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This may be an unethical, non Al anon share…


 I dont know. I guess I will find out. If it helps one person, great. smile

My best friend asked me today, if Tom and I ever split up would I ever date another A? I said NO WAY - NO HOW.  So she asked me: what if this new person didnt tell you and you didnt know until I was already involved, living with him and in love?  (This is what happened with me ABF as most of you know, he never told me he had a problem until he slipped I found out in a very painful way(s)).  Anyway - She asked, what if that happens again?  Would you stay? I said... Heck no!! 

If I am in a position where I am out there looking again, and I know upfront? No way, if the cunning (A) tricks me again and the same situation happens to me (which I highly doubt, but ya never know it happened once), if it did, would I stay?  NO, as SOON as I found out I would be gone! In love or not, this is a onetime dilly for me.  If I cannot make this work or be able to deal with it, I would never give it a shot with anyone else that was sick. Heck, I wouldnt have the energy.

I am stating this, not to put anyone down that stays with an A (I do, and for today, I love my A).  Nor am I putting down an alcoholic (I have alcoholics in my family, a friend of mine, and my lover) so I would never put one down.

I say this, because have read so so so many posts (and some private PMs I have received) that ask the question should I continue? These are foro people that have only known them (the A) for a short period of time and they ask what they should do..  This s hard stuff people and if you can avoid it, my advice is to do so. 

We dont all get that choice early on like you do. IF you KNOW they are sick, not dealing with their sobriety or very active and you have the option before you get too close or fall in loveplease think long and hard.  Learn all you can and read all you can on here before you get in deeper.  

Take what you want and leave the rest. Right J



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Aloha D and I get the picture you are painting cause it is also part of mine...the early picture with other parts to be including to keep it whole.  One of the other parts doesn't even include the alcoholic or an alcoholic; it only includes me, my part in it.  In early program some of the members use to say "Where ever you go....there you are" and while I didn't fully understand at the time and only smiled because it sounded cute with addictional practice time of the program and nose to nose work with my sponsorship I did fully come to understand that part of my picture which was me.  It had nothing to do with the alcoholics in my life (many) and my baseless reactions to the cunning, powerful and baffling disease.   I think that this is a great Al-Anon share.  If we don't make the necessary changes in our lifes we're bound to duplicate them.   ((((hugs))))smile



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A few years ago I was at a retreat of both AlAnons and alcoholics that were in AA (some for a looooong time and some for only a few months). I was a speaker on one of the steps at this retreat so a quite new member of AA came up to me in the cafeteria and asked me if I would have married my hubby if I had known that he was going to become an alcoholic. I said "no, never!" and he looked at me and said "that's not fair". I didn't know what to say to him after that and he didn't know what to say to me either. He was early in recovery and I hope I didn't hurt him but I couldn't lie to him either.

I am still married to my AH who is sober today and will probably stay sober because he is more afraid of the cancer he got in his throat than alcoholism. But I do lots of things to keep my sanity with his self-centeredness.

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I don't see anything unethical about this post at all

I would NEVER EVER consider being with another alcoholic....NOT as a husband....EVER....end of my story....

I can love and pray for the ones I know and am related to, but to live with them in any way??? even roomates.....NO!!!!!  and i won't budge on that one.....

I have DEAR DEAR friends who are like family, ARE my family in my heart who are in AA...sober for 20 to 30 years and i love them dearly and I pray for them NOT to have that slip that can still happen....I think the longer a person is sober, the more "re-trained" in their patterns they  would be and less of a risk of slip......i know it can happen, but if a guy or gal has been sober for 10 plus years, there is an excellent chance that they will stay that way  IF they work a strong program.....the whole behaviour set up and their way of thinking would have been very much changed for the better by then...My best friend who sponsors me, I would have NO problem house sharing with her, bc i know her thru and thru and i know how serious she is about staying sober and working on herself....

its kind of scary...i am joining this health club, and its nice...clean...and  i will go during the day b/c i don't like goign out at night by myself, and i could meet someone....its very possible....when i was at the little swimming pool at the park, i had some "swim play mate"  guys and they liked me and wanted to date me, but I didn't go b/c i just did not want to....i wanted just friendship.....but , I COULD meet someone I DO get interested in.....and I would , I plan to go VERY  slow if I do meet a guy that I might get interested in......a health club probably would be a decent place bc/ if he cares enough about his body to work out, etc, he MAY not be a drinker....BUT, I would take it REAL slow and REAL easy....do a lot of listening and watching.....

 

 



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Lyne, I wish the best for you!!!! I know about it being too late, horrible feeling.

Leaving someone is very hard and a mountain of emotions and fears that come with it. And I have never talked to anyone (including myself) that didnt say I might stay single it isnt worth it. Very common.
The two bad relationships in the past I chose to leave, and it was not easy (mentally and physically abuse). But after him, I swore I would never trust or love again.


Then I met my Ex-husband, he was wonderful and what a treat after who I was with prior. I was with him for 3 yrs before we got married. I was happy. BUT ONCE we said I DO, it wasnt a month later the mental and controlling monster came out, and I lived in a very bad situation. And I stayed with him for 7 more years. Neither one were alcoholics, just mean people with issues. When I left my husband he took all the money and gave me nothing (he made good money so there was no fighting him in court). I lived in a hotel for a month and not a nice one. He harassed me so much at work I lost my job, the list goes on. And he wouldnt let me see my step son who I raised pretty much alone for 10 yrs. I hit rock bottom back then and got very sick (mentally). I Swore, that was it, no more I am done!

Then I met Al a few yrs later my relationship before my ABF - I thought I found THE ONE, no.. his time for real LOL, such a caring, wonderful (older) man, treated me like GOLD! Regardless of what he had done, it was a very good relationship. But 1 yr later I found out he was married and the trips to NC that I thought were business trips, were not. He was going home to his kids and wife. I never thought I would get over that one. He didnt treat me bad but I had no choice but to leave, I couldn't stay with someone married and his POOR wife, and the guilt I had from it was horrible. I never thought I would get over him it was a little easier with the ones that treated me so bad..


So again, that was IT I mean it this time no more. LOL I took a much needed break, dove into self-help, volunteering got strong and I knew exactly what I was looking for should I find Mr right. And I was so proud I held out for Mr right I was finally looking out for ME. So a few yrs later I met Tommy boy. He blew everyone out of the water and the connection and friendship we have AMAZING!!!!! It was worth it, the wait was so worth it. Life was GOOD! But it was a lie, the man I met was not who he said he was.. So here I am. In a situation like none of the others, being with an A doesnt even compare to the others, so differnt..some of it is better (he doesnt hit me, mental abuse only when drunk, he isnt married etc) but the other parts of it are SO much worse than the past.


I never was addicted to anyone before probably because they were not addicts, I dont know. But it is so true, you become sick with them and you become addicted to them. So this one will not be easy to say good bye to (should I decide). And I pray every day it works out!

I dont know if I am staying with my A or not. And yes, all those old feelings of, NO, not again, come on, and not wanting to be alone again, I dont want to start over or even want another. Here is there difference between then and now.. because meeting an A had taught me some really tough things to deal with and pain I never felt but it has also forced me to work a program and Al Anon so that helps me know I will be OK! And I am sure; after the drama, tears and pain fade I will find another someday. Just added on my already LONG check list: nonalcoholic need not apply So no matter HOW carful you are or how much you think you are not settling.. life, your HP reminds you - you do not have control over what is planned for you. I hope HP has a plan for me to be with someone until I grow old, I really do want this. But maybe that isnt the plan for me. So I am not going to worry about it.



-- Edited by Iwantthingsback on Friday 8th of November 2013 11:24:41 AM



-- Edited by Iwantthingsback on Friday 8th of November 2013 11:26:17 AM

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RE: This may be an unethical, non Al anon share…


My responsibility is to go through the steps and have a spiritual awakening so I KNOW who I'm getting involved with. I can't BE fooled anymore, by others or myself. Whether alcohol is part of the other persons picture or not, there is something within me that always knows if it's a good idea or not. I have developed a 6th sense and I follow it. Also that's right. We don't out others down because we have our own disease.

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WorkingThroughIt - after Al anon and my own experience in this.... I two have developed a 6th sense and if I am out there again, looking for love. This will be with me, and it is so comforting to know.

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I'm in my second marriage to an addicted spouse, and this one took me totally by surprise. I knew there were some food issues, but the alcohol and severe lying didn't come to light until about 15 yrs in. I had struggled with staying vs. leaving up until recently, where with the alanon help I am first learning to take care of me. A has gotten into program but it may be too little too late. Alot of damage has been done. I'm afraid I'm so disgusted with my own relationships that I don't think I ever want another one. The heartbreak of the disappointment is just so painful. I'm thinking I'd rather be alone. I'll just take ODAT for now. Lyne

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I gave my heart before I really knew him; I haven't dated yet and its been three years. No desire until I heal from the past. But, I do have times where I meet someone, they seem fun, hang back from a distance and watch how they are -usually doesn't take long to see the red flags I didn't know to look for before now.

I would date a man who was a recovered A - provided enough recovery was in place, strong in their program. I think the 12 steps add tremendous depth to us, make us better people for having looked inside and learned to keep our own sides clean. I would not date another bully though. And, I would take things pretty slow, keep my heart safely vaulted away in my safe deposit box!

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(((Iwantthingsback))) This was such a wonderful post; thank you. You touched on things that I, too, have been thinking about a lot lately. I've been involved with 2 confirmed alcoholic addicts, and another who often but not always binged on the weekends. The thing that all 3 relationships had in common was their selfishness and chemical dependence and my codependency. The A that I am with now is one of the confirmed alcoholic addicts, and I think he might be the worst as far as the amount of alcohol he consumes, the denial, and the selfishness that he's saturated with. The ironic part of this was that I met him after I'd repeatedly stated for all of my friends to hear that I had learned my lesson and would not be getting involved with an alcholic or addict again. Haha. Looking back, the signs were there, but somehow I didn't "see" them for what they were. I think now, that all of my relationships have been with selfish, controlling, emotionally unavailable men, and the alcoholism was the Cracker Jack prize in the mix. I was an addict too, addicted to one of the men for almost 20 years, even though we had separated not even a year after being together, I couldn't move on from him. Any relationship I entered into, I always compared with him. And, to make this long saga a little shorter, that's why I am so happy with having fallen in love with the current ABF. If not for him, I may have never found AlAnon. Getting to the level of sickness that I reached with my current ABF has helped me hit my personal Rock Bottom, and now I am healing...slowly but surely.

Iwantthingsback, I too don't know what will happen with my A, if we will definitely separate, or not. I've always feared that I would end up alone, and I don't want that, but when I think of all the negative emotions and situations I deal with everyday, I feel I'd rather be alone than with my A. I've learned and grown so much stronger, but the thought of navigating the single life scares me. I know that I will still have a lot of work to continue on myself before dating again. And before anything else, I will have to surrender it all to HP.

Thank you again...<3



-- Edited by Raven Juniper on Saturday 9th of November 2013 03:23:23 AM



-- Edited by Raven Juniper on Saturday 9th of November 2013 03:25:35 AM

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