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Gonna be 50 this week--do u remember how that felt for you or were u going through too much other bigger disease stuff at that time--do these milestone birthdays always feel tough for you ( I know many of u have also seen 60 & 70 & 80 or higher)?
--I am feeling emotional; I could use a prayer from a loving friends who has been there. I am not sure what it is exactly but I feel very sensitive and teary. I could cry at commercials right now. I used to be quite labile due to unprocessed "emotional stuff" and then I started to do the steps with emotional processing work and gladly have felt less that way for several years now.
It is back again though. maybe I need to attend to my inner self a little more closely these days. So lately I am going to cemetery on my bike and after my ride I sit at one of those nice benches under a tree and I cry a little. There is a man buried there that is born the same year but was just 38 when he died. That can give me perspective when I need it. It is a little comical in that u can go and cry in a semi public place like a cemetery and it feels quite"ok" to cry there.BUT... Hopefully his wife wont come buy and think he had an affair with me in life and that is why some strange woman sits and cries there. LOL
I don't know what it is exactly about turning 50 that is triggering these emotions. I generally have an arrogant attitude that I am above this kind of thing like: "oh it is a Hallmark created problem or event and I wont be manipulated by them". There has to be something more about that number that leads ppl into Harley Davidson stores.
I think at this time I am missing my children being little and sweet and in my arms and knowing that for absloute sure...I will never hold a baby of my very own again. Feeling so much less of the sometimes comforting illusion of control over their lives, now that they are out on their own. I know for pretty sure that my arthritis will prevent me from many of the things I have enjoyed in earlier more flexible parts of my physical life ( water skiing on one ski -but maybe 2 is still do-able, certain yoga poses, long hikes (without highly paying for it later), I feel more tired in general. I have many losses ahead of me too and they are obviously coming closer due to age (losing ppl to health issues-I love a lot of older ppl right now who are not getting younger & some who have had serious health issues),
So on the one hand I want to let myself HAVE this grief and not be saying things like " oh but u can still do this or that, and oh u can likely still hold a grand baby someday perhaps, because for so long in my life I felt ashamed of having feelings--- hearing reactions like"oh u should be grateful for what u do have" or feeling those historical shame triggers because of the more immediacy of other ppl's feelings & issues, like the chronic relapses and searching for a detox that would have a bed available for one of the 3 active alcoholics I spent so much of my life with--- their ongoing crises always trumped my feelings...so it feels important to say, "it is ok to feel this...these are your entitled, human and shameless feelings--yours are no less or more important than another's feelings". For some ppl it is growth not to delve into feeling as much and for others it is growth to finally ackowledge u have them , they are just human and that they matter. On the other hand I know I can let go of these feelings if they hurt too much--I know HP will gladly take this burden if I surrender it with the steps: "into your hands I place all questions and on to your shoulders I place all burdens" is part of a lovely Marianne Williamson prayer I have heard. But somehow i don't want to let them go yet...I am not wallowing in them, but trying to just be in acceptance of them. just needed to share with ala-pals who get it!! And maybe soon I will find (or write) a nice poem, board share or article that will help comfort and enlighten me.
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Wishing all the best on your recovery journey, Luv
I don't know what is triggering the feelings either and have you thought about writing a gratitude and assets list that contains the ways you have grown and what you have achieved in 10 years - since your 40 birthday? Something on the order of here sits luv123, who turned 40 in June of 2004. On that 40th year anniversary date, luv... the 10 year highlights, lessons and blessings you'd like to record? Then, following writing out that chapter of your life, you could always take yourself out with or without loved ones and friends to celebrate all you have achieved in 10 years time? Then, maybe put what you want to do on a goal list for the next 10 years leaving room for a lot of surprises, too, and put that in your God box?
I turned 65 this year and so I've hit the 50 year mark about 15 years before you. I can remember feeling around that time as if I'd pretty much accomplished all that I'd wanted to do. My prayer was on the order of "God, if I've done all I've been meant to do in this lifetime, I'm ready to go home. If not, make it clear what you would have me do?" That was in January of the year I turned 50. I learned I was going to be a grandmother in November of that year. Never saw it coming. Glad it did. Never saw a purchase of a large structure and remodel of it for my non-profit work either. Never foresaw the project being totally paid off before my 55th birthday or a two month sabbatical that included a long vacation in San Francisco, a place I had longed to see for many years. Didn't see me ready for retirement or itching to free myself from some relationships and behaviors I had outgrown.
Celebrate your self, luv, and grieve if you must. I think that is all part of being alive and being human. Happy, happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Edited by grateful2be on Monday 2nd of June 2014 12:29:50 PM
Hi Luv Nice to hear from you I like how you have given yourself permission to feel your feelings, share them here, and not try to justify them or run from them. Good work!!! Feelings are just feelings and feeling them is so important .
I must say that I did not experience any grief over turning 50-- I felt my life began at 40 (I became aware and present at that age ) and it just got better at 50 . Now 70 was a different story ;)
The best is yet to be.
hugs, fifty is a milestone. Now we are closer to 100 than ever before. I was told this is when a person will be more tired, more sensitive, your body really shows its wear. I poo pooed it. It is true for me.
I realize wow, I had my kids, got married, bought a house in the country, lived in a cabin, love my adult kids, done all the things i wanted to in my life.
now what? why are my arms looking weird, skin is funny. My knee hurts, fingers are hurting and they are bent, my hair has grey in it or it is all grey. Lets not talk about teeth.
men don't look at me anymore, they treat me with respect opening doors and can I help you. nice but....
geez I used to work on the place eight hours straight or more on a fence. I would paint one room in a day, two coats. Now I paint one side of the door and neet a nap.lol
well I am 61 now. My body doesn't seem weird anymore, have accepted it and its familiar. have grown, don't care what anyone thinks but hp. I will do what I am going to do. If i lose my home, I will drag a trailor around or have a camper, and yes my animals will go where I do. all of them.
I know where you are, it will get better believe me. I like feeling like hey I am old enough to be your great gma so don't give me any crap.lol
No my hair is not grey so there is one nice thing, my fat makes me soft, fills out most wrinkles...i am not fat not skinny, I like me.
A's? well I love them like I love every human. have great compassion, ignore the bs, givem a dollar at least. listen to them, think this is someones child, husband, wife, mother, father etc.
anyway my dear there is my experience! yep always carry a hankie like our moms and gmas did! crying is good not bad. never apologize for it.
hugs again
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"It's not so much being loved for ourselves, but more for being loved in spite of ourselves."
Yes I remember turning 50. Why did the AARP send me a card unsolicited? Who clued them in? I thought it was all over.
I too like the idea of acknowledging your discomfort here in a safe place. When you have worked it through with the steps (and perhaps your sponsor), you will probably find a peace about what has come before. In most cases, I do.
Since turning 50, I have been at my happiest. There are fewer distractions. I dig deeper into experiences. I am more clear about what is a waste of my time (although anyone seeing me from the outside could easily think now I'm wasting my time). I "cleaned house". Like you, I have a lot of friends who are even older than I. I remember at 50, I felt as if they were saying "Come in, the water is fine". I keep surprising myself with happiness. It's good.
I have been meaning to thank you for that lovely bunch of suggestions--glad to hear of your post 50 wonders in live!!! Also glad for validation that grief and sadness and happiness etc are all just part of life' process. Hope u are well!!! Luv123
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THANKS!!!! All of your shares really touched my heart--thanks so much for taking the time to read and to share your ESH---been meaning to say that to all of you who responded. happily, now that the birthday is in rear view mirror, I can report that I am feeling way more balanced and am trying some of your gentle suggestions... Your wisdom has been inspiring!!!
Luv123
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(((luv))) One suggestion for the next 10 years - stay away from folks who visit their doctors regularly. One of the things I noticed after I reached 50 was the number of people in my company whose conversation always returned to their various ailments, the meds they were on, the tests they had undergone or were going to undergo, how they'd compiled medical journals to track everything from what new boo-boo appeared on their skin after being in the sun to how difficult it was to find just the right kind of supplement to their healthy diets. People do have a right to focus on what they choose to focus on, but frankly, I'd rather focus on fun, laughter, creative endeavors and growth than health, health, health and the dangers of growing more seasoned and mature.
I can remember going to a physician at age 62. I needed an antibiotic for bacterial bronchitis. Can't write my own script, so I had to go. The physician read my chart and gave me a lecture on not going for all the recommended "preventative" tests that my insurance covered. She also stressed the very necessary importance of going for all of them and insisted I do it. My interior self disagreed with her opinion. I just let her talk. She kept pushing and telling me it was her job to advise me on the "need" for all these tests. I thanked her and then said, "And I won't be going for them." "What?!? If you wait on getting these tests, it could be too late!" "Too late for what? I am 62 years old. I am in good health except for occasional URIs and a disorder that medicine cannot really help because I've done all that was prescribed and learned I could better deal with it without meds and tests that didn't help. My children are grown. My grandson is on his way to high school. I am looking at retirement in a few years. I am going to die. What will be too late for me?" The body is a dynamic organ. Although medical science has made headway in some areas, tests can find problems that the body itself can heal. All the drugs that some in my circle have taken have resulted in the need for more meds to counterbalance the damage done by former meds. I'm not against seeing doctors or getting tests, but I do find that the constant focus on health - the lack of it or the fear of losing it - is boring and doesn't encourage stimulating conversation or living life in a celebrative fashion.
This will be long, but there is a point, and I wasn't in program then, but a program tool does come into play.
When I was 50, I took up ballroom dancing. And when my teacher, who was the owner of the studio, announced that we were going to be doing a performance in three months, whether I paid for it or not, I decided not at this weight. So I lost 40 pounds in 3 months--you can do that at 50 if you're dancing 15 hours a week and very motivated--and made myself a beautiful costume. One day early on, when I'd only lost 10 (usually it takes 20 for anybody to notice, but I was exercising a lot, remember) another instructor walked up beside me and told me I was looking good. And I burst into tears. He was dismayed--what had he said, and I sobbed out "Nothing, it's just that my mother is breaking down physically and my husband is on a dry drunk and nobody has said anything nice to me in so long."
One day 6 months in I was in line at the grocery store, in a skirt and heels and a little hat I wore to shade me from the sun, on my way home from a lesson, and a much younger man walked up to me and said, "You are a beautiful woman." And I smiled and thanked him. I don't think anybody would ever have described me as "beautiful," but I was radiating healthy animal spirits and contentment and I knew what he meant. It didn't hurt what dancing did for my legs, either.
In the meantime, husband became very supportive--would be sure to be there when I was doing an exhibition, would take videos, attended the parties and danced with all the older women. He had been the same way when I was 30 and in college--tutored me in Algebra and Chemistry and French, would go to sleep on the couch so I could wake him to read a paper to him when I was working on one. Was so very pleased for me and said so.
And here's the program tool part--which was inadvertent, not thought out--I got the focus on me and something I loved to do. And was totally off his case. And I was happy in my own right. .
Hope this helps.
Temple
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Thank you Luv123 for your comment 'these are your entitled, human and shameless feelings', it is a really lovely thing to say.
And thank you Grateful for reminding me to stay away from people who love to talk about their ailments. Great advice
I am 54 so the benchmark is still fairly fresh, I still feel it from time to time. When my mother turned 80 she took some lessons in driving a racing car. I think that it is nice to do something like that.
Ooooooo, Milkwood, I would have loved to meet your Mom! What a gal. She knows how to celebrate life rather than fear losing it. Woohoo! Luv, let's go hang out with Milkwood and her Mom or somebody like her Mom?
Wow Luv123, what a great post! And the replies that go with it are fabulous!
What I post here might be a little bit long, but I think it gives me a place to share it thanks to your post.
The big five ohhhhhh! I went through something similar as what you describe. There was a sense of grieving the past, of deep emotional sensitivity. Something I had not done or even acknowledged would need to be done as time marked her place in my life again at the age of 50. Then I turned 50. Not only was it a milestone of age so to speak, but at that time, as many of you know, I discovered my ex wife was having an affair, and filed for divorce. I was an absolute mess emotionally between the two. Lose's were so close to my heart. So many had come and gone. I buried so many family members during the early 2000's, whose life's were ended tragically. Two aunts, the last of my deceased mothers family of origin were murdered in Fort Myers, Florida. One was on hospice, at home and the person who did this broke into her home and beat her to death. He then showered and ate. She was an Al-Anon member for 40+ years of her life. My other aunt lived only 2 miles away and would check on her 2 -3 times a day. She went to the home a few hours later and he was still there. He beat her to death also. Then tried to set the house on fire in a effort to destroy evidence of what he had done and/or means by which he could be identified. The fire went out by itself without spreading or even indicating to neighbors that a fire had been started in it. One of my cousins (second aunts daughter) went to the house to find her mother when she wasn't home later that evening and found both of them dead. This ripped the heart out of our family. We gathered in Ft. Myers from all over the U.S. "Murder -Bludgeoned to death by a unknown heavy object" is all the coroner's office would tell us. The police would only say they were investigating, but could not provide us with any information at the time. About 6 weeks later, they arrested a man in Topeka, Kanas and charged him with their murders. This was 2007.
Within 90 days of this tragic and traumatizing experience, my oldest and favorite sister Dee, was murdered by her alcoholic husband of 27 years in Vinton, Va, after he discovered she was consulting with a divorce attorney. Upon her return home from the attorney's office, which she thought he knew nothing about, he met her in the living room with a gun and put a bullet in her head. Then hid her body in the basement. Their daughter, my niece, went to visit them as she did daily on her way to or from work, and he would not let her in the house. She tried calling her mother on her cell phone and house phone with no answer and then called the police asking for a "well being check" on her mother. They went and found my sister dead on the basement floor. Her husband admitted to the police he had killed her in a rage over her attempting to find out about filing for a divorce. This was 2007.
2008 I turned 50. Now, during these and many other loses prior, I was always the strong one that family and friends would lean on. I was the one that got things done. Like working with life insurance company my sister was on, taking her husband off as beneficiary since he murdered her, and getting it re-assigned to their adult daughter, calling and making memorial and funeral arrangements, etc, etc. I literally "stuffed" my own grief during these experiences so I could function, for I knew that if I broke, I would not be able to be of any use to any one. Problem was, I stuffed it so deep that even in the aftermath of it all, I couldn't let it out, process it out. And I came into turning 50, feeling a bit guilty for not being able to cry, feel much of anything related to these tragic deaths of very dear and close family members. Yet, a TV commercial, a movie, a song on the radio, a story in the news... would have tears rolling down my face.
I started having anxiety attacks too. Never in my life did I have any real anxiety but now I was being gripped by horrible attacks that seemed to come out of no where. Things got so bad inside of me by 2012, that I went to a professional for help. This psychiatrist hit the nail on the head pretty much from the get-go. He determined that I didn't have a mental health disorder, but I had been walking through a grave yard every year for about 20 years literally and had so much unresolved grief pinned up in me that it was coming out sideways and giving itself expression in the anxiety attacks. He would usually refer someone like me to someone else, but for whatever reason, wanted to work with me for a year. We worked out the financial bugs so I could afford him and my therapy started. I was able to start the process of grieving the loses I had experienced and stuffed for as much as 20 years.
I am 55 yrs old now. And the past two years, while having both good and not so good life experiences, I am able to live life fully. My insides and outside world are matching with out any false pretense of "okayness". Maybe more fully than I have ever lived life. There is a peace, a calmness, a newness to my life today.
This past week, I went and did something I have wanted to do for years, that I use to do regularly and really enjoy. I went camping. I even went out of state, from North Carolina to Ohio, to do it. I had a blast! Oh my, let me not forget this part... I had a absolutely beautiful woman with me! We visited Akron, AA's birthplace with Dr. Bob and Bill W, and went to all the AA historical sites.
For me, this process started at the age of 50. It was not an easy process to go through, and find my way but as you make very clear in your post, it all started with owning it, feeling it, letting it have appropriate expression and letting go. Working the steps, especially step three on a daily basis during this process helped me cross the bridge from the shore of reason to the shore of faith.
John
Our little camp ground site. Loved it!
Violet and I sitting at the kitchen table in Dr. Bob's house, where he and Bill W. worked with many alcoholics, and started the very beginning of AA. So, cool!
((((((Hugs))))))) John
What very special photographs, fantastic to see you sitting there. You are truly beautiful people in every sense.
Thank you for sharing your story, that means a lot.
I understand your feelings concerning milestones. There are of course all kinds and it's a matter of how we choose to see them. Holidays, children growing to independence, death of loved ones, changes to personal health and physical appearance. I think a lot of how we feel results from how society itself views aging in a negative way. And of course we can talk about how elders are revered in some countries yada yada yada but personally I'm not sure if age and wisdom are synomymous. I've always been a person who is excited to know people of all ages and cultures and to keep learning and growing. There's no denying that I've lost a great many people now. That became more evident than ever in the last few years with the dealth of my mother and final rejection of my brother after we tied up lose ends concerning her final affairs. I think the emotional devastation I've felt concerning that wouldn't have been any different at any age. I had dinner this week with a gf who is not in the program. I learned such a valuable lesson from her luv. I asked how her volunteering on a particular community committee was coming along. She has done this now for a number of years and plans to do it three more years before moving on to something else. What struck me is that she told me she realized that her only child who is now grown knew more people in her town even though she has lived there almost triple the time. My friend is older than you and I, she is in her early sixties. She said she thought it was time she got to know some people. Her husband is still living but she's showing me where I'm falling short concerning myself. I've taken good care of myself and found activities that are personally enriching such as hobbies, physical exercise, alanon.. but what have I done lately to grow out of my comfort zone?? My program tells me "you are not alone." Well, my activities are isolationist activities even when done in a group setting. I do them and leave aside from alanon where I connect with others. My friend is connecting and becoming known by other people in her town and making new friends. She's building on that and watching changes happen in her town that she has been a part of making happen. How cool is that! She has no background. She just saw a need and became a part of. I realized that this is where I have been lacking. I don't have to be overwhelmed by life on life's terms. I can define and redefine myself as often as a care to. I'm the handiwork of my high power not society. What new thing can I learn today? What do I have today that I can teach others if asked? Have I laughed or told a knock knock joke? Do I feel the god of my understanding walking next to me as I go through my day? Life is good, luv! We're growing more beautiful inside an out with every passing day because we've seen more and know a little more than yesterday. Funny about the dead guy's wife but I hope you'll trade your bike rides to the graveyard for biking group and breakfast afterward with them. Lots of possibilities with the living, luv and you've got lots of living to do. :) (((hugs))) TT
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I will be 51 in September. Coming up to 50 was really tough for me. I have worked really hard to be healthy and fit through fitness and with my hormones, thyroids, leaking gut, etc. I am in excellent health and have the metabolism of a 24 year old, am at my ideal weight and live very disciplined in my eating, exercise, etc. etc. etc. I was almost mad I was going to be 50. I should get some credit for all the hard work and get some time taken off. lol. But, once the day (50th birthday) came and went, it really wasn't that big of a deal, at least from the health side. I have worked hard and the number is just a number. I am still discouraged that my husband has not followed and done the same & is drinking & dying instead of living to his fullest. I work for a wellness doctor and he can be as healthy and fit as me, but he wants to be an old drunk. Oiy Vey. He actually did visit the doctor but never followed any of his protocol. He is 51 going on 90 and I am almost 51 going on 30. Very sad, for me.
You know how I got over it, from a number standpoint? I was saved at the age of 25, so I was 25 years old in the Lord, about the same as my metobolic age. LOL! So, I am 25 in my mind. :) And they say, "you are as young as you feel." I can wish this, that and the other but that is all a waste of time and just not productive.
We have some older patients (70, 80, 90) and I just love them. They are past this stuff and just love life, and themselves, but are still doing all they can to stay healthy and "young" as long as possible. They are past the kids, the mortgages, and enjoying grandchildren and great grandchildren, and not worrying about the stuff we "youngsters" worry about. I learn a lot from them.
You are wiser, and stronger and have so much to offer to a younger, crazy mixed up generation.
I turned 63 in April. I joined alanon seriously last June when I was 62. This has been the best year of my entire life and I still have lots of problems, including living with an A spouse. Alanon has taught me to like and respect myself so much more, it has given me tools to cope with my A and lots of other people, and between the board, my sponsor, and my F2F meeting, there are many people who care and are helping me along this journey. Am I sad I didn't join alanon 20 years ago? Yes. But I need to live in the present or else be miserable all the time. I'm done being miserable all the time. So hang in here with us and you will be able to embrace your life. My sponsor taught me "Alive in my life." I can now see many blessings, Lyne
I can't remember turning 50 and that was the time HP told me to "come home" to where my spirit was born. I love this post even when I can't remember a lot about "turning 50" I've turned a lot and arrived at daily gratitude and surrender and what better way and condition to now live my life. I've got little to fight about and who might if they live their life with such tools as "Easy Does It" and "Let go and let God" and "How important is it", the steps and the ESH from thousands of others in my Al-Anon World-wide Family along with importantly a Higher Power I wake up in conversation with. My life is a Miracle In Progress and MIP is a daily part of the journey. Because I no longer live in the past 50 was just another day in recovery and I'm sure a much better day than 37 when I first found AFG and the fellowship. Mahalo Akua...Thank you God for holding the light over the trail that led me here. (((((hugs)))))