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AH Marriage and the 1/2 way house rules.


Whew, so I have to ask questions and also tell what I did that was completely insane. My AH went to a 1/2 house probably 30 days ago. He called me the day he left at 9 AM and said I have to go in there today by 1pm. I said ok, well let's hope this is a good thing, do you need anything etc. He said no he had what he needed. We hung up. I assumed he would come by and say goodbye, hug, kiss whatever. Nope that didn't happen. I didn't hear from him for two weeks when I was finally able to track him down after a court date he went to in which my daughter said Mom is kind of mad with you, you just up and left her and now she heard nothing from you. He said some guy ran away so they got put on restrictions and were not allowed to receive any calls, but that he could have called me each day for 2 minutes.

 

So what did he do, not call, nothing. He asked me to come to the house and bring him stuff for his new job. So I did and he acted stupid to me, I blew.....I mean I had a complete break from the sane world and just lashed out. Naturally I got kicked off the property and the entire time he stood there saying nothing. I emptied his closets and took his stuff to his new home and dumped it in the street. Another stupid move on my part after all that, I really did have a complete mental break. By the Grace of God, CODA, Al-Anon and a counselor I found a new counselor to see who is much more intensive and is a huge help.

I snapped because we are married and he just moves on like he has no responsibility what so ever to his marriage that is a covenant to God. Any how his new home placed restrictions that he cannot have any contact with me what so ever, which is fine I guess. I did make amends to him, the home and the poor fellows in the home, because I was wrong.  However, I keep getting tripped up when I think of marriage and what it means and what God and Jesus says about it. I also keep getting tripped up on the fact that it appears to me they are molly-coddling him and helping him avoid our issues, his financial responsibilities etc. I feel also like the 1/2 way house is playing God where they should not be. Of course it makes sense for both of us to step away for a time, but for over 60 days with zero contact and everyone just thinks I should just be ok with that and that he is sick so he can't do anything or be accountable for anything. It is making it so hard for me to believe in recovery and AA and 1/2 way houses. Am I just being stuck in denial, anger, resentment what, why can't I buy into this?



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Dear Flower thank you for your clarity and honesty regarding a very difficult family situation. Al-Anon is a fellowship of men and women who have lived with the disease of alcoholism and understand as few others can. The opening to our meetings states that living with this disease is too much for most of us-our thinking becomes distorted by trying to force solutions and we become irritable and unreasonable without knowing it. I know I can well identify with what you experienced and how you reacted. I had lived with the anger resentment self pity and fear for so long that my response system was over the top.

As you know alcoholism is a dreadful, fatal, progressive disease over which we are powerless. It affects  the person, who has this disease in their physical emotional and spiritual being.  Living with the disease also affects us in the same manner. We need a program of recovery and  new tools to live by. Al-Anon offered me those tools and a safe place to practice them. I urge you to search out face-to-face meetings in your community and attend.

It is at these face-to-face meetings I learned to break the isolation caused by the disease, rebuilt my self-esteem and self-worth and learned how to again respond and not react. This is a process and we urge progress not perfection so please keep coming back you're not alone



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Of course dear one you have a right to feel as you do.Does not make it easy or accepted by some others. does not matter.

I do know how it feels. Sadly it is usually the way for these A's who need to check out, trying to get into recovery.Many need to get their brains into tunnel vision, sobriety first, then work on all the things that are not a positive part of their lives. like lying, stealing, being manipulative, learning to care about others etc.

It is hard on us, why don't we matter? So for me I took my life over and did it all. He was not going to do anything anyway. So I paid his taxes, got my financial life in order as best as I could. he was NOT in recovery, he just left.

Being angry becuz someone is sick? Does that make sense? I learned to feel compasssion, acceptance. Its horribly hard as you are left with everything. I was left with everything when my first husband was killed in an accident. Sometimes we have to take over and make our lives work without them.

Kicking and screaming does no good. As you know. I can remember that anger as you had getting his stuff, throwing it etc. We are so totally frustrated.

I invite you to look at your life and what you need and want, figure out how to do it yourself. As far as the halfway house, he is choosing to not get involved with his past. That is his choice. Leaves  you with it all, however we cannot change  him or his choices no matter how much we lose it.

Good for you for coming here and letting us know where you are! Its the first step for you in finding your own way. We are here for  you. YOU can do it!

Its hard to face when our spouse acts like this. I am like you, marriage is forever, only broken by death and adultery. BUt we can divorce or separate, we just cannot scriptually remarry. Or we can and pray that our Father forgives us.

Believe me your HP knows how you feel. I like the let go and let God. Give all this stuff to him. Then you find your path.

hugs! I hope to see you here a lot!



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Hello Flower!  I can only share with you from a place of personal experience, related to alcoholism, halfway houses, and trying to find my own dignity as a Al-Anon member.

First, let me qualify myself for a moment.  I am what is often called a Double Winner.  I am both an AA and an Al-Anon member.  I have been in AA and sober for over 24 years, and I have been in Al-Anon for over 15 years.  And I have personally opened, ran, developed the policies and procedures, house guidelines for 3 half way houses.  Two for men and one for woman.  This is what I did from 2005, to 2013. When I closed the last one down due to the economic stress involved.

Now, I can fully understand where you are coming from and how you feel about what has transpired, regarding both the disrespectful treatment you were inflicted with by the alcoholic, as well as your marriage being minimized by some half way house rules.  I never tried to interfere with a marriage that was already in place when a new person came into the homes, but I did have a standing policy that no new relationships could be indulged in prior to their first six months of residency.  This is a time frame that the alcoholic needs to build a strong foundation of recovery in the rooms, with a sponsor, a good support network, etc.  When the opposite sex comes into the picture in early recovery, the recovery pretty much immediately takes a back seat regarding its level of priority in the alcoholics life.  Now, I have had to step in and block family, including wife's or husbands from contact a few times.  Why?  Because their ongoing involvement in the alcoholics life at that stage of their recovery was literally jeopardizing any progress being made.  I have had to stop parents from paying their alcoholics rent, because they would say, "I wish he or she would just grow up", and yet they were treating them like a baby, and interfering with the alcoholic taking responsibility for themselves as adults, and in some case I could see a parent literally loving their alcoholic/addict to death by enabling and always rescuing them.  Like, why would someone, especially an alcoholic go look for a job, (which was a house guideline), when mom and/or dad are paying the rent, providing grocery money, putting gas in their car, paying the car note, and/or insurance... and there is no end in sight?  Instead of trying to becoming self supporting the alcoholic is at the beach, laying in the sun.  Wive's and husbands, can also put so much pressure on the alcoholic to take their role as such and return home, and its the home environment that has been their drinking territory for a long time, and sometimes it was the wife or husband that was the alcoholics drinking or using buddy.  How long do you believe an alcoholic or addict in early recovery would stay clean and sober under those conditions?  Then there is the drama stuff. Some wives and husbands are full of drama, they are always in crisis, they never put down their own weapons and are always geared towards conflict with the alcoholic or addict.  With this triggered mind set and the emotionalization that comes with it, the newcomer cannot focus, concentrate, give undivided attention to what they are suppose to be learning and doing.  Their brain is all over the place.  Now they are in a lose lose situation.  They cannot do anything right regarding the spouse, nor can they do anything right regarding the half way house, and thus that feeling of hopelessness set's in and they just want to throw in the towel and give up altogether.  I have had men and woman stay in my homes from any where from a few days to over a year.  And I have to put a stat out here regarding their relapses if they experienced one in the first year.  After 30 days I would allow weekend overnight visits with family.  Sometimes it was the wife and kids they spent it with, other times it was parents. But the result became very obvious.  The majority of relapses took place while on a over night visit with family or within 2 weeks of returning from it.  In short, family dynamics can and does play a big role in what can trigger an alcoholic or addict back into the active disease.    

Now, I must admit that your own conduct probably didn't help the house admin or even hubby to re think their position regarding contact with you.  LOL  But, let's move away from the alcoholic and the half way house for a moment.  What about you getting well.  What about you healing?  I'm not hearing that he was forced by the courts, or other entity to go into the halfway house, and that not being the case, he is really stepping out on faith that you will be there when he has a good foundation of recovery under his belt, if only 60 days worth, and it is probably more than he has put together in a while.  He is trying to put his alcoholism in check.  Do you think this is a good time for him to have to battle with wife and try to put her in check too?  He is addicted to alcohol and/or drugs.  It is taking him down, and you right along with him.  It appears that you might be addicted to him, and all the drama, crisis, chaos, confusion and conflict that results from it.  "Heck if he isn't here to get my fix from, I'll go to him and get it damnit!"  LMAO!  Maybe it is time to take the 60 days in front of you and focus on yourself and your own wellness, so when the day comes that you are reunited, there isn't one trying to get well, and the other as sick as they ever were. This is a absolutely perfect time for you to step into the rooms of Al-Anon and start working this program so you can better respond to things as they unfold, instead of react to them as you have been.

I love what my sponsor says... "an untreated Alcoholic, with an untreated Al-Anon is like two tics without a dog.  They will without a doubt try to suck the blood out of each other."  What he doesn't say and probably should.. if one is staying sick and trying to suck the life out of the other.. the one trying to get healthier, and recover will surely end up running for their lives.  And what better commonality to have in a martial relationship, then two people who share the world of 12 Step recovery together, each on their own journey, following their own path, but able to talk and share about something so important to the both of them?

Right now, I am sensing that your recovery from the I.S.M's and all that it entails is every bit as important and valuable to you and your marriage as what he is trying to do.  Step over the threshold into a Al-Anon room and let us help you find your way through this stuff without losing your mind trying to figure it all out alone.

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Thank you for the reply. I am fully aware that my conduct was completely insane and I did with the help of my counselor make amends for that. I have been in the program for some time and just got pulled away from it. This isn't my husbands first rodeo he has been a meth and alcohol user for quite sometime and has been in and out of treatment and legal troubles many many times. So there in lies the rub for me. Now I can't hardly believe he is so "sick" when he completely has the tools and resources to manage his "sickness". Now for me it's down to his choices.

He is at the 1/2 way house, because he used meth 2 times while on probation during the first 2 months. He came up with a brilliant plan with the help of an AA friend to rush to detox and then agree to go to the 1/2 way house. Of course I am mad with him for making a stupid I am high, scared of jail decision that would and has affected me. The first time he was to report, he showed up there, stayed 1/2 hour and left and went and got high. He got another break and waited 28 days and got accepted. Let's face the stark honest truth here. He is there because he was told if he makes one false move he will go to jail. So, he isn't really trying to be sober for himself, he is scared to go to jail. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. As I talked with counselor about my issues we also discussed that the people running the house are encouraging him in some way to avoid any issues here in the real world. Issues he mainly caused. He has been given permission to run and hide. As I write this at this point honestly I don't really care what he is doing. I am making head way in my recovery, I am taking care of me and making some of my dreams and goals actually happen. I am finally going to see my son who I have not seen in five years this weekend. He lives in Florida and I live in Nebraska. Never could afford a plane ticket because my husband was constantly stealing, not working or in legal trouble.

You are right I probably was addicted to my addict. But also please remember we did marry under the covenant of God and that is a real deal, not anything you just wisk away. I am not going to take shame, blame or guilt anymore for his actions. I am relying on the Al-anon slogans to help me through and the Grace of God. When I feel fear, I remember that my fear is my lack of faith and turn over my cares and worries to God.

I am now at the point (thanks to a great counselor) that I honestly just don't care about him or his recovery. In other words, I am just stepping out easy, letting all the toxic waste go. Of course it still hurts, of course I am still grieving, angry, resentful but with the help of all involved each day I am getting a little better.

I love your posts on here by they way. I actually really learn some things and have to sit back, think, listen and learn. Thank you.



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You sound like a strong woman Linda...dealing with difficult circumstances. Yeah, alcoholic/addicts get some coddling and "permission" to not function fully in halfway. That is why it is called halfway. It's not fair or right and I can totally see how as the spouse it all seems like a giant cop out. Their goal (the house) is more to keep him sober than make him mind responsibities. I used to always tell my rehab clients to utilize halfway to get whole way. Dunno if that will happen here but sounds like you are really working the alanon tools now with detachment and focus on healthy self-care. Good work!



-- Edited by pinkchip on Thursday 12th of June 2014 01:21:30 PM

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I'm sorry you're going through this.  It is so hard.

One thing it took me many tries to realize is that I don't have any control over the alcoholic.  He sure wasn't pulling his weight and living up to his end of the marriage.  It got so I was trying to do both sides of the marriage -- my own and trying to make him do his, which was like wrestling with a supertanker.  It goes the way it wants to go, not the way you want it to go.  Unfortunately.

And it is unquestionably infuriating.  But realistic expectations are key.  If you married a deaf guy, maybe he should hear if you say "Could you do this?", but he won't.  A blind guy won't see the dust, an diabetic can't will himself not to go into shock, and an addict, even one in early recovery, just doesn't have the capacity to be a 100% responsible partner in a marriage.  Maybe 5% if he's really on top of things.  It's not fair that you don't have a 100% partner, but it's the way it is right now.

When I reached this point in my train of thought, I always started to feel victimized.  "What did I do to deserve this?"  Well, to my mind no one deserves it, but that doesn't mean I was helpless over it.  I said "Yes" to a lot of things despite a lot of red flags in the beginning.  Some of them I was just too naive to understand.  Some of them I thought I could overcome by sheer will power.  Instead I made a series of choices that got me into a bad corner.  I always think to myself, "My choices, my results."

So from here on in we can make the healthiest choices available to us, and things start getting better.

About the marriage covenant, there is a lot of divergent thought.  Some people say that if one person breaks it badly, it's broken.  Like if he were out living with half a dozen floozies, it would be broken.  (Alcohol is just as powerful as half a dozen floozies, in my experience -- meth is probably a full dozen.)  The way I look at it, you can have the piece of paper and the promises, but that doesn't dictate your day to day life.  It doesn't even dictate that you have to live in the same house together.  It might dictate that you keep yourself as healthy as possible so as not to hinder his chances for recovery, and you stand ready to be a health wife to him should he ever return to sanity.  But the fact is that you can't be a regular wife to an insane person.  It's just not possible.

That's the way I see it.  Take what you like and leave the rest.  Take good care of yourself.



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Thank you for your kinds words. I am pretty strong and resilient actually. My first husband, the true love of my life passed away and I managed to keep it together for my kids sake. I didn't at that time really know how it important it was to let myself grieve and heal. But once again angels were placed before me and guided me. I will get through this as well if I rely on faith and my groups.



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Hi Flower. I am sorry about your situation. In Al Anon I have come to believe in a higher power. I call my higher power God. My God is a kind and loving God. He did not want me to live in pain, anxiety and fear. He gave me the strength to leave my AH to have a better life. I know Jesus would want the same for me as well. Have you ever listened to Dr. Laura? I agree with what she says about marriage. It's the three "A"'s. Abuse, Affairs and Addictions. When these things exist in a marriage, it is ok to leave the relationship. This is my belief as well. I have had 2 broken marriages because of these things. Do you think your husband feels the same way you do about it being a covenant with God? He needs to find his own higher power. We don't know what plan God has for him. You can only know what God has planned for you Do you think it involves this kind of treatment you are going through? Just my 2 cents. I have prayed a lot and I have learned to rely on God for the answers in these difficult times



-- Edited by Newlife girl on Thursday 12th of June 2014 03:09:26 PM

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Update: Still no contact with my AH, still holding me to restrictions by the peer evaluation group. I think this is quite a sick game that is being played. They must find it quite amusing to continue to hurt me physically, emotionally, and mentally. I don't find anywhere in any readings from the Big Book to Ala-Non to CODA that this is a good recovery behavior for my AH. I guess it's their way of forcing us to separate and eventually I will file for divorce. The house leader continues to basically outright lie to me saying the restrictions will be lifted in 30 days which of course was an outright lie. What this proves to me is that even though A's say they are working a program blah blah blah they really aren't. I am waking up and smelling the roses that being in AA is really about working parts of the program to the best of what suits you in your life. I think they can all just quit pretending to be integral, honest, non judgmental etc. It's a big joke.



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I found out that where my son was ( rehab ) that he could sign a paper forbidding me from seeing him and the facility will just tell me no I can't see him. Alcoholics need very intense recovery programs and sometimes that involves not seeing family for a while.

My heart go's out to you because I know how much it hurts. I would just continue to take care of your recovery and prayers things will change

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You are dealing with a population in halfway. Not all the staff are in treatment or have programs. Slamming AA because of the problems that chronic relapsers have is not really fair or an accurate assessment of AA. Halfway is also not AA. They are required to show slips of paper for AA attendance but the halfway really just wants no drugs/alcohol on property and people paying their rent. They are a business. AA is not.

That being said, the "restrictions" you are talking about are usually ones that are put in place in rehabs and not halfways. Halfway is an environment where they are supposed to have freedoms with supervision....hence the term "halfway." Some of this might be your husband's choice as he is the identified patient/resident and they owe all loyalty to him and not you. I'm not sure what recovery behavior you think is so "not good for him." At this point - simply not drinking/drugging would be the best. First things first. He is also not working your recovery plan. It's his.

Not that I don't empathize. I do. I can see how you would be pushed to your limit and done with the BS of having an addict husband in a halfway where he gets treated like a little kid and so do you by association. That is a reality and it sucks. I feel you.

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