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I would always help and comfort my son when it came apparent he was really in a bad way. The first time I call 911 when he was having a seizure he didn't like it after all was said and done. Over time I let go and he would have to deal with the sickness and seizures. If he wanted help I would say call 911. He would get upset but that was going to his decision because unless he was dying I wasn't going to be there anymore. I don't know if it will help him or not but it's one less thing on my plate.
Like pinkchip says I will NOT watch him kill himself anymore.
ER....they know best
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Lord, put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth
Speak only when you feel that your words are better than your silence.
Your study's will help in detaching, working on your weight, waking up and meditating on Melly and actually saying "What am I going to do for Melly today." Its having conscious contact with your HP,it could be just simple things. A walk, a visit to a bookstore, it doesnt have to be epic. I remember my sponsor suggested I buy a pretty crystal that I felt drawn too and hold it in my hand when I spoke with my HP. Little things really help.
Yes I can relate to the anger coming out on other people, its misguided anger. I have over reacted to situations many times.
Your making progress , even when you think your not. Coming here and sharing and venting is progress. Til you don't want to vent about him anymore and its not about him anymore. When it just sounds like yada, yada , yada. and you want to get on with YOU!
Its having the courage to change and you have it Melly. Go to more meetings if you have too, Just don't go near the fire, HIM. lol
It just takes time and lots of practice.
Bettina
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My daughter was away, which is always a little challenging for me. The A stayed in his room and drank and slept in fits. I couldn't find the energy or desire to do anything much. I've become so accustomed to keeping the house quiet when he's asleep (he used to rage if a sound was made, no matter what time of day it was. Things are a little different now but I still find myself tip-toeing and avoiding anything excessively noisy like moving anything, or using cupboards or doors, or breathing. lol. It's a bit sad). But anyway I just read a funny book and tried to stay positive. Took myself back to step 1 and meditated on it a lot, because I figure if I can still feel this lonely and sad and affected by it, maybe I need to begin at the beginning. I know I can do this, I just have to keep at it, and believe in myself and my HP.
Late on Sunday afternoon he emerged from his room, a little drunk but in good spirits and seemingly possessed by Cassanova. He showered, then gave me a speech about his deep love for me and his terrible regret at the ways he has mistreated me. I just let myself enjoy an evening in bed and possibly some of the nicest, most honest conversation we have had in years. I suppose I shouldn't have, since he was drinking but he was so lucid, and sweet, almost the guy I fell in love with. I haven't seen him like that for a very, very long time. It was nice to love him for a little while. But as time wore on he drank 2 bottles of red wine and his mood started to deteriorate and he was having seizures every 10 minutes or so (this happens when he drinks). At 2am I suggested we go to sleep and he became outraged- he had NO clean clothes for work today and he was going to stay up washing. Then he cranked up the music, all the fun stuff. He got quite nasty about how "the fairies don't do his washing for him while he's sleeping". No, the fairies used to do his washing while he was sleeping. But the fairies learnt not to enable him months ago.
Well, our washing machine is broken. The pump doesn't work so in between cycles you have to pull the hose out of the sink and drain it out the laundry door. It's a gigantic pain in the ass. So I wake up and the music is LOUD and I go in to ask him to turn it down and he says "the machine's been filling for hours and it doesn't seem to do anything". You're kidding me. Of course, he's got the hose draining out the door and the machine is just emptying itself into the yard so I try to show him and he says "either do it yourself or F off". Right. Either leave me to run water out the laundry door all night long, or do my washing for me like a good little fairy. At 4am. He's finished bottle no.3 now and is onto 4. That's a hell of a lot of red wine.
He comes in to "cuddle and apologise" and is surprisingly lucid for a while and then he does something strange. I've seen him drunk a million times and heard him babble, rant and slur, even moan but never this. He keeps talking conversationally, but the words that are coming out of his mouth aren't making any sense at all. "spanner automobile fish sauce in my geranium laboratory" sort of crazy. (but with ruder words). And he looks scared and keeps trying but what's coming out of his mouth is absolute gibberish and he knows it. It's the strangest thing I've ever experienced with him, his eyes seem quite normal and he's gesturing and looking at me like he's pleading with me to understand him but the words are just deranged. Frustrated and embarrassed, he goes back to his room to drink more. I feel afraid; this looks to me like real brain damage.
So I do the washing figuring at least when the machine is finished there will be less noise and I'll be able to sleep. Wake again; he's running water through it again onto the clean spun-dry clothes and out the door. What can I do. I spin it dry again and hang it up. He wins. The fairies have done his washing. Back to sleep. Half an hour later I wake to some weird very heavy, very laboured breathing in the hallway. I go out and he's just standing there, hunched over and breathing like he's run a marathon. I lead him to bed and he is on fire; burning with fever. He doesn't sleep, just lies there all night, burning and asking for water and telling me he can't move his neck. Normally I wouldn't do water or even share the same bed when he's drunk but he's scaring me and his fever is terrifying. I've never felt anyone so hot. He's quite lucid again, as if he hasn't had a drop to drink and tells me he has a terrible headache and he thinks he has the flu. I bring him several litres of water and ice-packs to try to get the temperature down. He seems extremely ill and I contemplate calling a doctor.
6 hours or so later, he gets up and the fever is gone and he seems quite alright. I make him breakfast and lunch because I want him to eat something decent. All the stuff I stopped doing months ago. He seems extremely happy that I am doing these things for him like I used to. He thanks me for his clean dry clothes and for his food and almost skips out the door.
What just happened here? My first thought as he leaves for work is "did he just realise that if he drinks until he makes himself really sick I will be worried and start caring for him again?" He's happy when he comes home and thanks me again. I hope, really really hope that he is just happy to know that I still care and this isn't going to become some new form of manipulation. Because that's going to be really hard to navigate. And what the hell has he done to himself to bring about that sort of reaction to a binge? Has he ruined his liver so badly that it's causing brain damage? Is that what's been causing the seizures all this time? Is he going to become so sick at 37 years of age that I have to decide whether to watch him die or abandon him? And WHY is this my focus all of a sudden?
Oh yeah, they're cunning diseases, his and mine. All they seem to want is for me to nurture and care for them. And what a crappy weekend and I'm so, so tired of getting no sleep.
Up yours, alcoholism. I'm really sick of your nonsense.
Oh gosh, Melly. I have no E/S/H here. I just feel a tremendous amount of compassion for the both of you. Seeing somebody as sick as he was for the first time with a high fever, I would have done the same thing you did. Just out of a desire to do for them what they obviously couldn't do for themselves. Would that be enabling for me? I think it would only if it was an automatic reaction. If I was weighing the situation and the person presenting themselves as ill as he was, I would be doing laundry, feeding them breakfast and packing their lunch for them because I cared about them and wanted to do it for them because my heart said to do it. And that doesn't mean I wouldn't change my mind on repeating that act of caring on another day at another time.
I do hope you get some sleep for your sake, Melly. If I were there, I'd fix you a meal and put you to bed just because I'd see you'd had an awful night and needed somebody just to care. (((M)))
Oh, that's such a nice thought, someone fixing me a meal and putting me to bed just the idea of it made me feel cared for. I'll have a vegetarian gluten-free lasagne and a slice of gluten-free cheesecake, thanks G2B lol. Who am I kidding, I'd be excited if someone made me some baked beans on toast.
The thing is I'm certain that 4 bottles of wine over around 9 hours is what put him into that state, especially after a weekend of almost constant drinking. I suspect he has given himself some form of encephalitis or something like that. He's been drinking more in recent months than I've ever seen him drink before, and that's saying a lot. So if he thinks that drinking himself sick is going to bring out the carer in me- well heaven help us.
Yeah, Pinkchip, 'Leaving Las Vegas" style. This occurs to me. I don't sense any will to live, or get better, or have anything better than he has now. Which is a little bit soul-destroying; it'd be nice to think that your partner could find some joy in the thought of a future with you. I know, it's not for me to take personally. He even said as much to me last night, during that "lucid, honest conversation". For years, he's just been a giant angry baby, picking at me and hurting me and pushing me into a corner and refusing to do anything to help himself. Last night he was all compassion and care, telling me that I have to stop thinking that his horrible moods have anything to do with who I am or what I do...because I'm beautiful and he loves me and he's just f&^%ed and it's nothing to do with me...well the conversation went on for quite a while and he really was so kind and focused on me...he hasn't said anything like this to me in- well- ever-it made me wonder, has he been seeing how much I have been hurting all of this time and still bullying me and tying me up in rhetoric and bullcrap until I fall in a heap and cry? He's not had much interest in living in the entire time I have known him, in fact it's just been one long exercise in self-destruction. Maybe he has just been grooming me for palliative care. Maybe it's more abuser bullshit. Maybe his brain is damaged and he doesn't mean his outbursts and just feels hopeless. What a thing, to not know your lover or his intentions at all. I don't think I can waste much more of my life trying to figure it out. If this was another attempt to "build me up" so that he can crush me again, I think it's just going to have to be no contact and I'll have to get through it one way or another.
Heart hurts. Dunno if it even beats anymore, sometimes.
You know the new thing my son has been doing with me. He has never been a very affectionate person but now it's hugs before he leaves and telling me he loves me.
Next thing....no contact what so ever. Yes he loves me but I can tell now that the disease is getting desperate
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Lord, put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth
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Melly: We can tell their intentions by their actions more than their words. Of course your heart hurts. You care about him. I don't think any of us could watch what you watched and hear what you heard and not be affected by it. Trouble is - our care isn't going to make a difference to them if they're going to keep on drinking. We just can't save 'em, no matter how much we care about them. We can only save ourselves with the help of HP and working our own program. We're totally powerless over them and the disease that is destroying them. The more we can accept that truth, the easier it gets to do what we can for us. You're working on saving yourself and I'm so glad that you are. You've made my life richer just by sharing your story and helping me to remember what I need to remember in relationship to my son who is also 37.
That signature was really hard to overcome but I have done it. It's nice when you can talk to someone without the begging, nagging, crying or arguing. I will not go there ever again. I can ask HP for that shoulder and hand..
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Lord, put your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth
Speak only when you feel that your words are better than your silence.
I have a few of those nites over a 26 year period believe me.
One thing that would help you is realizing that there is no rhyme or any logical reason for the goings on of an addicted person.
I know its difficult to block out whats going on in the house , especially when its up in your face. Its like riding a roller coaster and then he took you along for the ride and he sucked you in once more. Even the sweet talk can fall under his abusing you. The seisures, the fever, who knows whats going on with his body. It could be liver damage, it could be many things, I can't believe what my X would be doing many nites and then still get up and never miss a day of work. I use to call him Superman. Your Superman is headed for a fall. From what I hear from your post, your too involved with him and not doing for YOU.
I want to hear more about whats going on with Melly. Alcoholics are boring and really in the end predictable. We already know how the story ends, if they are not recovering, they are dying, on the lay away plan.
Do something for you Melly, really turn him over to your HP, he is acting like the little God . Alanon is working toward solutions and really thinking of workable boundaries that make a difference in your daily life that will make YOur life not his more workable and manageable for YOU.
I know that's true Bettina. And it's not the first night like that, it's one in a series of hundreds of sleepless nights. I guess I knew, I even POSTED weeks ago that I knew that he would up the ante if I kept detaching and caring for me. I really was doing well and..well, this might sound ridiculous but..I haven't achieved much for me over the last 6 months or so. Studies have gone by the wayside, I've gained a few kilos when I wanted to be losing, all I've really done is work on detaching and working the steps. I've been squirrelling a little money in the bank, but that's all I have really done. I told myself that this was OK, because my codependant bullcrap has been so debilitating to my life that maybe I could call it a productive time anyway, since I was saving my own life and all. I was actually sort of praising myself and thinking I had "come so far and now "the sky's the limit".
So I'm a bit horrified to see how quickly I can get sucked back in. And by how much it hurts. I feel like I haven't really achieved anything at all, and he's still- yeah, the little god. I thought I was doing so well
I can't believe how much I wanted to relax and believe him when he was being nice and attentive to me last night. I can't believe how sad I felt all weekend after he had let me down and ignored me. I want to say bad words.
Last friday, I was out in the city with my daughter, and a lady pushed past us roughly and said "OMG would you move". I said something rude and extended my middle finger to her. My daughter saw, and she was just horrified.
I was horrified. People driving past were probably horrified. I'm still just sad, and angry, and reactionary. And really dissapointed in myself. I feel like I haven't made any progress at all.
Also if he gives you another sleepness , nitemare of a nite, lock yourself in your bedroom and don't come out , whatever you think is happening or hear out there turn your TV on or radio, my room was my fortress, but don't come out.
Change is scary melly but you are here and you are not in denial. You are progressing. Many of your posts have had a cynical and humorous sarcasm to them but it's ok to just be sad and raw too. That is also progress. Feeling the feelings and working through them is progress. Sometimes in recovery you have to traverse down a dark hallway to get to the light at the other side. We are holding your hands and supporting you as you just keep putting one foot in front of the other. Even if that's all you did today, that's progress.
Aloha Melly I'm revisiting my past with my alcoholic/addict coming up with simple shot suggestions. Your husband would do much better under these conditions with professional medical help than with you. It's not about doing what your not doing...it's about stopping doing what you're doing. When an alcoholic or addict is displaying the symptoms that your man was; dial the emergency number and get paramedics out there as fast as you can. What you are descripting was deleium demential and toxic shock...alcohol poisoning and while I could and would talk my program while my spouse or someone else was going thru the similar event I later learned call the professionals. I have several such events with my spouse which after being in recovery a while resulted in me apologizing for. I did the wrong thing when professionals would have done what was right. I know toxic shock first hand and I will never let it pass again without the call. Of course I've got college education on the disease today and still it is the program that has me make the call.
After one event which almost took my alcoholic/addicts life I attempted to attend to her myself...that is expected of the enabler...that and all other forms of poor choices. She survived the initial attack by the grace of God and then the event expanded at a doctors visit to correct some of the damage. I knew the process they were going to do and advised them and asked them that when they were done not to wipe her down with alcohol. Alcoholics don't need to drink alcohol to go into seizures all it has to do is get absorbed externally or internally and the doctors dismissed my information and after the treatment wiped her down with alcohol. The office paniced because they had never experienced it and they came out into the waiting room calling for me. My wife was in full spasm on her right side and paralyzed on her left and calling for me...my enabling was with experience and I brought her out of it and then they ushered us out the back door of the clinic. Sick Sick Sick.
We are not alone...we have tools...emergency phone numbers are tools. Get all of the other emotions and thoughts out of the way and make the call. I still do and the last one I did was a week ago. Sad you had to watch it still going on. (((((hugs))))) Keep coming back.
Gosh! I'm grateful for the knowledge of not even rubbing somebody down with alcohol. Not that I have ever done it - and yes, if I had seen my son go through that - I would have called ET since it would look like an emergency medical situation - I still am grateful for all this new medical knowledge that I've never learned about. Who knows when I'll need it, too! I can say that some folks who go to ER here (they don't have insurance so they go to ER) are allowed to sit in the waiting room without treatment while they go through some of what has been described. I don't have a lot of faith in our medical system these days and trust that the knowledge imparted here that I am witnessing may be something I will need to know.
Thanks, Jerry, for sharing the knowledge. Thanks, Melly, for sharing your experience. Glad you are both experienced witnesses to something I have never witnessed personally and have had no knowledge about until now. No matter who knows what or who did what in their particular circumstances, whatever we do is the best we know to do at the time.
I have been in recovery for many years now and I'm still learning so much more than I knew when I first began in recovery. Once I know more, I do more or do less - based on the knowledge I have at the time. As I can see, each of us would have or have had handled the situation in the way we saw revealed to us at the time. If the medical community and the mental health community haven't and don't always know what to do with and for an active alcoholic, I certainly don't expect myself to know it all. Sometimes, as a recovering codependent, my expectation when faced with a stressful situation is to be godlike - know all-see all-be all-do all and do it perfectly. Fortunately, I've learned that isn't possible and never will be.
Hope your day today, Melly, has resulted in your getting more sleep.
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I started reading about ... from the addicts point of view ... like hittin a sick puppy, kicking while they're down kinda thing.... then I came to this topic... My HP works in me HARD sometimes
First off sending HUGS to MELLY....
My heart went out to YOU... I have never thought of how I will/would handle seizures etc .... I have no clue what I would do???? though when my AH fell outta a ladder trying to chain saw up in a tree after "a few" beers. I left him there (he got up to tell me about it).. he asked me if I should take him to ER (and I thought .. and explain a drunk man with a chainsaw in a tree??)
I said if ya think you need to go, call an ambulance I have to be somewhere in 10 minutes with our son.
BUT seizures and fever... I dont know WHAT I would do????
that being said .... I think you handled it GREAT !!!! and if next time you handle it different or the same... you are still doing GREAT ... cuz you are SURVIVING in a disease striken home !!
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Melly, don't beat yourself up about the actions you took. You did the absolute best you could have done in that moment under very difficult circumstances. If you could have done something else in that moment you would have. Often under such stress we get sort of tunnel vision and we do our best and perhaps lose some ability to think outside the box or of more creative solutions. Now that you have thought about what you did, what other options you had, etc... If something happens again you will have more perspective. Progress not perfection. Take care of you <3