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Codependence and Detachment for a Newbie


I am a relatively new member of alanon (I've been to maybe 5 meetings in the last ten days), but I already see the many ways in which it can benefit my life and my relationships.  While my mother is not an alcoholic (nor is she an ACOA), I feel like she could really benefit from this program as well.  I say that in part because I am a recovering alcoholic with 3.5 years sobriety in AA but also because she has a seemingly unquenchable need to try and control virtually every outcome in my life.  Mind you I am a nearly 40 year old man, yet my mother feels compelled to give me unsolicited advice on everything from how to follow through with job contacts and references in my current career change, how I should handle my own troubled marriage (I am married to an ACOA who was previously very involved in alanon for many years), what I should wear to a job interview, and whether or not I look more employable with or without a beard (she regularly hints that she doesn't like my beard)...the list goes on and on.  It's actually kind of comical when I see it all here in writing. smile 

With some recovery under my belt and some new experience in this fellowship, I have found myself unwilling to engage in or perpetuate discussion where she does this via email (i.e. I can easily choose just not to respond to the email entirely or only respond to parts I feel are necessary), but I have more difficulty doing it when we are speaking on the phone or in person.  It's as though I can manage my own reaction (or lack thereof) for a little while, but eventually I feel the need to say something like "It frustrates me when you tell me how to handle a situation.  I feel like you don't think I can make decisions on my own."  Her reaction to this has been to shut down in a way and to pause somewhat incredulously.  She will either end the conversation entirely (as she did an hour or so ago when we spoke on the phone) or switch the topic to something completely inane and innocuous. 

This business of setting boundaries is quite new to me, and I know it is something she isn't accustomed to either.  I can see that in her reaction clearly.  She's used to telling me what to think/feel/do etc. because she thinks she's the ultimate authority on everything.  Yet when I set these boundaries - even though I know intellectually they are healthy - I end up feeling guilty or like I've done something wrong.  I know it's likely because this new way of standing up for myself feels odd, but does this sick sense of guilt ever go away?  I'm feeling very frustrated and angry, but I feel like I'm learning how handle these emotions in a healthy way instead of bottling them up as resentments. 



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Hello, Kent: Congratulations on 3.5 years in sobriety. Welcome to Al-Anon, too, and to MIP. I can say that as a mother, although I might feel uncomfortable with boundary setting on the part of my adult children, after I've had time to think about what is said and listen to myself, I am grateful that my grown kids care enough about a relationship to me that they are willing to use I talk when letting me know what is going on in them. It is challenging, but it is also healthy and helpful. As a recovering person in Al-Anon, I also welcome this in all my healthy relationships and do it myself. I, like you, am sometimes uncomfortable with the reaction/response of the other person, but I also know that how they react/respond is all about them - not about me. My job is to be true to myself, say what I mean, mean what I say without malice or meanness. I forget that I am powerless over other people's thoughts, feelings and behaviors when I am honest and establishing boundaries that are healthy for me, but my sponsor and the fellowship remind me.


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Welcome Kent Yes congratulations on your sobriety.

I'm a mother of a active A and have been working this last year to let go of my almost 40 year son. He took complete control of his life over the last 5 years and he let it happen. I told him everything to do and how to do it. I enabled him to death...paid for everything. Now I'm learning to stop my madness. My son is now not doing so good and will soon be at what I think his bottom.

It would be good for you and your mom if she could check out Al-anon because she could learn so much. But you going will well you with healthy boundaries that she might understand in the coming weeks.

All we can do is love them, set good boundaries, Let go Let God take over.

Keep coming back because your not alone here and the ESH is great.



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Dear Kent

Setting Boundaries and learning how to , say what I mean  and mean what I say  without saying it mean is a wonderful tool that alanon gave me . 

 I finally accepted that it was my  responsibility to own my choices in my  life.  In doing that doing I had no reason to feel guilty  

If someone is intruding on that responsibility, it was my responsibility to tell them so with kindness.  Being able to speak my truth , by focusing on myself also helped me to know that it was my responsibility to take care of myself and that I could not give that "Job to anyone else".

Working the Steps, with a sponsor will lift the unnecessary guilt that you are  feeling

Keep showing up for yourself



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3.5 years???? waaaaaay to go, KENT!!!!!   SO happy to see an alcoholic in recovery, working their program and taking back their life....

 

as to mom???  if it were me I would just lovingly thank her for her share and get off the phone as fast as possible..."oh, gee, mom, someone is at the door"   "gee mom, gotta run, wife needs me to help her"    moms mean well, but can be a pain in the butt,  but its easy to wiggle away since u dn't live w/her......but hang in there, and glad u r working your program....



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Hi Kent, and welcome... smile

the cell-phone saved my relationship with my daughter... texting when things were very tense just got under her emotional radar- anger... and set up more fruitful communications...

I navigate around what I call Akronisms... AA, Coda, ACoA etc, etc... and the multitude of aphorisms we chuck about... I am always wary of 'the paralysis of analysis'...

...getting to the nub of the current issue is the key- and you seem to have managed that...

...mostly here, what I say to people depends on well I know them... so this is by way of introduction- part of the ritual of encounter... aww Here in Alanon we try our best to demonstrate healthy boundaries, and emotions... we will never be perfect, but we try... smile

take care, my friend...

DavidG.



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Hi Kent,

I could be your Mother! well not technically but the way you describe her could be me, or me before Alanon. My son is 20, a possible alcoholic and my ex husband is an alcoholic. All I can say is it drove me crazy and part of the crazyness is the need to control. Its fear based, fear that bad things are just going to happen and I know I desperately tried to stop them through obsession and control. Living with an alcoholic has such an impact on the family and your Mother sounds like she is badly affected. Alanon would be so good for her. However, you are powerless. Boundaries would be good for  her as well as you especially if they are done in a loving way. Gently assuring her that you are taking care of various parts of your life while at the same time following through with all that you say should help. It may be useful to search this forum and read some of the Mothers posts, just to help you with compassion and get an idea of what it is like being the Mother of an alcoholic. Take care.x



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