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I am trying to focus on only myself. I am trying to find happiness and strength, like I always had before. If I didn't have a child, that would definitely mean moving out immediately, running long distance again, having friends over frequently, getting involved with the university et cetera. It would also mean finding someone else eventually. I can't do any of those things because my AH and I have a baby together.
My husband is a dry drunk; I've posted about him before. During the 4 days I'm home, he sleeps until noon unless I wake him around 10:30 and then he VERY crankily takes about an hour to get out of bed. The other days, he wakes when the baby wakes. He watches TV from the time our baby goes to bed until at 1 or 2 in the morning. He seems allergic to any constructive use of time. He won't open his mail or show it to me or deal with bills, car insurance, student loans, anything. He resents everything, won't do any chores, won't put the baby's crib together or let me do it (he lost the instructions and says only he knows how), is nerve-wrackingly moody, hates when I work from home, blames me for everything, yells at me if I leave a chair pushed out or a drawer a tiny bit open even if I've spent the morning cleaning, and he seems unable to handle anything. If I ask him nicely to do something, he thinks I am criticizing him. I'll say "honey can you get the door" and his reply will be "That's right, I'm the villain." He won't brush his teeth; he has 2 teeth extracted in the last 6 months and horrible halitosis and still won't take care of his teeth. He won't exercise. He is a naturally very good-looking man with upper-middle class who is aging unnaturally early and possibly developing health problems.
And he always, always wants to leave. It is his resounding refrain. He says he needs tons of time alone; his dearest constant wish is to go away, go to the yacht club, go outside and smoke, be in his room with the door closed. If we argue at all, if I say I want to talk, or if I respectfully tell him that something he did to me bothered me, then he will leave the house even if it's in the middle of the night and not come back until the next morning. When he does that, I can't lock the door because he leaves the key at home, but I don't know when he'll come home--so I lie in bed all night with the baby afraid someone might break in. We sleep in separate rooms. There has been very little intimacy for a couple years now, which is a stark contrast to how things were before. He stopped drinking 13 years ago; we met 9 years ago; he started behaving like a "dry drunk" about 2 years ago, after he lost a job.
The one thing is, he is very good with our son when he does watch him. It's clear he is in love with the baby. He's good to him. He respects our little man and tends to him well. He is providing all the childcare during the 3 days per week that I commute to work, plus a couple hours on my 2 work from home days. Sometimes just watches him sleep because he loves him so much.
Finances are tight. If I ask him to leave, there won't be anyone to come watch the baby during the work-week. Even if he agreed to come watch our son during a separation, he won't be able to work, because watching our baby would then become a full-time job, more than it is now even (because I'd want him here in the morning, not noon when he currently wakes up while I'm supposed to be working from home). And I confess, I'd feel overwhelmed in the evenings and lonely, even though he is currently very little help and a terrible companion most the time.
I don't want him around in a few years, when our son is old enough to notice that daddy always wants to separate himself from the family and go off alone as though we are some kind of chore. I want my son to have a fuller life than he could have with one parent basically lying in bed and ignoring all his obligations and future. I want to have financial stability, and I want to be able to help out my son in 20 years, not have to take care of a husband who can't care for himself and has no job or retirement (he is 40 now). I want to focus on my career and my future, not just put out fires. I want a companion, someone who will want to have at least some family time, some grown-up time, and who will be ok with the little normal things that happen in a day. All those things would be good for our son, but I feel that leaving my husband right now would be terrible for our son-- if I could even do it, financially. And it may be heartbreaking to my husband, whom I still do love and care about.
Ugh, how long, how long until I can either leave, or kick him out, or start doing some things to get my life back?
I feel for you because I have been there .. My partner and i of 13 years separated 2 years back .. There's a line in one of the alanon books that reads, "when my husband and I got married, we became one, we became Him" .. i was so enmeshed and my focus so about him, there wasn't much thought of me .. this is a thinking disease, not just a drinking disease .. our own thinking becomes distorted and it's the effect others and our own thinking has on us that were powerless over; our kids too. When my daughter's dad left, our daughter was 7. it was devastating for her. like most little girls, my daughter adores her dad .. good, bad, right, wrong, she will always love him .. she definitely felt the abandonment and most 10 year olds can't express what adults can, but secretly I believe his influence had a negative influence and i believe she unknowingly and innocently blamed me .. she's a child .. the hidden manipulation by him that i see today, due to the better understanding and the working of the steps .. began so young .. i see it now but couldn't see much when i was in it .. it was toxic .. i didn't realise the effect on my daughter i was having, but i myself was unknowingly teaching her by example to be helpless, have no voice, and i sent the message i wasn't trustable; i wasn't keeping her safe ..
in no way am i giving advice in this; only sharing my experience .. in alanon face to face meetings, it is recommended to try 6 meetings and not make any life changing decisions for a good 6 months; i -say from personal experience until after working through a 5th and a 6th step with a sponsor .. the reason for -this is because it's so toxic we don't always see the part we play and i would never want to make a decision that could have long term regrets .. i loved my family and wanted to be sure i had done everything .. ultimately in the end, i wasn't the one to leave .. but i can say today it worked as it was supposed to ..
as far as healing goes and on a deeper level, I had to start going to 3 meetings a week, find a sponsor, and do the work .. today? i never go back to where I was before the steps .. i sponsor others and am realising nothing in life happens just like that .. but again on the deeper level the question for me became what is it in Me that keeps me going back for more .. where's my voice .. i had none .. I see today the real resentment is when I don't speak up for me .. what I realise today though is speaking with the alcoholic/addicts .. isn't going to be what clears my thinking .. It made sense I needed to try to reason with the alc because that's where my pain was coming from (or so i thought) .. when i share in a meeting, i have my voice and i reason through with others who are sometimes in a much clearer frame of mind .. that is where my serenity and sanity come from ..
-such a painful place to be .. i worried constantly .. probably because i couldn't sit alone thinking about everything that felt so overwhelming .. worry obsessing attempting to control, etc .. -pretty much gave me something to do .. i 'felt like i was doing something .. until i began the work i was pretty much just -obsessing ..
i wish you so much luck in this .. keep sharing .. there is a 24 7 alanon chat room called stepchat.com .. there are sometimes others there 24 7 ready willing and able to talk .. there are no professionals in alanon, but so many experts because they have lived it and ultimately we can really only know what we experience ..
wishing you Much serenity !! (((( hang in there, no situation is -hopeless .. situations don't lose hope, people do .. alanon brings so much hope !!))))
when i say i wasn't keeping her safe; this wasn't physical but mentally and emotionally ? i was surviving myself .. have to be gentle with myself sometimes though .. we're good people; if we could do better we all would .. without a certain sense of pain .. our kids will never have a need for any type of higher power either .. there is good that comes out of everything ..
[Ugh, how long, how long until I can either leave, or kick him out, or start doing some things to get my life back? ]
Only you can answer those questions. I hope you can make it to some face to face meetings and find some al-anon literature to read. The book "Getting Them Sober" by Toby Rice Drews, think it could help even with someone dry with no program. "Codependent No More" by Melody Beattie was helpful for me as well. I am glad you found us and keep coming back.
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" Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."
"Serenity is when your body and mind are in the same place."
I can't do any of those things because my AH and I have a baby together.
I know this is hard and in no way am I minimizing your circumstances and if I were to sit in front of you and ask you "why not?" there would be all kinds of "reasons" to support the reasons you "can't"..as you have in your post. And this is a great place to post what all of those reasons so you can re read and maybe get insights for yourself. You can have a different life and the time frame is between you and your higher power. What it is essential is the recovery work to be done in between so you can begin to see why you really believe you can't or won't choose a different life or a different way of being. One hard question I have for you is, do you have feel any resentment towards your little one for keeping you stuck? You don't need to answer it here, just poke at that one for a bit. Know that, if you do, it is so normal, no shame in it...it is just a feeling and not fact. Your love certainly overrides those mini feelings of resentments. I used to feel victimized by my circumstances until I discovered that I was not. Find meetings and follow the suggestions already posted here and work your heine off to recover from your co dependency Take good care!
I can remember wishing I was some place else doing something else with someone else. I lived with an abusive spouse and although I adored my kids, I didn't adore being slammed in multiple ways by a disease that I thought was my spouse. The only thing I thought I was allowed to do was to go to work - something I truly didn't want to do because I wanted to be home with my kids - without interference on the part of my x. It took me awhile to realize that I was allowing myself to be isolated by my disease and by his. I didn't move, but I did move him out. He didn't want to be married anyway. He didn't want the responsibility associated with being a parent. He could play with my son but he wasn't parenting my son. In many ways, my x was a kid himself and I was allowing that "kid" to determine what I would do and not do with myself and with my life. When I made changes I knew I had to make if I wanted to live, I also stopped letting my disease and his isolate me from living the life I could live by doing the things I loved to do. It took awhile for me to get it - that I didn't have to let my x's disease or mine keep me down or away from doing what my heart was aching to do. Once I did "get it," each new change led to yet another change and another. I was scared for awhile because everything was so very new to me and I had become very new to me. In spite of the fear, I was able to support myself and my kids and still do what I loved to do as was reasonable for me. I stopped piling cans by the doors at night, afraid somebody would break in or sleeping with a hammer each new change I made. As my self-esteem grew, so did my gratitude and my conscious contact with the God of my understanding.
I left A husband#1 when our baby was 6 months old. After he tried to put my head through the floor, and then blocked my car in so I couldn't leave, I waited for him to pass out, then packed up 2 suitcases with mine & the baby's things and drove my car right through the swing set in the backyard to get out of there, then moved to another state to start over.
I left A husband #2 when I was 7 months pregnant. What a nightmare. During that time I was so numb that I wasn't afraid of burglers coming in during the night, because I figured the odds were that they would give me a break and be less dangerous to a pregnant woman than my husband was. The court took away his parental rights before the baby was even born.
I did what I thought was best for my children. It's scary and it's not easy to be alone and to be solely responsible for your children, but if you decide that it is the right decision for your life and theirs, then you can figure out ways to make it work.
I'm too new here to attempt to offer advise, but just wanted to share that you can do it by yourself if you want to.
Some very thought-provoking words here. PP in particular, I think you might have hit the nail on the head when you point out that I could have my own reasons for being unable or unwilling to choose a different life. In some vague way I know that that is true. Unless I figure out how to break free from those reasons, my life largely in the hands of my husband, not my own.
I'll seek out meetings-- some of them are so inconvenient for me, but then, so is this whole lifestyle, so I'll do what I have to. There's a nearer-by meeting that just says "serenity"-- is that one helpful for a newbie like me?
I'm also seeking out a counselor who works with alcoholic families, if I can find one. I'll be getting my own counseling with that person, whether or not my husband and I find a marriage counselor who can help. We currently have a marriage counselor who does not seem to have any inkling of the role alcohol or dependency plays in our marriage. He has very much brushed aside the fact that my husband is an alcoholic (recovering or not), and has not mentioned anything to me about co-dependency. He has given us several general exercises that might work for some couples, but have been a disaster for us. (Most of them involve talking to each other in non-threatening ways, to get each other to change their behaviors or else accept the behaviors they wanted the other person to change.) I'm thinking that we need a marriage counselor who works with alcohol-affected families.
I just can't get enough reassurance that my efforts are somehow meaningful. I can't stand the idea of doing something and having the time be wasted, again. Thanks those of you who let me know that you made efforts and saw changes in your lives.
MeTwo2, just re-read your post-- thank you!! for stating that you thought you had to reason with the alcoholic because you thought that that was where your pain was coming from. And for reassuring me that I might not be able to see my part in the toxic situation, until I've done some work.
To clarify something, I am sure that AH has worked the AA steps before. Before I met him, he stopped drinking. He not only attended AA daily but he really took it to heart and did the work. By the time I met him (and for the next 5 years or so), he was the healthy person that he had worked on so much in AA. He was a good man to be with. I do still want that person back. He was my companion. I want to at least know whether he can get better again. If it's possible, then I'll figure out for myself how long I am willing to wait. How much of an unknown it is and all that.
I can also see him trying to do little things-- maybe to get better? For instance, today he dealt with a complex billing matter for us AND he applied for a job. He first arranged day care with his mother. Could he work the steps without going back to AA every day? (He is going once a week, but it's only for the purpose of taking a friend who has newly stopped drinking.)
Here I am focusing on him again, maybe. But my first choice would be to avoid a divorce if it's possible to have a healthy family within a few years. I also want to avoid being a chump, waiting for something that is too unlikely to happen, and subject my baby to that.
Breakingfree: I am just over halfway done with "Getting them Sober." Great suggestion. I'll pick up "Codependent No More."
We can make changes without divorcing, lmyya, that helps us break the isolation we are experiencing. Al-Anon meetings are a big step towards freedom and not allowing the disease control of our comings and our goings if that is your experience?