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I think this is all right to discuss here. I don't know if this lady is an A or not (although I have my suspicions) but she sure behaves like one and dealing with her is making me as crazy as she is!!
Remember cat lady? Well she hasn't gone away in spite of my wishing and hoping.
As her pink letters in the mailbox became nastier and nastier, I went around there one day (about 2 months ago) (I was out for a walk with (x?) abf and dog) and I told her to stop leaving notes in my mailbox and to either talk to me face to face or call me (and I gave her my number). She wailed and yelled hysterically for a while about everything under the sun, pointing at abf and my dog and crying "Oh so you've brought around your gang to attack me". At this point I realised how truly unstable she is and decided that trying to reason or argue with her was as useful as arguing with a drunk so I made my get away and she actually followed me crying across the lawn trying to ask us to come in for a cup of tea. ???
Anyway I've got the cat into a routine where he is inside at night, always (with the extremely occasional escape) and I didn't hear from her for about a month. The other day I was down the street and as I walked past her I made the mistake of smiling and saying hello. It's just instinct to be nice to people and I do feel sorry for her, being old and lonely and crazy and all. Instantly she launched into a story about how my cat is always in her house (what?) and that he sprays everywhere. As she keeps her cats locked inside it seems really odd that he is getting inside her house every day; she must keep her cats in by magic if she can leave the doors and windows open. Then she tells me I should feed him before letting him out in the morning (I do) and she says "well he really loves this cheese and sardine cat food....." and then she realised what she'd said and explained "Oh I don't feed him or anything, I think he smells it from outside and that's why he comes in".....
I am inclined to think that if my cat visits her house during his outside time and she doesn't like it she could take action, like stamp her foot and chase him away? Rather than feeding him, cuddling him and inspecting him for boo-boos?
Then she told me a story about a cat that was living in 2 homes so the 2 ladies decided to share the cat and they all lived happily ever after. Then she started wailing and yelling again (in public, good grief) about the fact that he doesn't have a collar (I keep buying them and he keeps coming home without them) and I told her "OK, I've heard you, that's enough" and walked away and made a mental note to never, ever smile or say hello to her again.
That afternoon I went out to take out the rubbish and she was at my mailbox leaving a tin of "his favourite cat food" and his most recent collar and tag!!!! (I KNEW she had taken it off him). THIS IS LIKE FATAL ATTRACTION EXCEPT MICHAEL DOUGLAS IS MY CAT!!!
So by smiling and saying hi I started her insane process over again and the next morning the phone calls started. "I've seen your cat, he his face looks swollen, I've seen your cat, I think he has feline aids, I've just seen your cat, I haven't seen your cat for a while and I'm worried......"
Anyway I started a new routine whereby the cat isn't allowed out until he's stuffed with cat food and not until late morning and I've been only letting him out for a few hours in the middle of the day; he's getting used to it. We got him a stack of cat-toys- tunnels and climbers and such and he seems to like them plus there are now mice in the house which is awfully convenient from a "keep the cat at home" point of view. I stopped answering her calls or listening to her deranged messages and today she rings me while my daughter is throwing up (tummy bug) and I was too distracted to notice the inbound number and she keeps screaming and crying because my cat killed a bird, she says. This may or may not be true but any time I try to answer her she shrieks "I can't hear you! For God's sake I can't hear you!" and in the end I hung up because daughter's being sick was far more important. So she left a message that I shouldn't have listened to that started out friendly and escalated into hysteria about how she is going to ring the ranger (and tell him what? That I have a cat that won't stop visiting her property no matter how much she feeds him?) and then she finishes with "and don't even think about sending your bully-boy around here to threaten me again or I will call the police". I assume that she is referring to ABF who accompanied me the one time I visited her and he stood back in the street the entire time looking in the other direction. Or possibly she means the dog. Neither of them ever threatened her in any way. We were out for a walk when I visited her and I had told her that at the time so she has distorted the situation in a really disturbing way.
I do know that she has told everyone that will listen that I "took my gang around to attack her" and that I am an evil cat-hating monster with an evil aids-ridden monster cat. Which isn't nice because even though people know she is crazy, when people tell lies about you some of it sticks. My ex-husband told a lot of lies about me and it's a lot of the reason that I stopped wanting to be sociable or interract with anyone and have isolated myself so much; it's very hard to defend yourself against lies. I also find lies about me "sending my bully boy around to threaten her" and threats to call the police over things that have never happened disturbing and as much as I have tried to just let go and let HP today I'm all muscle-twitchy and jumpy (I seem to have a really physical response to stress lately) and I just so wish she would stop.
So after writing that I can a) chuckle because it's really freaking silly and b) feel sorry for her because she's old and lonely and quite deranged and has no idea what she actually wants other than attention and drama. But that doesn't give her the right to be constantly messing with my cat, sticking stuff in my mailbox, screaming at, crying at and threatening me, or spreading horrible lies about me to the rest of the neighbours, most of whom I have never even met.
I suppose the next step is just complete silence; don't respond in any way until she tires of me and goes looking for drama elsewhere? What would others do? I know how trivial it all seems but her hysteria affects me in a really negative way.
I have no experience to draw on here. If it were me, I'd keep my cat indoors although I know your cat fights to get out. Obviously, any contact with her only aggravates the situation. With my neighbor, I've learned to just let her be her, and keep away from her. I don't know what she is saying about me, but it doesn't matter to me. I can't fight lies if they are being spoken. I look to my HP to guide me if there is some negative outcome from my neighbor's penchant for gossip and dying brain. If your neighbor is like mine, others have had some difficult encounters with her and know that she is not quite right. Practicing Step 1 - knowing you are powerless over your neighbor's thoughts, feelings and behaviors and your life can become quickly unmanageable if you have any contact with her, Practicing Step 2 - in knowing there is a Power greater than the people involved in this circumstance who can restore your fear to faith, and then Practicing Step 3 - turning to that Power to guide you in this circumstance as to the best way to take care of yourself may be a big help in reducing any fears you might have in relationship to this gal?
The Serenity Prayer is also a big help. Its entirety in the Big Book is an excellent tool to research and to pray.
I have had dealings with people like this in the past and a friend recently had a family member go through a phase of mental illness similar to this.
There really isn't a whole lot you can do that you're not already doing. One thing I do suggest just to protect yourself in the event that the law ever does get involved is to keep an account of some of the insanity. You can save the crazy ranting messages, all the notes in the mailbox, and make notes of the things she leaves(the stolen collar, etc) and the other f2f encounters in a notebook. The purpose would not be to allow you to obsess over her behavior, but to put away to protect yourself in the future, just in case. One advantage I got was that writing down the craziness helps me let go of it. Craziness like this tends to make me question my own perceptions, but this way I don't have to think about it anymore as its recorded for future reference in case I ever need to know, or explain, what happened.
I am so sorry that you are having to deal with this, though I know from experience that it made me stronger in my trust of myself when I have learned how to deal with and get through the situation.
I agree with g2b that the Serenity Prayer is very helpful. Also, learning about mental illness and realizing that this woman is like a 70 yo 3 yo in her head helps. I always want others to be rational and reasonable people, but the reality is that many people are ill and have the mind of a child all or part of the time. It's easy for me to visualize this since I have a 4 yo daughter. LOL If I can picture the person ranting like a child, it's a little easier to be patient and not let it get to me.
I know it's not easy, but Al-Anon does help me deal with any sort of insanity that I come across anywhere in my life. You are not alone.
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((((Melly)))) you have such a way with humorous acceptance...lol. Your post reminds me of what it use to be like before Al-Anon and what I found out and what I do now using the program. I use to resist the insanity and meet it with my own in the past...matters got worse and out of hand and then I learned this thing called empathy or "feeling with" because I looked back on my past and could remember how I acted when I was seemingly alone and (self) confined to my own thoughts and craziness and fears (which sounds exactly like what she is going thru) and then I learned how to respond with acceptance often saying "God I know exactly how it is that you're feeling, I know for me how the fear of being alone made me nuts..." and more and just like in the meeting rooms the use of empathy could cause the other person to calm down. "Aha...secrets out...they know about the elephant in my living room...and it is an elephant only to me it looks like a cat". Empathy and compassion are huge tools in my recovery because they remove me from fighting against or with the other person and their condition to verifying that it exist and doesn't feel good. I now stand on their side of the fence and can be heard. When the friction and resistance is down and/or gone I have no enemy...I have another human being who is similar mostly with me. I know how to do crazy wide awake and it sounds like you understand clearly because you have that condition and awareness yourself. Using it is a tool. I don't have any resistance today of sharing my story with others even others who are not in the same program with me and still in the same situation. I can tell them what is crazy for me and have them be grateful they were not my victims and also that I learned of change and went with it. Its apart of the 12th step of this program of recovery we call Al-Anon. Just a part of "practicing the principles in ALL MY AFFAIRS" for me is being there for others who might need another message than the one that is stuck in their heads. Maybe you have more than one alcoholic in your life or more than one victim of alcoholism. Seems like you have another person that could use some of your ESH. The opposite of FEAR is LOVE. I found absolutely nothing pointless with your share here and I am grateful for how it opened doors and windows for me. Mahalo. ((((hugs))))
I love what Hotrod had to say and it gave me a chuckle along with your post. Crazy is everywhere and I have had to block numbers that have called me before to keep my serenity. I would not hesitate to distance from this poor sick lady and just let her be her dramatic self without taking it personally. Sending you love and support!
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Are there any laws in your country that prohibits using a mailbox except for mail?
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I Don't Envy your Situation AT ALL... I know from My Experience of Dealing with Such Peeps, I would Document all contact even if Trival, block her Number... just to keep your Side of the Fence Clean!I'd Be Sure to save her Crazy Messages and def Right down Visits to my Mailbox along with Notes, and items she left inside, peeps this crazy, I would wonder what else they are doing I'm Not Catchin...
I Agree with Hotrod as well... I have Enough Crazy in my Own World I Sure don't Need my Neighbors...lol.. But I Am alot like you in that I Also Use Humor to get me thru such Insanity... For without, I May be in her Shoes as well :) I Feel For Her I Really do, but sometimes its not my place to add More Drama & Insanity by accepting unacceptable behavior... :)
Please Take what ya Like & Leave the rest :)
Prayers that your Daughter is Feeling Better, and you have found some Peace in your day...
ahhh there must be a crazy cat lady in every neighborhood.....i have one on the street behind me who used to drive me to anger so often as she actually tried to steal my cat...feeding him all the time, even had her husband build him a little outdoor cathouse, like a miniature doghouse!!! i asked her repeatedly to please not feed him, do not take him inside her house, do not worry about his health, i take care of him, he sleeps on our bed, he is very comfy, etc etc.... every time i could not find him and he would not come when i called him i would go plodding and searching through the backyards and find him at her house.
after repeatedly asking nicely for her to just not feed my cat, one day i spoke rather harshly to her....i knew i hurt her feelings when she asked me how could she not feed him because she puts food out for all the ferel cats and she couldn't stop feeding the ferel ones. then i realized that she really had good intentions in her heart, and being irritable towards her was not going to change her. i also realized she did a bit too much acid in the 70's and had some fried neural connections. anyway....i made her a lil gift and took it to her...thanked her for being an angel to all the homeless cats. after that, she made it a point to bring mine back to me when he went over there......
......so i just decided to be glad that she didn't try to feed my husband.
Wow lucky Melly...you get to live with Bowie AND Douglas??? I think we need to see pictures of that....maybe it's time for the ostrich to stop by for a visit?
Hugs to you and your precious daughter...hope she's feeling better:))
haha we had one of those old nuttier than a fruitcake neighbors. She would put dog poop under peoples car door handles....cut up hoses at night, put crackers under my back tire. cut off all the amaranthus in my garden,steal everything the kids left out,called my kids bad things, she lit peoples houses on fire.....we moved....
I know here it is illegal to touch someones mailbox. check and see if it is there. No i would never talk to her, it only gives her ammunition to use. Her life and thrills are upsetting other people.
Believe me everyone knows she is nuts.
lol ok our neighbors across the street were our friends, we two families camped together. They had a cute little fox terrior, well he was fat, who came over to visit. we knew he well farted if he ate pork...lol so we would feed it to him and send him home! lol lol Ok that is my experience. Was tryingto think of what you could do, but really do nothing.
Myself I take an attitude of who cares. There is a crabby man who walks on our country road and harrasses all of us who have dogs, which is about all of us. I pretend he is not there. He was rude to me one time and that was that. ignore.
besides being nuts these people are probably very lonely. All that gal has is her cats. and again I would invite you to tell her to stay away or you will ask law enforcement to talk to her.,
sometimes it has to come to that.
I love it when you check in.
-- Edited by Debilyn on Monday 17th of March 2014 05:54:03 PM
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Well, cat-lady's last message stated that "if your cat comes around here again I will call the ranger". So Michael Douglas the cat has not been outside at all since then yet in my letter box today is a letter from the council stating that I have 7 days to register the cat or face legal action blah blah blah. So she had already called them before she left her weird hysterical message. I actually went to the council office recently to register the dog, and was going to do the cat too but ot was much cheaper to register a cat that is desexed and microchipped, so the lady suggested I wait until I could afford to do that (cheaper just before breeding season) and then register him. There was no immediate urgency. But now that cat lady has reported me officially I have 7 days to do all of this or be fined which will make it even longer before I can afford to pay for it all, and the law has just changed so that you cannot register a cat at all unless these things are done first!! So she's really screwed me over. Why? Because I didn't respond to her hysteria and that simply won't do!!
I tried being nice and she took it as a sign that she could carry on at me as much as she likes. I tried being stern and she got hysterical and told anyone who would listen that I "took around my gang to attack her". I tried ignoring her and she has gone out of her way to make everything much, much harder for me. I tried doing what she wanted and each time she just finds something new. Sound like our A's much??????
The cat yowls non stop because he wants out. He also has some weird gross sore on his face that keeps oozing and bleeding, I need to take him to the vet to have that looked at but wow, where's THAT money coming from now? It actually looks like someone has kicked him, I wonder if she is that crazy? Cat is miserable, I am fed up with the poor little bugger, ugh.
Anyway, she won't have anything to threaten me with once it's all done so that will be nice but heaven knows where I am going to find the money so fast and I wonder with a sinking feeling...is she trying to bully me into paying for these things so that she can then take him and lock him in her house? Because she's pretty obsessed with him and taking his collars off him isn't exactly rational behaviour. None of it is.
Ugh. In her mind she is the saviour of all cats. I wonder if she realises that he was a stray that my daughter brought home that I have loved and cared for and done the best I can with and right now I almost want to give him away, I'm so sick of the entire situation.
Deb, you aren't wrong about me attracting the crazies! I'm told it's because I don't spot the red flags and try to understand people and befriend them when they are clearly crazy or toxic. HP I'M NOT UP TO THAT STEP YET BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD LIFT THAT DEFECT FOR ME PLEASE, BEFORE I INVITE ANY MORE LUNATICS INTO MY LIFE!!!! Anyway Deb, remind me to tell you the story of when my husband left me and I advertised for a student border...and ended up with an old lady who turned out to be an old man and made life hell for 6 months until I moved out of my own home to escape him. That one is hilarious; my mum wants me to write a book about it lol.
Anyway thanks for letting me vent out this nonsense and for giving me some laughs over this ridiculous situation. The plus side I am seeing is that I haven't lost my cool over it once. Aside from some eye-rolling and head shaking I haven't let it get to me. 6 months ago I couldn't have done that, I would have been foaming at the mouth lol. Hugs all!!! (((everyone)))
-- Edited by Melly1248 on Tuesday 18th of March 2014 08:20:04 AM
What about the mailbox situation? Here it is a crime to open or touch others mailboxes, do you have such laws there? And here we have clinics that neuter strays for lower costs, could you look into that in your area? Yes this stuff follows us that seem to care too much. I have started being very detached with one of my neighbors who has teens over to drink with her on the weekends, I just can't let it get to me anymore. They are gonna do what they are gonna do, what am I gonna do? I am gonna ignore them and carry on with my busy life, because it doesn't have to affect me unless I choose to take it personally and they are not coming into my bubble. I can find my serenity and work my program I have plenty here to keep me out of my head and busy. Sending you love and support!
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I would imagine if I tried to speak to law enforcement about her putting her garbage in my mailbox they would tell me to go home and get a life to be honest. But hey, it's that same small-town laid back attitude that allowed the council-lady to advise me to hold off on registering the cat until desexing etc were in their "cheap" season. If I lived in a city I would have just been told 'register now or be fined". So I can't complain about that. I benefit plenty from living in a "laid back" town. It's just unfortunate that she's made an official complaint now and they have no choice but to enforce it.
And I find it likely that she makes an awful lot of complaints and reports so I imagine they are probably as sick of her as I already am. I've only lived here for 18 months; she's been her for over 40 years lol. I can't imagine I am the first evil cat owner she has taken a shine to over the years. Plus I think it's quite conceivable that if I reported her for mail-tampering she would become even more obsessed and start finding more things to report. I don't want this to continue, I just want her to go away.
I had to get these cat-expenses paid for anyway so it will be good to get it done but no way I can have it arranged in 7 days so fingers crossed the council will give me some more time; if they hit me with a fine I will have no hope. Yes there is a discount at the local animal welfare society; that'll be a day on the bus to take him there and another to go and get him and still almost $200, there go my days of study again AND my money to replace my broken glasses, lol POOR ME POOR ME POOR ME!!!
Can't do much but laugh at this stage. It's hard to believe the silly old nut-bag has caused so much irritation. And to those who have suggested compassion or reaching out to her...I have tried, believe me. That was my first instinct. It just spurred her on to greater heights.
As to the mailbox I have gotten an old recycling tub and will put it next to the mailbox; anything she deposits in there will go into the tub so that next time she arrives to deposit something she will see her previous gifts and love-letters floating unopened in the rainwater. It's not possible to block her calls (we don't have an option for that) but I might just change my number; only a handful of people have it anyway so it's not a big deal. That should all say it pretty clearly.
Anyway Deb's crazy neighbour story sounds a lot worse. At least mine seems to limit her deranged behaviour to being the local cat-police!!
I wonder what she will do when the cat is registered and de-nutted? And she receives no response from me?
I think I'm actually grateful for this stupid experience. It has been a great chance to practice not getting myself in a state over someone else's crazy-making.
Sorry you are going through this, Melly, but it is a funny story. Reminds me that drama can be used as a drug, too. She sounds lonely and crazy and addicted to drama. And cats. I have a cat. He's indoor only and always has been so it's not an issue. I'm glad of that! I don't think I'm addicted to cats, however, I wouldn't rule it out in my old age, the way things are going. Worse things could happen, I suppose. Like being the crazy neighbor in everyone's business.
Sounds like you've tried everything. I guess if I was in your situation I'd just laugh off the rest and try to focus on empathizing with her while keeping any actual interaction to the bare minimum. I've found it easier to empathize from a distance. So much so, that sometimes I'll forget what the interaction creates and go back for more. Get slapped again, then back empathizing from a distance, but only after the newly created anger has worked itself nasty little self out of my system.
My ex A also seemed to be addicted to drama. It was so odd to me. I felt sometimes like I was dating a teenage girl. And he was 41 at the time. As far as I know, as of 43, he was still addicted to drama (I had a brief interaction with him then, see above about forgetting/getting slapped in face, etc---I had the delusion that AA would create the perfect mate for me! I was lured by the rigorous honesty thing--I actually thought he would automatically be practicing that just by not drinking and going to AA meetings and working with a sponsor----hahahaha!) Anyway, he seemed more manic and drama-oriented after joining AA (he is also bipolar--and a psychotherapist believe it or not--which has really sullied my view of the entire profession, but that's another topic). He would be very dramatic about the fact that he was telling the truth but he was still lying--about stupid things. And who knows what else, luckily I didn't stick around to find out. I think lying is addictive, too. It gives the brain a shot adrenaline, or something--I read a little about it once. I like to thank my higher power that things like that don't 'get me off', and realize how lucky I am for that. Well, I'll admit to a little drama giving me a thrill, but a little goes a long way. :) And lying has only ever made me feel sick. Which is probably why I still get surprised when people lie to me. But not as much as I used to.
Well, I spoke to the ranger. He was happy to let it go as long as I plan to have the cat registered some time soon or else keep him indoors completely. I said is a month to get it all done OK and he said that would be dandy. He was awfully nice. He said she had made several complaints about me, he used the word 'serial complainer" and made a note of my version of events as she had indeed accused me of threatening her and being "extremely aggressive" and taking a bully around to threaten her (what BULLPOO). He gave me the definite impression that he also thinks she is mental and prone to story-telling and driving folks up the wall. He also pointed out that no-one else has complained about me and my aggressive behaviour or my evil cat which suggests to him that there's no issue. He said he would call her and tell her she may not touch my mailbox nor harass me and that he is satisfied that I am going to follow through on what we have agreed so she should have no need to bother me again.
lol. I can't imagine she will be very happy with any of that. And she's got me just peeved enough to enjoy thinking about her not being very happy just for a moment.
But now I think I've given quite enough energy to that ridiculous little saga. Michael Douglas is currently in the garage as I am sick of his yowling and I am going to get down to some study and feel grateful and happy to know that my phone and letter box should henceforth be bereft of cat-lady nonsense. I shall endeavour to make my heart and mind likewise.
-kd that's an interesting thought, that lying could be addictive. My ex husband is a chronic liar and I could never understand it, he would lie about RIDICULOUS things (utterly pointless stuff like where he was after work when I didn't care anyway or I would find a porn magazine (big deal) and he would tell me "his friend left it there" or "he found it in the recycling", what he spent his money on, just stupid stuff that I didn't care about anyway and when a lie was exposed he would tell another to explain it and another, all to cover up something absolutely trivial like he hung out at a mate's place after work or he ate lunch somewhere expensive, it was so weird and I have never understood it. But looking it at it as potentially addictive puts a whole different spin on it. I would like to know more about that as our daughter is prone to doing the same thing, not to excess but it's not a character trait I would like to see her develop if I can help her avoid it.
-- Edited by Melly1248 on Tuesday 18th of March 2014 11:08:48 PM
Melly, I think we're neighbors! I have a crazy cat neighbor very similar to yours. My kitty stayed on my front porch and minded her own business- and my neighbor trespassed to pet her, feed her fish with bones (I' find the tupperware with just fishbones and kitty was on a special diet because of inflammatory bowel disease), pick her up and bring her back to her property, etc. One night I went to bring my kitty in and she was gone. I called out for her and searched the neighborhood all night. I looked to see if she had crawled to die in the woods alone. My eyes were bloodshot and swollen from crying that night. Turns out my neighbor came to my house picked my cat up off the porch and brought her inside her home for the night. I was clearly home the whole time and this was my cat's and my routine for years.
My cat had escaped from my neighbor's home that morning and ran to me and she was shaking. We were both so upset.
I had to become extremely firm and tell my neighbors that they may not trespass on my property without my express consent and if I saw them on my property, that I would directly call the police. I'd like to say it ended there but it did not. I can't say hello or wave without thinking that I'm giving the neighbor permission to come and treat my property and belongings as she sees fit. So I no longer engage.
Last year, the neighbor removed my property markers- poles that ran over 3 ft deep into the ground- then she had the nerve to accuse me of removing my own property marker. It would cost me over $1800 to have the township redo the property line and mark it. Some folks only have one gear shift- annoying!