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Hi! Welcome to MIP. We have on-line meetings every day of the week, twice a day. The schedule appears at the top of the board. You can access the room via the chatroom.
Letting go can also refer to detachment. Our Al-Anon World Service Office can also be accessed on-line and they have downloadable print-outs that can help you understand detachment, ways to help yourself, ways to understand the disease. My favorite is "The Merry-Go-Round Named Denial" (or something on that order). When you go to the meeting, you will be given a newcomer's packet that contains many of the things that I've mentioned, too. Meetings will be the biggest help to you because you will meet others face to face that are struggling with some of the same issues you are.
When I finally could accept that my son was both an addict and an alcoholic and nothing I did or said would change that, some of the only relief (he was living with me for awhile) I could gain was sitting in those meetings for an hour. I didn't have to speak. I could just listen. To me it was magical, for lack of a better word, to be there.
We can't give you advice on what and what not to do in relationship to your son. Those are decisions we make for ourselves as we work the program. But, we can give you support and encouragement and share with you some of our own experiences. Realizing you need help for you is a big step towards a new life for you whether or not your son continues to use. Please keep coming back. Please join us in on-line meetings. Please go to Al-Anon face to face meetings, too. They will make a profound difference in your life.
-- Edited by grateful2be on Thursday 21st of November 2013 10:31:42 PM
I have been visiting this forum on and off for the last several months. Don't really feel qualified to participate since I am not actively involved in alanon at this time. But found many of the posts relevant to my situation and found that this site seems very safe. My son is an addict and has been for several years. I am finally to a point (my husband has much better boundaries than I do) that I realize I need to let go. Stop trying to make sure he has a roof over his head and food to eat, a cell phone so he can keep in touch. I'm to the point of being "done". I love my son, he is in my heart. He gives me these glimpses of who and what he could be if he was healthy. But of course those are brief and then the addict grabs hold of his soul and reveals what he is at this time.
This isn't new or earth shattering for me, but I'm simply worn out. My question is, what does "letting go" really mean? Does it mean "no contact"? Does it mean "I'll talk to you, but give you no money"? Does it mean "I simply will not be drawn into the drama anymore" (but some kinds of support, food, shelter remain)? Perhaps it's different for each person and situation?
I have found an alanon meeting that is near my home and I plan to try it out, but can't get to it for a couple of weeks due to the holiday. (why does this have to happen right in the middle of the holidays?) And I know that one meeting does not make a recovery, but tonight as I try to sort my thoughts out on how to proceed, some input would be gratefully appreciated.
Welcome to MIP and thanks for sharing. The term " Letting Go ",as you said really means different things to different people. In essence it means to let go of the idea that you can change the addict or stop the addiction. Let go of trying to control the situation and then turn the energy and attention on to yourself where you can affect a change and rediscover hope.
If you cannot attend a face to face alanon meeting I suggest that you try our on line meetings. Here is the link
http://meetinginfo.activeboard.com/
Being powerless over this disease does not mean we are helpless. A good guideline is that we suggest that you do not do for the addict what they can and should do for themselves.
for me letting go is dropping the rock. I will not carry around the pain anymore, the useless worrying and wondering. I honestly trust my HP to watch over my loved one.
hugs, keep coming!!!! love,debilyn
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Thank you for your kindness. I understand that this is not an advise forum as much as a support forum. Still, one needs to take steps towards stopping the craziness and this is one of my baby steps. My journey continues :)
I finally after many years let go and let God. I also have to detach with love. I had to quit all enabling, helping and even keeping my distance from my son. I set boundaries for me so I wouldn't have to see my son destroying his life. I love him dearly and will support recovery 100% but I will not stand by watching him kill himself.
Keeping coming back because you are not alone.....
((( hugs )))
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Hello and welcome , to me Letting go means accepting who they are , letting go of my expectations and not allowing their behavior run my life. Detaching with love takes time and a lot of practice , we are enablers and until we stop doing for them what they should and could be doing for themselves nothing will change . As an enabler I believed the lies , I lied for them I made excuses for their crappy behavior and accepted unexceptable behavior for yrs , when I stopped doing those things we give the alcoholic the dignity to live their lives the way they choose and it gives them an opportunity to grow up giving me time get my life back on track and take care of my own needs . I hope you find a meeting for yourself you will find people there who have been where your at and will share their own experiences with you. There is always hope don't give up . Louise
Im sorry you are going through this. I am also on a similar path with my son. I really like your question and the answers. I have let go of so much and am also struggling with this. I have let go of trying to fix and control. I have accepted I am powerless over him and his choices. I have let go of many expectations ofhim. He may never have the life iI wanted for him. I struggle with this one but im trying to let go of the little boy that he was because he's gone. Im dealing with a totally different person now. I am taking control of my own life now. I am guarding parts of my life from him. Like my finances. My feelings and emotions. My health. My home and other family members because he has the potential and has destroyed it through his behaviour and choices. This is what I must do if im to have a life. It's only through alanon that I have learned that I am entitled to a life and in fact I am wrong not to peruse my own happiness. Such a revelation to me. In some ways letting go is like a death. I know I have grieved for the son of my dreams. I am more open to unconditional love now. So letting go of a fantasy accepting the reality hasbeen a process and iI've still got much to learn.
I have set boundaries that protect me like not allowed in house if drunk. No money or anything of value really. No arguments or abuse. I don't gI've advice or try to direct him. I don't bail him out of any financial messes anymore. I dont lie for him or manipulate situations. I have let him break all these so im a work in progress but im trying.x
I am certainly a work in progress. And thank you all for your input, very enlightening and comforting coming from others who have been thru the same/similar experiences. The hardest thing for me right now is the sadness. As I work on figuring out this letting go and detaching with love, I'm so sad, but then I was sad before too. Will keep moving forward and learning with alanon.
I will share my story.. I have a 21 year old son he was in rehab for 5 1/2 months in another state. Well 28 days being at home .. My son has relapsed. When he came home he was plugged into his program and I truly believed he came home to bold. Well it's been two weeks today that I found my son over dosed on heroin in his bathroom in our rental. That demon is no joke. I truly felt more pain for him and me. Because he had so much sobriety in him and all the tools and the right people to reach out to. But he went back out and that was a choice he made. It kills me to see my son where he is now AGAIN.. I did it all that he and I felt that he needed to get on track. Well today my son and I don't have a relationship. I can honestly say I do not trust nor will be able to believe anything he says. My son has pushed me out of his life as of right now. Well he has asked me to not make contact with him to allow him to figure his life out on his own. I love my son as I know you do too. But I have to respect what he has asked. I pray I never find nor hear my son is gone due to his choices. But I know now I can not control him or anything he does. I have now started the process of evicting my son. I love him but I have to let him go. I give this all to god and pray. I pray more for me today for strength and ask god to guide his child that he blessed me with. I have to let go and let god. Many prayers being sent your way .. I know as mothers we love our gulden so much we would do anything. But sometimes we do more damage then good. I too am living this horrific nightmare. You are not alone. Please keep sharing. This forum has been helping me along with meetings and counseling. My sons disease sent me to a mental hospital because of depression. My health got so bad that at 40 the doctors found my potassium so low it could have led to a heart attack. Well I can not allow his disease to take me to my grave. I have a daughter to live for and my husband needs me too. God bless.
Our addict children tear our hearts out. Gaby I am so sad to hear your story. Cathyinez, el-cee I hope to be as balanced as you are someday.
A bit more of my story. We asked our son to leave the house in February of 2012. At that time he had been abusing pain pills and xanax, (but sometimes smoking heroin among other things) and I had come home from work to find him passed out, again. We had talked to him before, multiple times that if he continued to abuse these drugs he would have to leave the house. I was just getting ready to start treatment for rectal cancer (basically spent most of last year doing chemo & radiation) and for once it had become abundantly clear to me that I HAD to take care of myself. Prior to this he had spent multiple times in various programs and rehabs over the previous 9 years. So we go thru the painful process of booting him out of the house and telling him the only way we would help was if he would go to sober living. Long story short, after about 2 months bouncing around, he ended up in a 90 day rehab (bare bones, very real & in your face kind of place) he did great, he always does well with lots of structure. We, once again, believed that he was on track. He moved into sober living and the downhill spiral started about 30 days later. All he has wanted to do is move home, and actually manipulated his way in for a couple of weeks while he was suppose to be looking for another sober living home. Then he totaled his sister's car while driving under the influence and he has been out of the house since.
He actually cleaned up his act for a couple of months earlier this year, but that was short lived. And this is where my story is and I wonder when the nightmare will stop, if ever. Unlike your children, he wants to come home. He has used every trick in the book to try and get back under our roof. He needs our love and support, he keeps getting worse the longer he is "out there", the places he stays are dirty, the people he stays with steal his stuff, on and on and on. The thing most obvious to us, he is the one who is always asked to leave. We have made sure he has roof over his head and food and a cell phone. He has been working a couple of weeks each month and makes enough to help defray some of the expenses. But then he gets messed up and somehow the money gets lost or stolen, etc. Why do I continue to help himthats why I'm here to address these issues and get myself to a better, more balanced place.
Today he called and said $1100 was stolen from his back pack. He was suppose to be working today, why would any reasonable person leave that much money anywhere, let alone in a house where people allegedly steal from you? How did he come upon that much money? He has only worked 3 days this month, conclusion, he was selling drugsand he tried to tell me he had had a good payday. Or it was just another attempt at demonstrating how bad the place he lives is? I was already unhappy with him for some other things that happened earlier this week. It is just unending drama and I am done. He refuses to attend AA or NA meetings (he says they don't help him), find a sponsor, do anything to help himself, his solution is to move back home. I texted him that I loved him but I could no longer handle the physical and emotional toll this was taking on me and that I wanted no contact. He actually responded with, "When you are ready, contact me, goodnight." And while I know this "no contact" is temporary, I know it is necessary to protect myself until I figure some of this stuff out.
While this is all pretty unpleasant, a weight lifted from my shoulders when I decided on the no contact. Nothing is fixed, the holidays are bearing down, but I'm hoping the tools I will be learning thru alanon will help me get to some sort of balanced place where I can sleep at night and take better care of myself. I needed to vent, thanks for listening.
Hugs to you, too. One of the most difficult things for me in relationship to my now 38 year old son were the memories that would keep crowding back - seeing him as a dependent infant, a toddler dressed in his little yellow sleeper, a 5 year old fighting going to school, a 9 year old being taunted by a neighbor woman and on and on the memories came. Truly letting go of him as a child several years ago came when one of my home group members was sitting with me and our group following a meeting as I cried out my fears. He asked one question, "How old is your son?" That question woke me up to the fact that this man was no longer "my baby, my toddler, my young son, my teen" or even my responsibility. I was able to start making changes then although it wasn't easy. Not just because of his age, but because I was seeing that all the help I had offered him and others had stuck their necks out to offer, too, had resulted in nothing more than him doing what he'd been doing. I didn't want to keep doing what I'd been doing. I was seeing him as dependent on me, but truth was his disease was using me. Not only was it killing him, it was killing me. It's been a long road back to being a woman who did her best by her son. I'd made mistakes - as all parents do - but I was not responsible for the kind of life he was living. He was. I could only be responsible for the one I was living. And at that time, it was a very unhappy one.
It doesn't matter when we quit enabling as much as it matters that we stop enabling and stick to making our own lives happier, saner and safer. We can love them. We can accept them for who they are. We can pray for them. What we don't need to do is die for them or with them if they want to continue to use. And we'll know they want to continue to use by what they do and not what they say. This may sound hardhearted on my part, but it isn't. It's just knowing I have absolutely no power over my son and his addictions and I have quit trying to do the impossible. It sounds like you've reached that conclusion, too?
-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 24th of November 2013 05:56:14 PM
-- Edited by grateful2be on Sunday 24th of November 2013 05:57:14 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your story too. There disease will take a toll on us , physically , mentally and emotionally. Your son too has some sobriety tools that he too can use. At this time our children choose another path of self dystruction. We truly have no control of there actions. You sound like you have allowed more then he deserved as I did too. I always took my sons word and believed he is good now. Well I again was fooled, but even though this kills me this disease is about him. I can chose to live in his disease or allow him to hit his rock bottom and what that bottom maybe I have no control.. I can cry and live in fear and worry everyday as I do. But it took a huge toll on my mentally and physically. As long as that drug or alcohol has a hold of our children they are truly not caring about no one but them selfs. I have never allowed my son hit his bottom. I bailed him out of jail, 4 rehabs, gave him money, cell phone a car and a roof over his head all so he can say "F you mom I'll call you when I am ready" well I hurt and even after that said I still reach out and just ask I pray your ok today. Well my son at this time cares about no one but himself. Until he moves out of my rental which is 7 houses down from me. I stay at my in laws house with my daughter. I need to keep that distance from him. One day and I pray soon they will get tired of being tired. Please do not give him that comfort of coming home it will only make things harder for you and in you. I did it 3 times and this time right after rehab and moving him down the street from me I thought it would be different. Well again he had me so fooled. I got on my knees and pray for strength and to except the things I can not change. I have faith in our higher power and I will continue to have hope for my son. For the moment I want to have my peace. And I am truly work in progress. When this will all end we will never know for them but we do not have to continue living in there chaos. Just know you are not alone.
We as parents go through so much pain every single day worrying about our children, but we continue to enable their behavior. I finally realized no matter what I did it wasn't going to help him get better.
I will let my son feel the true pain of his choices. I will not soften the blow of the reality of what is happening here. I will take care of me because I will not be any good to anyone if I'm dead.
One thing I realized was my enabling him was keeping him comfortable in his disease. So I think I was killing him slowly to be honest. I will not be part of it anymore.
I love him...he knows this...he has a brain so he can choose how he wants to live his life now. If he decides to go into recovery for good...I will be 100 percent in support with love and kindness.
We are not alone..... ((( hugs ))))
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I am guilty of the enabling, and I know better. Shame on me. I remember what one of the directors of a rehab my son went to (2 rehabs ago), she was a mom also, her son had been an addict. She said in regards to enabling by parents, "we can love our children to death". I needed to remember that today, tomorrow and yesterday. In trying to help him fulfill his obligations to the courts to minimize the damage to his record (2 different counties, a DUI and a trespassing and a pending Under the Influence of a controled substance) I got caught back up in the co-dependent/enabling behavior. I think that has contributed to my stress levels, knowing that I was doing something to "help", when in reality (I knew) it was just allowing him to be "comfortable in his disease" (Cathyinaz thank you for the phrase). I'm not trying to punish him with "no contact", I'm trying to get myself put back together and get healthy, one, to protect myself & take my life back and two, be able to be of support to him, if and when he decides to get serious about his sobriety and recovery. (((hugs))) to all the long suffering parents of addict/alcoholics.
grateful2be, you do not sound hardhearted. Just very real about how awful this disease is and what we need to be able to do to keep it from destroying us as well.
And so strange, I got a text (the whole contact thing is not holding very well) from him this am lamenting how screwed up his life is, and how all the help that had been offered in the past was just wasted, how he's burned every bridge, etc. Now that he wants help, no one is offering him any, (kind of sounded like parts of your post) he also seems to have the end of the month in mind as to when he will "leave". Not sure where he thinks he will go, but not today, not tomorrow, but the end of the month (feels kind of manipulative, but some of it actually seemed/sounded heartfelt). But I simply asked him "What are you doing to get yourself some help?" and "you know I love you, but the only way I can help right now is by stepping back and seeing what you do to help yourself". He responded with "Im trying to find some help for myself", nothing else after that.
Maybe I'm the one who has become hard hearted and jaded. My husband pointed out to me (last year), everytime our son was on the verge of being homeless, he agreed to rehab, he agreed to sober living, etc. Wondering if that's what the end of the month is about? He is looking for help so he can keep a roof over his head. I'm ok with stepping back and seeing where things go. This feels much better than being sucked into the drama he is creating, again.
When I feel and say to myself Let Go and Let God I get such a wonderful feeling that my HP is really hearing me. It takes such a weight off of my shoulders that I am not alone.
In just the past day or so, I posted a poem, not written by me, but by someone.. To Let Go... its here on the board.. just look down it some. It's a very good standard or guideline for what letting go means, and how its applied. Take a peek at it. I too am a parent of a addict son... I know how hard it can be to learn the value of letting go.. when you want to hold on. We don't do it perfectly, but with time and little reminders like this poem, we get better and more effective at it.