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Hello and welcome. Sorry for your pain.

A lot of this sounds so much like me and the same questions I ask my counselor ALL the time. How do I let go to what has been done to me, how do I move past it, how do I trust again, how do I heal from the Unknown when he left for days on a binge. I how do you heal when you dont even know what may or may not have happened? All so confusing huh. All Ic an say is.. one, if you choose to stay then you have to work on you! Coming here is a GREAT start. For me, I needed therapy as well. There is no easy way. I stated reading on how to let go, how to trust again and so on.

And this is funny and not. I say all the time: And really have thought this if I could be hypnotized to not know some things I would!!!!!!! But then again, I went through all of this for a reason!

Aside from your self-help and recovery, I suggest couples therapy when he is better. And start there. Trust is so hard to come by and so easy to lose. And please believe me I know how you feel when it comes to pain, that empty feeling inside and not trusting.


Concentrated on you right now and let him do what he needs to. And please stay on here and LEARN all you can about the disease even if we can never 100% understand it trust me LEARN learn and learn



-- Edited by Iwantthingsback on Tuesday 5th of November 2013 03:26:00 PM

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Hi, I'm new here and I'm here because I am lost. I've never been an addict but my life has always involved one. My father was an alcoholic, my first 2 husbands were abusive alcoholics and my current husband is in rehab. We been together 10 years he has battled this demon his entire life. I knew he was recovering when we started but I had no idea how deep his problem really was. He has done rehab several times in his life. First 2 years were good but past 8 have been plagued by relapse after relapse, usually brought on innocent enough he's always trying to help others but the ones he tries to help aren't ready to give it up so they drag him back in a lot of the time it was his family who were his party buddies growing up they seem to be the worst for dragging him back into that life not that it's their fault he is trying to help them get straight while they are telling him come on just one drink just one night, sometimes he would make it a month all the way up to a year, but this past year has been one on top of another until I was going to leave for good. When sober we have an amazing relationship he is a wonderful husband and father and I love him dearly. He is in a rehab program a year long leaving me and my daughter to tend our farm and animals alone,but I'm very happy he is getting help after 8 years of praying he would. As for me I'm trying to come to terms with all the lies and pain. The pain of what I do know and don't know how to forget, the haunting questions of what I know he is still lying about and the biggest wondering how to rebuild our trust with so many unresolved lies. I want to make our marriage work without him I'm incomplete. He is trying working hard on his recovery and I am trying, working on being the good wife focusing on taking care of our home staying busy. I'm mainly at a loss on how to resolve all these feelings brought on threw this past year of hell. I wish I could unknow the things he's done, unfeel the pain its caused. I know to make my marriage work we have to come to a point of trust again and I know it takes time and we cant really work on rebuilding us with him away for a year only seeing each other three hours a week for visit, I guess I'm just at that place where it feels impossible for 10 years we been together 24/7 except when he relapsed now I'm here alone on this farm in the middle of nowhere with all this pain so fresh I cant even cry anymore I want to and always feel like I'm about to but the tears just don't come. I've ordered the big book to try to better understand his illness but I don't know if a nonaddict can ever really understand, I've read the wives section of his book but I need to read it again so far I'm more confused. So for now I'm struggling, lost, a prisoner in my own mind, a prisoner on my own farm, a prisoner to the disease.



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PS - you are not alone!!! You will see :)

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When you read the many posts on this forum, you will hear your story told by many...we have lived with the disease of alcoholism and the destruction of the disease.  Through my recovery (al anon, sponsorship, working the 12-steps, one on one therapy, etc) I have come to recognize my addiction of co-dependency.  My recovery had to begin with my embracing the powerlessness over any addictions and my surrender to a HP that could restore me to wholeness.  I took my focus off of the addicts in my life and placed the focus and recovery work on me; then I began to live my life...not the life that included being here, there, and everywhere reacting to other people's BS and craziness.  Recovery is possible for you....you don't know what you don't know until you sit through meeting after meeting in the same energy of people who have been there.  Good for you that you found this forum and welcome.



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Hello farmerswife
Welcome to Miracles in Progress I am glad that you reached out and shared.  If you have read the AA Big Book I know you have absorbed the idea that alcoholism is a progressive fatal illness that can be arrested and never cured.  The Big Book goes so far as to suggest that therapy for the alcoholic is not wise as they  spend most of their time trying to outwit the therapist .   AA is a program of recovery for the alcoholic .
 
We who have lived with this disease have also become seriously affected by it and need a program  of recovery of our own.  Alanon is that program  There are face to face meeting in most communities and the hot- line number can be found in the white pages.  If you do not have access to these meeting we hold on line meting here 2xs a day and they are extremely  helpful
 
While your husband is in rehab this is a perfect time to learn new constructive   tools to live by.  Alanon will provide those tools .   It is here that  I learned to  break  the isolation caused by the disease, connect with others  who understand as few others can, keep  the focus  on myself, live one day at a time with trust in the program and a Higher Power.
Please keep coming back there is help and hope 


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Aloha Farmerswife and welcome to the board.  There is a suggestion that is valueable which is to listen to the stories that have already come here and the ones that newly come such as yours.  That value in that is if you listen to the similarities with an open mind you will find help.  That was the first recovery promise made and kept for me and I did need help.  Right off you and I are similar in that I also married and had relationships with addicted and alcoholic women and men.  The reason for that I found out was because I was born and raised in the disease and would only do what I knew from birth until I learned something different and I've learned tons different.  PP's share about learing to live her life is also what happened for me.   I learned that I invested almost everything I had into the addicted relationships and marriages I kept getting into and that it was natural that the disease would take all of the investment and return nothing in return.  I learned that alcoholic/addict relationships are all one way and they take because I was always willing to give.  This disease needs givers and giving enables it to get worse.

Your husband is responsible for his recovery and his life.  It's nice to have support however he must get, maintain and stay sober in spite of the support.  His recovery has to become even more important than his drinking and using or the disease consumes him entirely.  This is a fatal disease and it has no prejudice which sacrafice it gets.  Alcoholism consumes until it is arrested by total abstinence.

Sorry that you put the responsibility for your happiness and sadness again on to the shoulders of a fatally sick person and that is what I also did.  Addictive consumption of a mind, mood, physical and spiritually altering chemical makes them less than and it is normal and natural to also lessen the trust and hope and expectations we have of them.  

I didn't know and didn't know that I didn't know about alcoholism when I first found the Al-Anon Family Groups totally by the will of my Higher Power in a location 2600 miles from my homeland.   I knew nothing except that if something didn't happen to alleviate the problem in me I would finally complete my suicide.  This would be a 3rd attempt except that I found the program.  

Your husband has never been sober...he may have been dry at times and all alcoholics who are sober for real know that no one can take them off of their sobriety but themselves.   Dry isn't sober.  There are too many things missing in just being dry including the awareness that you don't give away or try to give away something you haven't got or you'll loose the little you have.  We (yes I am a double...also a member of AA) stay away from using people, places and thing and anchor ourselves to our home group meetings, Sponsors, Big Books and most of all our Higher Power.  Notice that spouses and families are not in that list most often because our spouses and families do not have the tools to keep us sober unless they are recovering alcoholics themselves.  Alcoholism is a cunning, powerful and baffling disease and outdates the life of the Christ by thousands of years.  We are altered (my opinion) from the start.

You're lost for now and you have found MIP Miracles In Progress.  You have lots and lots of help here and in the last month or so we have had new miracles...members who have come here terrified and hurting and lonely and confused who have stayed....followed the suggestions of those who have been here for a while and have their own recoveries and then practiced what they have learned. Today they are awesome examples of positive change in their lives and ours.   Stick around and keep coming back.  In support (((((hugs))))) smile



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Thank you all for your kind words of welcome and support. Learning is a passion of mine and I believe their is much to learn here. Thank You.

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one statement in your post...."i want to make this work...without him i am incomplete"

that is a red flag to me....I DO hope you can get into some face2face meets , get a sponsor and work the 12 steps in their entirety, they are a life effort.

to be "incomplete" w/out a man reminds me of my old codependent days when i was not complete unless i was married, had someone...oh yea, my 2nd AH was nice to me and i hung on bc I, too, felt incomplete w/out my man

then i finally had enough, asked him to leave , got into recovery, got a sponsor to guide me, in fact i had fac2fac sponsor AND an on line one and i found out  I AM COMPLETE.....with ME>..

my maker did not make me  1/2....he made a full, whole, complete person, but my childhood abuse and abandonment, i splintered....i became incomplete bc i was trained adn brainwashed to THINK i was not enough...not good enough....a failure...stupid....not worth anything.......that isn't how my maker started me out.....

HP does not  make  "half assed projects"  so i had to work the steps, went to meets,  did inner child/family of origin discovery and i found out WHY i felt that way......i was torn down, year by year by people who NEVER should have been fertile......but they were, they had us and crippled most of us.....

little by little i am becoming complete within myself......i feel just as whole as a couple feels when i go out....i take me out to eat, by myself  and i am no less then a married lady w/her man sitting by her....

i am just as whole and complete and all my "parts" are intact just as anyone else.....I will never marry again to feel "complete"  b/c I already am......i will marry again, if it is meant to be,  for frieindship...companionship......for to share life w/someone clean...healthy and can hold up his end of a relationship....I don't want to be anyone nurse, or baby sitter or caregiver when the booze eats him up and takes his body out

i am complete right now.......yea, i am a work in progress,  will be in recovery for the remainder of my life to maintain my serenity and healthier life style but  i am complete in every sense of the world...

if i was not complete, i would not be able to take care of me, make decisions,  do for myself..set and maintain boundaries...i would not be able to make sound decisions, ..

my body needs no other to function,  my lungs breathe fine for me...my heart beats fine for me.....so that has to mean that i can do fine w/me......I know i CAN...

if i marry again it will be out of want....not need......

please stay in the program....and you will find out like i did that there is a complete you under neath all that pain....

please take what u can use and leave the rest



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And as Jerry says,,,,,,,, Dry isn't sober. I have 5 A's in my family (Grandpa, Grandma, 2 cousins and an uncle). All 5 cleaned up their acts years ago. BUT 4 remained and remain dry. ONLY my uncle has the true sobriety! And he lives a very full and happy life and handles stress better than anyone I know, he is 27 yrs sober but only 19 or 20 yrs full sobriety. You would think seeing this since I was little, and seeing the struggles I would be able to detect it.....

BUT.... I also, I live with a dry and didn't even see it under my own nose. Trust me, he struggles with his addiction every single day, the symptoms of it and all. I used to think it was great my A was not drinking, this is super! But quickly learned, because he didn't go back to AA and ignored it he was worse that when he was drinking. It is like this constant fight within themselves. And the temptation to drink is much stronger than if they are dealing with their sobriety in all aspects.

This is my struggle today and has been! He is proud he doesn't drink, am glad he doesnt drink, but he knows he suffers and how he acts being dry and he knows he is NOT sober (as Jerry put it) and sees what it is doing to our relationship but chooses not to do much about it. It is such a confusing thing.

Tom was Dry for 4 yrs didn't touch a drink, but didn't go to meetings either then he slipped a few times when life got hard. Point, if he had been dealing with his sobriety in full (I call it both sides mental and physical) not only would he have been living a happier life, there would have a smaller chance of slipping when things went bad in life. Now, I feel, we are back to square one because the DRY symptoms that he seemed to be getting a handle on in the past are now worse than ever after the slip. Best way to put, living as a DRY is living in the danger zone everyday.

I am sharing this with you as awareness - that just because they may stop using or drinking doesn't mean they are sober. I welcome you to read all you can on the disease and the dry aspect Jerry speaks of. It is a very hard lesson I had to learn the hard and very painful way. You may already be aware of all we are saying, but if I can make one person aware of this and learn this so they dont hurt as well, that will make me happy!



-- Edited by Iwantthingsback on Wednesday 6th of November 2013 08:36:24 AM

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I agree wit Miss Betty on this one.. with therapy for the alcoholic is not wise as they spend most of their time trying to outwit the therapist . Mine has even said that, he admits he has tried (in the past) to manipulate them and has..... BUT, if you go to a drug and alcohol one that knows this illness they know, trust me.... Ours has called him out a few times. Between me knowing when I am being..... outwitted (most of the time LOL) and our therapist, he doesn't have much of a chance.

I might be good luck in this area for me because Tom likes to go, he gets more out of it than I do really and he is TOO honest in therapy, sometimes deep inside I wish he was trying to outwit us. It seems for him, his real chance to talk, get it out and he knows I can't do anything about it but listen :)

Plus, even tho the disease is a sly one, and it is.... there is the person you know under there as well. I admit at times I am not sure if I am being manipulated but it isn't all that hard to see either. But AA for him should he choose and Al anon for you, for sure!!!

You won't be sorry you found this board.

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I may have been a little vague on being incomplete without my husband, its a spiritual thing. I can and do function just fine without him, my father although an A taught me you cant really depend on anyone but yourself so I made a point to be very self sufficient I'm a certified auto tech, a licensed nurse I've ran a roofing company if it breaks I can fix it, I don't need him to survive or to be happy I enjoy life being with my kids working my farm I could walk away and still have a good, happy life. My faith and god have always been the rock in my life I could quote several scriptures but the base is when I took those vows I did so in front of god and I don't see walking away from him because he is sick. We could both walk away and live ok but spiritually we are of one flesh that may sound strange coming from one who is twice divorced but I've come to terms with that it was mostly a combination of youth and stupidity. But as for present day no matter how well you understand the disease no matter how much you focus on yourself it still hurts to see the one you love struggle with this illness knowing you don't judge them but seeing them afraid to speak because they are so ashamed of their actions seeing them lie knowing their lying not only to you but to themselves, I want to learn as much as I can about this disease as I can because knowledge is power but emotion is not governed by knowledge and I know it will still hurt if he does fall, He is doing good with AA he is up to step 4 I want to make it work and be here for him but I will not do so at the expense of my own sanity which is why I'm here to find ways to cope with the emotional aspect which is not led by logic. the logical side of me knows nothing he has done had anything to do with me it was nothing against me and he hurt himself as much if not more than he hurt me, but the emotional side still feels the pain. Thank you for all the insight, and wisdom I appreciate all views and comments.

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Welcome farmerswife, you've come to a great place!

I have learnt so much on these pages - about myself, about my AH and the disease of alcoholism. I can completely relate to your comment about wanting to cry but the tears won't come. I had the same experience and also worried about my sanity. I missed my feelings! Slowly slowly they are coming back to me now. I've cried and shouted and kicked leaves in a very un-playful fashion and I've welcomed those feelings because as they move out of the way my enthusiasm and humour have snuck right in behind them.

These pages have helped me to experiment with looking at myself and my own needs and taking my focus off AH for a while. I do have the strongest urge to do everything I can to make his recovery easier for him but I've learnt to resist because that has to be his journey. My journey is to learn to look after my own needs (I didn't have a clue that I had any needs for most of my life!) The most helpful thing that I can do is to enjoy my life - it kind of takes the guilt off AH (that is the codependent in me talking!) and it sure makes me feel better as well. It is not always a smooth learning curve though and I find that the wisdom and insight here helps me when I'm reeling from the impact that drinking has had on our lives. It is great that your husband is working his own recovery btw.

I'm in awe at your skills and I really hope that you'll stay with us. I hope that you will be gentle with yourself as well (running a farm has got to be exhausting!). You've been through a lot and, for me, I found this place to be filled with remarkable folks who understand so very very much. (((((hugs))))).

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