her new standard speech about how it isn't safe for me to drive all that way, the car won't make it blah blah and anyway they have guests and no room for me. Okie dokie. Later when it was too late she sent me a message saying 'sorry what a shame you couldn't come, everyone is here, lets plan it better next year". I thought a 4 letter word in her direction and what i actually replied with was Happy New Year.

So staying with A was all the fun of the fair as you can imagine. He follows me around cleaning up after me and hissing things at me, asks ridiculous questions like 'did you wash your hands after you patted the dog, did you wipe your feet" its constant and he actually asks me to re-use his dirty plates after he has used them because 'he doesnt want to upset his brother by using too many dishes". But when I have stayed there I wash all the freaking dishes, for everyone and go out of my way to be neat and helpful. Its really nutty and I'm sure you can imagine after the way he treated my home when he stayed with me years ago it was absolutely disgusting) and the way he treated our homes together, piling empty cans and rotting food 3 feet high around his bed, smoking in every room of the house and dropping his butts on the floor, vomiting on the couch and the floor and leaving it there, peeing on anything and everything when he was drunk, behaving, basically, like an animal, to now have him follow me around his brother's house LITERALLY watching me like a hawk and waiting to pounce in case I drop a crumb...well, it does my head in. I had a shower and he came in to the bathroom with a pair of his old holey socks and handed them to me, I said "it's a bit hot for socks' and he said "you have to wear them, you might make footprints on the floor".  Yet A isn't clean himself in their house, he smokes inside when he drinks which is forbidden, and leaves filth everywhere, but as soon as I visit he fusses and hisses and also gives me looks and waves at me desperately and shushes me if I speak near his brother, he's scared I will say something embarrassing or something? I am really hyper sensitive to the way he silences me whenever I speak now, it makes my blood boil. I can't be around him, I just don't have the ability to take that kind of crap anymore. I'm not angry with him, he is who he is and I chose to go there, it's just not healthy for me, obviously. As a side point his brother and his partner have stayed with us, they are easy-going and welcoming to me. And my dog, who is good friends with their dog, whom they have brought to stay at our house many times. It isn't an issue for me to be there for a few days for anyone except for A. But he made me feel like I was some kind of lumbering giant ogre wrecking the place and covering it in filth. It's weird. And irritating. And not worth trying to work out.

Well, trying to understand A and his behaviour is on my list of things that I'm not going to waste my time with but I had to get this out, asking me to re-use his dirty DISHES??? WHAT?????????

And of course knowing that I don't know where I am going to live he has been making it all about him, all he wants to do is 'help" me by renting a place with me again but I won't accept his help so I am bringing it all on myself blah blah blahdy blah blah. Anyway I didn't intend staying there for 3 nights, I was only going to go for new years but I was tired and the thought of coming back to this place wasn't very enticing either and I was waiting and hoping for a phone call from the agent. Finally last night I accepted it isn't going to happen. I decided to drive home and wanted to wait for the traffic to die down plus there was a hell of a thunderstorm going on so I waited and fell asleep and when I woke it was 2am. I said 'I better go or the morning traffic will start up" and A said 'I don't want you to go" and when I asked why he said "You might wake my brother up when you walk past his bedroom door so you should wait until he gets up for work". This from the guy who kept me awake pretty much every night of our entire 9 year relationship. Doesn't want to risk me waking his brother with my quiet careful footsteps. I see. Ok.

Well I got out of there lol, what a drive, here's one for the gratitude list, 1.5 hours of highway, I saw 3 cars the entire time, radio cranked, the storm had passed but there was light rain and I let it come in the window and cool my face, so nice after the stinking hot days we have had, dog with his head out the window drinking the air and wagging his tail so much I couldn't see in the mirror, lol! I enjoyed it very much. This is my big reward for not driving until the age of 38, I now get to enjoy it SO much, it's all new and fun and exciting and when I complete a long or difficult drive I feel all happy and pleased with myself. How many people get to enjoy that at my ripe old age lol!!!! When i get out on the highway and crank the radio it's FANTASTIC. I don't regret a moment of not learning to drive until now, I get to feel like a teenager every time, it's pretty cool

And here I am, back at the house I must be out of in 2 days. The cockatoos are screeching and stripping bark from the ghost gum outside my window, you can't imagine what that sounds like until you hear it, its freaking AWFUL lol they are SO loud. My American friend sent me a video of coyotees (spelling?) howling on her property and I think that sounds much nicer and more tuneful than screeching cockatoos vandalising trees to put it in perspective, lol but as awful as it is, that sound IS summer mornings in rural Australia and it makes me fee kinda happy, kinda at home. I lived for summer when I was a kid and that sound reminds me of camping at the beach with my parents, happy memories.

So I arrived home to find the internet password has been changed here, although I pay a high price for a room with bills included there has been a lot of stuff like people opening my door to turn off my light if I go to the bathroom or to make food (who does that?), and the hot water gets switched off as soon as daughter or I start the shower, it's so uncomfortable and I wont even go into everyone here eating my food without asking, I got tired of it and for example actually went and bought 18 eggs for the other members of the house (free range but from the supermarket) and I bought 30 eggs from a local farm for myself, I told them clearly that the supermarket eggs were there if they really needed them but please dont eat my farm eggs but of course they ate all the farm ones first and then the others and then complained there were no eggs, its like this with all of my food and washing detergent too and I just arrived home to find once again they have been in my room and stuff has been moved around, everything has changed so much and honestly it's like living with A again except there are 3 of them. For the first month or so that I lived here I cooked dinner every night for my housemate lady person and she raved about how nice it was and how much she appreciated it but after a while I felt it was unfair that she never contributed any food, helped herself to everything I had without asking and ate all of the leftovers even if I hadnt had any yet...of the food I paid for and cooked. Why am  complaining about this? It's just a slap in the face that now i cant use the internet either when I pay a lot for a room and the internet was agreed to be included, theres a whole stupid backstory to this, my housemate landlady person doesn't want her son to know I pay rent here, so he thinks I am a freeloader, ergo he doesn't want me using the internet he pays half of and it's been a big issue the entire time. It's also probably why he uses my stuff and takes my food because she doesn't want him to know I have been  paying to be here, she wants him to think she is penniless so he will repay her money he owes her. Basically I have let myself be a pawn in some lame passive aggressive game. Silly me. Anyway the point is I can get on to MIP with my phone but I can't listen to music and that's really bugging me right now, I'd so love to listen to something good but have no music other than what I can access on the internet. So it's screaming cockatoos or nothing.

WELL that was a lot of whinging about everyone else wasn't it, and I know I am just venting about this to avoid dealing with the real issue which is WHERE THE HELL AM I GOING TO GO?? Daughter is away until January 14th and after that she can go to my mothers until school starts in february although she will be upset and she called me today wanting to come home, how do i explain to my child we don't have a home right now? So I have about 4 weeks of being child-free and obviously I have to start applying for more inland places to avoid the beach-house conundrum. And I'll secure something eventually and it will be OK but in the meantime I actually will not have a place to stay and at this point unless there is a miracle I am going to be living in my car, with a dog and a cat. Yes, it's really happening and I am thankful daughter isn't here because that would be much worse. Over the next 2 days I will get out and search for a place where I can park and live. It needs to be near water, I need to be clean, it is bad enough going to house-inspections with my jeans ripped to pieces, I don't want to stink and look like a hobo as well. Am I complaining and saying poor me a lot? YES I BLOODY AM!!!!! This FREAKING SUCKS!!!!! But it's also a once in a lifetime really. The ultimate letting go, maybe I need that.  I can turn this into a positive, put that on my asset list, I can turn virtually anything into a positive and I'm grateful that I can do that. I am very blessed in fact, to be able to find the good in really crappy situations. It means I get to enjoy life where many other people would be wailing and wringing their hands. I'm pretty free right now. I can pack my car and go wherever I want and i don't even have to be a proper mum for weeks. 

I'm not going to let it get to me, I'm really not. I'm not sad, I don't wish it were different even. I'm glad no-one in my family will help me because I CAN do this alone and I will feel FANTASTIC when I survive this next trial and eventually move in to a place again. I have enough money to survive it by the way, not a lot but maybe enough to buy a small cheapo tent and I know of a free camp site in the Otway Ranges near here (google it, it's beautiful). So maybe I get 2 weeks in the wilderness, I have a camp stove, I can buy what I need to get through, I have a solar charger and a phone and an e-reader loaded with about 500 books. Good books.  I'll have dog and cat for company. I know cats aren't traditionally good campers but I suspect MD will enjoy it, he likes being in the car and likes staying close to me. And seriously, google the otways. Waterfalls and beaches and big forrests. It's pretty magical. Maybe an hours drive to town whenever there is a house to inspect and apply for. I'll be away from all of these people that I keep entangling myself with and being angry with. Maybe it's just exactly what I need.

Maybe a few weeks camping in a national park all by myself is not a punishment but a big fat opportunity to heal and make peace with myself. There's no reason that I won't be able to rent a place and realistically I have just been setting my sights too high (aside from that little place), i want to have a normal big home with a big yard, so all of the other places I have applied for have been too expensive for me alone and that's just how it is. Things have changed since I rented alone when my daughter was a baby, rents are way higher, government support has been cut back a lot, it's a different world for a single mum now. I can complain and be mad all I want but this is how it is.  I will apply in cheaper, uglier areas for small 1 bedroom places and I will secure one, rebuild my financial reputation, get work, finish my course, get daughter through high school, write some books, sell some soap and live and be happy. I'm not letting this crisis turn me into a gibbering mess. I control how I react and respond and I am choosing to enjoy a couple of weeks of camping and being away from the crazy nonsense I keep getting drawn back into. 

Sigh on Monday I am meant to have an appointment at my uni to enrol in new on-campus classes for my bachelor of naturopathy, and on Tuesday I had booked a $5 massage at my uni, ohhhh I was looking forward to it. I made the appointments about a month ago thinking i would be 'sorted out" by now. Part of me wants to scream, why, why can't ANYTHING GO RIGHT but it's not going to until I let go of something, that's clear. I have to cancel those appointments and once again just waste my time on survival. Getting mad isn't going to help. 

I you-tubed one song, that's gonna cost me a lot on my phone bill but I wanted to hear something. Geeze I wish my ipod wasn't packed with all of my stuff at my mothers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_5q0n2mDR8

Isn't that what we do here? Be ok with "I don't know"?

So something might change and I might get a call on monday to say i have a place but it isn't looking good and all I can do is make the best plan I can, and right now I think that's just going camping. I could drive hours to my mums and wait on the doorstep, and I am sure I wouldn't be turned away. I would just have to engage with the same garbage and belittling that I am so familiar with. So I'm not trying to cry poor and helpless...I'm not out in the snow dying from cold... If I insert myself somewhere...at A's house, at my mothers, even the place i have been staying, no-one will throw me into the street. But I am not wanted or welcome and I am so deeply sick of always feeling as if I have to apologise for existing and I'm sick of the way people drag me into drama and scapegoat me and more than anything I am sick of the way I let it happen and engage with it and probably invite it. I play a big role in this and some solitude might just help me figure out how and break out of it.  I think a couple of weeks in the otways ranges (did I mention you should google it because it's pretty) will be good. Right for me. And I'm gonna do it and be happy about it.

 

So that's me. My world has crumbled and I'm going camping. I think it's a win

 

 

 



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Melly, I am without many words here, I will hold you in my prayers and heart.



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So much keeps running through my head, My HP is a jerk, there is no HP, there is a HP but I am getting it all wrong and I need to learn, there has to be a reason, why is this happening to me, why, why, why, I made the hard decisions, did the right things, is this a learning opportunity, I must be getting it wrong, maybe if I learn to let everyone and everything go, blah blah blah.

I have to admit I don't believe in anything right now aside from myself. Maybe the fellowship. That's going to have to do for a HP right now.
Someone wrote here recently that they think if there is a god, then he is a Trickster. I feel that way, I am not chasing one more carrot that guy dangles over my head, if he even exists.. There is no-one and nothing out there looking after me aside from myself and the power of having a fellowship of people who can help me keep my thinking clear and positive. And if there was a real HP and he or she revealed themselves to me right now, I don't think I would even want to hear what they have to say. I think I'd just want to tell them to get %$^%
Sorry but that's where I have arrived. There is no higher power as far as i can tell. There is learning to believe in yourself though and that's extremely valuable.

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Sounds to me as if the message is: Not this way when it comes to your Mom, your grandmother, the man who abused you for 9 years, the short term live in arrangement with this Mom and her sons. When I think about the real estate agent and the fact we've just enjoyed a week of holidays, it comes to me that perhaps this agent is on vacation or on holiday and might be limiting their time with clients to be with family?

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Yes, im with paula, im saying prayers. Your attitude is brilliant, what a gift and it will work out just in the nick of time. Go enjoy a couple of weeks camping, i did google it, i would join you in a minute if i could.x

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Dear Ms M Such a well written vent!!!! I am so sorry that this is all unfolding as it is. I do hope you keep the appt with the "uNI.

Prayers an many positive thougths on the way.

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But it does all seem like a trick. Like I keep complaining that my jeans are torn to shreds and my backside hangs out. So there is a jeans-shop here doing a sale for $20 jeans, wow that's cheap and the sale ends the day before I get paid again. So I cant have them. I went to the store and they wont hold them until the next morning. It has been happening over and over and over and over, the same scenario, i always just missed out by moments, I am always a day late and a buck short. It's not funny anymore I have had it and i don't think it's going to end any time soon, it's like if there is a HP he's just dancing in front of me taunting me...wouldn't you like this Mel?? well guess what you can't have it, hahahahaha!!!!! it has been going on over and over and over. I'd have to be a very foolish person to keep having faith. I shouldn't be saying this here I guess, I'm sorry I just can't get a break and I'm so angry and frustrated, I was doing OK before, i have always done OK. I made a good strong decision to leave A and now I am at the point of being homeless with no end in sight. Like remember when i handed out resumes to every town around and i was offered a job, but i didnt have a place to live and eventually I had to say no and the next day i got this place to live and the job was already gone, its the same thing over and over. What's the bloody point? My daughter called me today from her dads and she asked me, where are we going to be living mum, when can I come home. There is no home. There is nothing. I am a homeless person. I need to let that sink in.

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Listening.



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MsM I have experienced the same type of disappointment and heart wrenching pain when I began this difficult journey with HP.

I have spoken the same word and felt abandoned and lost HP was always there I just needed to learn patience and trust
In my prayer my friend

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Aplogies I love this song. www.youtube.com/watch

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Interesting lyrics.  I have to admit though, I'm not gettin' 'em. Must be over my head?biggrin  But, you hear something in it that is meaningful for you right now. 



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Melly:

I don't know if you read my posts or not, but I did one not too long ago about being a "closet agnostic"

SURE!!! i ???  HP all the time, why no intervention when heinous acts are done against children, animals, elderly, disabled and other innocent, vulnerable creatures and I will never get that answer, so i just figure it is on a  spiritual "need to know" basis.....

That said, now that I have been in recovery long enough,  now that i am mentally and emotionally able to be responsible for me, when Unwanted karma keeps coming at me, I must do an honest, full, thorough step 4 and figure out WHAT was MY part in this ongoing unwanted karma....what am i doing to attract negative?? what am I not doing???? 

We didn't pick our parents/grandparents, etc., but most folks in our life IS our choice....and putting ourselves in their "gun sights"  after we know they are toxic, abusive, and we had to literally run with the clothes on our backs to get away from is a choice...A Choice that is not conducive to self recovery/discovery and self love....

I am not criticizing you...Hell..I did this too...I kept going back to the same bad choices re: toxic/bad people  but working recovery helped me inch by inch get out of that pattern of behaviour....

If it was miserable the first time, what do we think is gonna happen the 2nd time???? All I am saying is that HP will give us the guidance, wisdom that we need to RUN OUR LIVES the BEST way we CAN but basically it is OUR job to make healthy choices and working the meetings, steps, etc., is the best way to do that.....

HP is not gonna "shove" us to do what is right for us...We have a part of creator inside of us that, if we listen, will guide us on what to do to make things better....

I know...things are tough...Life can really suck, but we CAN make things better for ourselves , even if it only means letting go and hunkering down with meets, online if not facetoface and steps work......Also there are things to be grateful for....I watched a docu about families w/ little teeny kids, homeless, living in tents, starving b/c they had NO place to go...Not even a harsh, toxic mother to turn to till they got on their feet....that docu made me cry.......I have it tough...its hard...especially when you get older,  but b/c i worked my program hard and faced me in a brutally honest way, I figured out a LOT of this "post getting into alanon" unwanted karma , I did have a part in it.....And after watching that documentary, I got out my "thank you creator" list and I did a looong grateful list.....

HP is not gonna baby sit me, that i know....I have "missed out" on many many opportunities b/c of mental/emotional illness and I won't get those opportunities back, so now i am doing what i can to create NEW opportunities....even if it is something little...reaching out...I don't know you but I am willing to bet with your resourcefulness you can come up with a way to take better care of you......I do know that HP will guide, give us peace to accept what we CANT change...courage to change what we CAN change and wisdom to know the difference..........note the verbs  "accept....change"   is on OUR doorstep....its up to US to either accept and do something else or just leave it for now   AND  its up to US to change what we can.....Going back to the A to be insulted, controlled, treated like S*** was something you had control over.....All i am saying is most of the time, now that we are "big folks"  we DO/DID have a part in the unwanted karma we are experiencing right now........Just saying......

Please use what you can on this and dump the rest.......



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I have found myself alone at various times in my life - nothing seemed to be working out the way I planned - and those were good times. I was forced to listen deeply within to the voice of health and do what I needed to do for me and I hadn't been doing it. I had been delaying it - either through not enough energy being put into something of value or by choosing less than my HP wanted for me. I had to give up old stuff, old attitudes, old relationships, old bad habits. I couldn't hang onto those and move forward, too. It was scary and then it was exhilarating. Nobody could help me know the next right step to take. In fact, most folks seemed to fall away until the only place I could turn was inward and simply listen until I heard what I needed to hear. My HP never responds when I demand it. I'm simply not in control of that. But my HP does respond when I truly am listening and willing to act on what I hear. My troubles were mainly due to me and the choices I made. I dug myself a nice big hole and I could lie down in it and die or I could set my goal on crawling out of the hole one dirty, muddy, hard step at a time. My HP didn't act just because I wanted it to happen. I had to show my HP I meant what I said and keep on doing the next right thing no matter how hard I had to work or how tired I was or how scared I got. When I had exhausted all my resources in doing the next right thing, my HP stepped in. I know now that my HP believed in me enough to let me struggle, fall down, get back up, screw up some more and not give up on my goals. I couldn't get stronger or healthier any other way. There were no shortcuts and if I kept banging my head on a wall or a door - and I did - plenty, after enough banging, I figured maybe I should stop and assess what I was doing and if there might be a different way.

I had a counselor who got so frustrated with me that she actually pulled on both sides of her hair one day when I came into her office with yet another tale of woe.  This is what she said to me:  "Some day, you are going to have to take responsibility for yourself..."  I was shocked but I also knew deep in my heart that she cared about me.  She cared enough to take off her professional hat and say to me what nobody else would say.  Of course, I argued with it all and was busy thinking about how she'd done me wrong, too, and how I'd never go back to her ever, ever again.  And then I knew that what she said was true.  In the month between our next visit, I made multiple changes - little ones, but changes all the same.  She was astounded.  Then, she told me that she had been considering leaving counseling because most people just didn't make changes and she thought she was totally ineffective.  But I had made changes and big ones for me back then.  She told me I gave her enough hope to keep on doing what she'd been doing.  I loved her because she told me the truth.  She loved me because she understood how hard it was for me to agree that I wasn't really taking responsibility for myself - not until somebody cared enough to pull  their hair in frustration and say what was risky and yet loving.  She chose me over protecting herself in this case and her choice made a huge difference for me.  She wasn't judging me but she gave me the piece I didn't have by saying what she knew to be true based on what I said.  I was 30 at the time, newly divorced, living on less than a shoestring, being threatened by the x, severely depressed and maybe suffering from PTSD (they didn't diagnose that in those days) and still needed that bit of information that I didn't like hearing but needed to know.  Things were awful and they would get worse if I didn't make the changes I could make and finding my part in every relationship or problem I had (which was the rest of what she said) for me was the first change that brought about many after that. 

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Theres a girl vomiting outside my window. Oldest son's girlfriend. She's always sweet and nice to me. About 20 years old, I swear she reminds me of me. It has ocurred to me that this is my fault, I need to grow up, I am causing it, I am not understanding something. I'm trying so freaking hard and i just can't see it. I wish I could see it but I cant. I'm so angry, so tired, so frustrated. If you think I am full of self pity, not trying, complaining...whatever.


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The last time i tried to go to a meeting was on Christmas Eve. I went to the church, there was no-one there. I played the pokies in the social club, alone, I should not have done that. I wasted about $60 and went home feeling sick. There have been no meetings since.

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Miss m.....halt. your mubs

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Grr damn phones. Your mind and not your mubs is racing. Halt. Self care, sleep, eat, breathe, affirm. Pick a nice outfit, launder it, have it ready. You've raised your girl. You love her she loves you. There are always options. And last minute rescues you have evidence of that. Affirm. You are bright, beautiful, intelligent, likeable, equal in divinity, worthy. Your desires don't require you to humble yourself to jerks in order to be fulfilled. I believe in you my friend. Xx

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Catherine I used to hear that song a lot as a kid. The lyrics don't hold any special value I guess, other than to reinforce that I am OK, by myself. That's something I want and need to feel because it doesn't come naturally.
Edna am I HALT? I don't know if that will fix it. I feel BAD. I sat on my bed for hours making plans for ending my life before. I was a bit shocked when I shook myself out of it. I want this to stop. I thought of asking youngest son here for some pot or something stronger. I don't have a nice outfit just my shredded old jeans and a few black t-shirts. I did get to wash them when i was staying with A so at least they are clean. I'm so sick of feeling ashamed when I walk out the door. I look like a teenager off to listen to the doors and smoke pot but with wrinkles and grey hair. It's humiliating. Myself in the mirror makes me sick. I look like a sad old lady who thinks she is still 16. I only kept enough clothes to get me through a few days as I thought I was moving to my mothers. All of my stuff is at her place. I've been wearing the same outfit for over 2 months.
I'll get myself out of it, that's what I do. I just don't know how yet.

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Then in the meantime.... my beauty is not defined by my clothes. My intelligence walks with me every step. My divine loving worthy nature becomes stronger with each breath. I deserve the best and I will get the best because I am worthy. My HP believes in me and joys in the amazing marvel of my creation. I am all that I can be in this moment and every moment I am enough. Keep going with it Mel you are a creative word genius... everything else can wait, suspend, etc.

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Hey mel, the last time i felt like you feel, i call that my bottom. That was my place of total surrender. Im not sure thjs will help but that was when i realised i didnt knkw all the answers and i gave up trying to find an answer to sort me and my family out. I just ran out of hope. It wasnt nice but it was a turning point. It was at that point in my life that was the moment, an important moment for me. From then on everything changed. I accepted my limitations and began accepting lots of things about me.
This has been your time of change and you have done so well. Youve got the awareness now, look how you struggled with it before now your finding it and seeki g it out. Your growth has been amazing and that first post was brilliant. Yes, there are some big cha,lenging times in your life right now but look how you can protect your mind from the facts and the fiction. The fact of the matter is you have done exceptionally well in finding solutions so trust yourself again. The solutions you found were last minute and short term but you found them, all on your own. Your back in that same situation but you have got what you need to get you through this. Your crappy jeans are because your stuffs in your mums, so come on how can that fact possibly tell you your a crappy person, no need for shame mel. The people in your life like the people in most of our lives have issues and deep rooted hurts that lead them to the bad behaviour. Nothings going to change that, its sad but its not your fault or even your problem. What they think or say is not based on the facts of who you are.So, let it go, decide to not feel hurt, its not easy but it can be done, ive seen you do it. Youve put your ex a firmly in his place, its hard but we need to do it with everyone because humans are flawed, not like us alanoners, lol. Ive got faith in you, your a surviver no doubt. Get the chin up write the gratutude list and asset list say a prayer and get moving with this.x

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el-cee I giggled at "because humans are flawed, not like us alanoners" lol. And that helped more than you can imagine.
Thanks, laughing is good and it reminded me of what I do when I feel awful. I seek out things that make me laugh. Not listen to depressing songs which I have been doing all night (I guessed the internet password eventually). Laughing, that's how I feel alive and enjoy the world. So I'm going to watch Russel Brand's latest video and try to think of a really funny movie I can download. Maybe Eddie Murphy's Coming to America, that always makes me bust a gut or Steve Martin's Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, I'm feeling pretty rubbish so I need to bring out the big guns. I wonder if Robin Williams would make me laugh or cry? Maybe both, maybe that's good. Maybe The Birdcage. That's the one, that'll do it. And there's something kinda poetic about letting him make me laugh when I am feeling so low, like a tribute. Perfect. Thank you sweet friend, for making me giggle and having faith in me too. I don't do isolation well. I wonder if camping will be good for me or dangerous. I'll worry about that tomorrow.


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I haven't utilised them for a while actually Paula, I used to. I shall again, good idea.

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There have been times when no one's showed up at the Alanon meeting, and, fortunately there was an open AA meeting nearby that I attended. Once, there was only a closed AA meeting, but the members warmly welcomed me to join after the first five minutes of the meeting.

When I've felt stuck in a bad holding pattern for long periods of time, it was repeatedly suggested that I quiet myself and listen to my HP. Much easier said than done. In hindsight, for me it was more about what I needed to do on the inside than anything I could do on the outside. While I do not relish those years and the growing pains, it was part of HP's plan to clear my path. While I'm not completely out of the woods, thanks to Alanon and MIP, I am now in a much better place with more options and opportunities in front of me. Some people came into my life and add positive value, some left because it was better that way, and those that have remained and are difficult to be around are the same as they ever were. It takes so much practice, practice, practice to let go of people, places, and things that do not serve me well- but when I am able to do this, something so much better fills the empty void. Sending prayers for courage, strength, and wisdom.

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I'm just being objective and practical here Mel. I said this in another post and I don't know if you saw it or not. I do believe much of your problems now are financial. Though some are social as well. In AA, there is a saying - "What do you have to change when you come into AA?" - "Everything." I think the same is true for you here.

Okay, so the effects of you being with a horribly abusive drunk were cascading into all areas. It retarded your growth academically, careerwise, socially, independent living skills wise...etc. So, you have made giant strides in many areas but you are still just in your infancy with this stuff. It's not over when the A is out of the picture. That was just the largest obstacle to you doing the work you need to do.

Suggestions (because I am using the word "need" and I don't know for sure what you need): Now you need to really rejoin the human race by finishing a course of education and developing a career. It wont happen right away, but it will happen. Then you won't need to rely on "breaks" and other people as much. You also need to get out to more meetings and be around more people. I see you let negative energy in and when you are feeling negative you also flock to negative people (like the ex-A because you don't want to hear the solution and the positive). What if you were going to more meetings, church, or whatever and making more friends? Part of your negativity and not seeing a solution is that you have a tiny social network. God works through people and you are shut off from people largely.

This is all a process Mel. You are at a point of really digging in. Your life is going to improve in various areas one by one if you stay the course and have faith. OR - you could revert back to the comfort zone and get back with the rotten A (whom I still can't understand why you have contact with - Actually I kind of do understand - it's self-sabotage and self-punishment) and the 2 of you can both believe the world is crapping on you together while you are afraid to make needed changes.

Once you finish some schooling and develop more of a career you can pretty much give a giant "F you" to the family, the ex, and whomever else. No - it doesn't fix your problem right now. There is no quick fix "right now." There is a process and I see you getting discouraged with the process and dropping it. If you have to go live with family - best have a concrete goal for the meanwhile so you can achieve a better financial or career status while there.

Even if you got a "break" like you say. It would be a bandaid to the larger problems Mel. Commit to expanding your social network, finishing your education, and developing a career that will give you a more grown up, independent, and higher functioning lifestyle. Believe it and achieve it. God will give you the strength but YOU have to do the footwork.

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I can remember you talking about going to AA meetings, too, if I'm remembering well and asking a gal in Al-Anon to sponsor you? Both fellowships can open up your social network and a sponsor from either program can also help you continue with step work if you choose to do it.

I've felt the way you are feeling at hard places in my lifetime. Each stage of growth for me hasn't come without reaching a bottom - some crashing bottoms, some gentler bottoms - it all depended on me. Once there, I could decide if I wanted to keep doing what I'd always done or make some new changes for the new stage of life I had entered. I hadn't failed. I had reached the end of a particular way of being and it was time to make yet another new life for myself. I wasn't failing. I was growing.

You're growing, too, Mel. You can do this. You can get into the programs in earnest with a sponsor and you can recreate your life in wondrous ways with the support and help of the goals you have set for yourself, the fellowship and your HP. Alanon's Keep it Simple was a very helpful slogan to me when deciding what was most important for me to take care of myself and my kids and living one day at a time was a big help, too.

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In short Mel: When I removed the alcohol and the relationship with my ex-A from my life (I did both at once), I got socked in the face full force with the need to change SO MUCH in my life all at once. Assessing the damage done by the way I was living for so long literally hurt and everything seemed like a gigantic obstacle. At first, just doing normal things felt like I was juggling breakable plates and they were all gonna come smashing down or that they actually were coming smashing down when something perceivably went wrong.

This was part of the process. I didn't go from isolated, shut in, and drunk to higher functioning, better employed, and having more friends over night. There was a painful growth process in which I had to go to meetings and utilize a sponsor and the steps and the fellowship daily because it was so scary and difficult to acquire the skills and change in the ways I needed to after that long period of dysfunction and refusal to function that I went through.

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Actually surrender to the process may be a better term because going against it is being willful and that is what is blocking you from happiness, serenity, and abundance. It all makes sense from the perspective of the steps - which I am not sure if you have really worked fully. I didn't understand what "his will for me" meant at the time and it seemed cheezy and I doubted it, but did the work regardless. I wasn't sure how it would play out. Now I can see how I threw up obstacles for myself with my negative and self-defeating beliefs, behaviors, and choices.

Being a totally different Mel is not going to be easy and some days you will want to throw in the towel, but you can't afford that any more. Those days are over.

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Hey Pink if you PM me your mailing address I might just send you my Blueprint for Progress book and you can fill it in for me? Lol I love you but stop taking my inventory!
I don't value what you think I value. Money, posessions, career, these things arent very important to me and I wouldn't relish using them to say FU to my peanut gallery, if I was going to say FU to them it would be due to the fact that i don't care at all about those things that they obsess about. To be honest if I didn't have a child and a fear of harming or losing her I would live a completely spiritual lifestyle, in a commune, as a nun, with the krishnas...anywhere that it is OK to not care about having lots of money to buy lots of garbage. It just holds no value for me. I value knowledge, spiritual growth and people. But I will pursue a career to provide some stability and lifestyle for my child who can decide for herself whether she values those things or not.

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And I don't want you to be discouraged either Mel. I almost didn't respond to your vent here because I know you are fragile right now and you have made some very bold and brave strides in your life. I am very proud of you but also see the need to continue to change. We all have to do that as it turns out. I am never done having to change and adjust to life either.

Many women would have been damaged even worse by the type of family and relationship you have been in. They would have crumbled. Please validate yourself today by acknowledging how awesome you are but move forward and have faith.

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I didn't think you would value the money. It's the stability Mel. And I didn't think you literally wanted to say F U to the family either. I meant heal and move forward to the point where detachment is easier and their words and behavior simply don't matter as much.

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I know and I also know I need to keep moving forward. Not knowing where I will live in 2 days isn't a great feeling and to be honest I had thought my mother was going to be welcoming so it was a big smack in the face to find she doesn't want me there and it is all just a game. Expanding my social network is a great idea but just for right now I need to deal with the fact that I don't have a home for my daughter to come back to and that's very scary and making me feel pretty sick.

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And lastly, then I will move on from this: I was identifying largely and speaking from my own journey. It was a hugely painful time when I left my ex and just started out in my sobriety/alanon journey. It was raw and painful and I identified that as where you are at in some ways (maybe mistakenly). It wasn't fun for me to go there and remember all that crap and try and put it in a way that would hopefully be of use to you and it wasn't done for the sake of taking your inventory.

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It also wasn't easy for me to go back 36 years either, Mel, or to share with you what was happening in me at that time. It's care for you that invites me to pass on my own e/s/h, to read your vents, to try to remember all that you have said and to dig deep to find whatever there is in my own experience that might be of help to you. "Whatever" is a response that I will take as don't bother sharing it anymore. I won't. I practice the 12 steps myself and I share what I have to share as a 12 step. What I don't expect myself to do is to continue to share with anybody what is hard to share to receive a flip "whatever" which to me is a middle finger reaction. Good luck, Mel.

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I, too, took the remark "whatever" as a middle finger response.  I wish you the best, Melly.



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PP wrote:

I, too, took the remark "whatever" as a middle finger response.  I wish you the best, Melly.


I took it as the same thing..Had to read it twice to be sure....when people "whatever" me i see their middle digit standing up at attention.......i, too, wish you the best, Melly......I shared my esh, too, to try and help...a lot of folks here shared b/c they cared.......good luck on your journey, Melly!!!



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Ive used 'whatever' before and sometimes its just that feeling of hopelessness, just a bit like f@#$ it kind of thing. I dont think its whatever, like i dont care what you think. I could be wrong, have been before but i have used this term as a way of saying, i give up, nothings working, im over it, im done kind of thing.

what does the preamble say? There is no situation too bad that cant be bettered. This too shall pass.x

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Sending all the positive vibes your way Melly, take care of you ((((hugs))))).

PS Thank you for this thread - there is loads of feedback that I am learning from as well

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Pinkchip's post on "I'm just being practical" is just what I would have said if I could speak that eloquently.

The unfortunate fact is that many of us get years to develop all our new skills, tools, relationships, and resources, but you, Mel, have been plunged into an advanced-level, extra-intense, accelerated PhD course in The New Way of Living.  Like being dropped in the ocean with a rowboat and a paperclip to make into a fishing hook, and there you are.

It isn't fair and it is stressful as all get-out, but one thing that makes me feel not so scared is that you, Melly, are one of the most amazing, capable, determined people on the planet, and I can see you already rowing like crazy to get to that little desert island with a spring and a palm tree on it, where you will figure out the next step of the plan.

As things get more challenging, we need more and more support.  Meetings, sponsors, tools, networks - no holding back - use it all.  We've got your back.  {{{hugs}}}



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