He'll learn Sis...keep making "No" a complete sentence and he will figure it out.  Oh and of course prayer...always prayer.   

I tell my son no and no and no and no. He is still doing what he's always done. We are powerless, powerless, powerless over their disease, their thoughts, their feelings and their behaviors. There are also no guarantees that what we do or don't do will make a difference with them and what they do or don't do. The only guarantee for us is progress as we work our program, that our HP will guide us if we ask for guidance and wisdom, and that our loved ones' HPs are with them. I've learned to make choices that honor who I am and trusting the outcome of those choices to my HP. If my son were stranded on an expressway, I might go to help him, too, Cathy. I just don't know what I'd do until the circumstance presents itself. I try to make choices one day and one circumstance at a time. Lots of prayers for you, your son and all the folks involved in his life.

Cathy :)

Big hugs and how totally frustrating .. this reminds me of what I was going through just literally this weekend last year. My STBAX called me the Tuesday after Presidents Day .. must have been a hell of a party is all I can say .. this was when he smashed his face and broke his hand. He wrecked his "new" used car that he owned for a grand total of 48 hours. In his crazy thinking he left the scene of the accident. Apparently concrete barriers jump out of no where. Literally, I couldn't believe it. Anyway, .. I had to laugh to myself out of sheer shock. It was a big head shaking moment. I asked him during a moment of his lucidity .. UGH .. why in the world did he call ME? He has a "girlfriend" according to a drunk angry text .. I did mention that fact and his response was .. I knew you would come. I knew in that moment I would not be able to go to his rescue again. I was sad for him, me .. us .. it was a moment of lightening bolt clarity for me to realize that he was a lot worse off than I realized in terms of sick thinking and how far down he's gone with the alcoholism. That was the beginning of me seeing exactly how bad he has been .. it was just so sad. It was the biggest blessing to get the order of protection for that reason to NOT have contact with him and let him do or not do without any interference from me.

Something I want to point out is CONGRADULATIONS .. Cathy .. you got MAD .. you didn't fold up, crawl into bed and cry .. you got MAD!! In my mind that is HUGE growth after traveling some of this journey with you. Of course staying mad is not a good idea .. however .. that is a HEALTHY response to a very INSANE situation! I hope you continue to take care of you .. lift your son to his HP and allow him to be where he is at .. I know it has to be terrifying my kids have each verbalized to me alone they are afraid for their dad and what he might do to himself .. they are ok with him .. they are VERY concerned about his behavior when he is confronted with the truth of situations .. literally he can't cope. I continue to tell them .. his choices are HIS choices and while none of us want anything awful to happen .. we have no power over what he does or doesn't do .. these are HIS issues.

Hugs my sister, S :)

{{{{{Cathy}}}}}

No it will take a week to get blood work back and I couldn't get my chest x-rays until Monday. My EKG was fine my heart is strong. I think my BP was a little high but they said it was good. Passed my breathing test ....meaning I can't breath so I was excepted into the program. This one is a 6 month program