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Its about taking responsibility for your own stuff, own it. We cannot blame our environment for our miseries.
The blame game is a hot potato. Time to stop pointing the finger to our Mothers, Fathers, Alcoholics, anyone that has slighted us or rejected us or treated us badly. I alone decide not to be swayed by my environment and be hurt.
Right now I'm taking care of my elderly Mother, who has dementia, my time is up in 2 months and she will be going to my brothers home. This woman was a very self indulgent , you might say narcissistic, person. At the same time very co dependent on my verbally abusive Father. I just found out recently why I never felt loved or she wasnt the Mother like on a tv series. Because she never felt love for me. Those are the facts. Because she was a co dependent, she is co dependent in her old age. Should I have resentments, grudges. Its too late for all that . I find that I feel the same as she felt for me. I am taking care of her because she is my Mother and she brought me into this world. For that I only feel gratefulness for her.
So work, work it out, otherwise you will waste your life blaming your Father for everything that goes wrong in your life. If you look at your life and perceive, I'm sure your Father has given you many gifts that you inherited. We have to face the realities in life, that sometimes we are not born to perfect people. Acceptance to what is , is the answer.
Best in recovery Bettina
-- Edited by Bettina on Monday 5th of August 2013 06:35:47 PM
-- Edited by Bettina on Monday 5th of August 2013 06:37:54 PM
My relationship with my father saddens me. I am coming closer to really accepting it though, at least I think I am.
Because it recreates itself with others in my own adult life, it had to be completely accepted.
My father has done everything possible to see that I won't recover after going through the steps. Somewhere in his sick mind he knows all the hard work I did...it took me 2.5 years to do the steps and I worked at it everyday and going God. I won't go into my father's extreme psychological control and mind games...the invalidation And rejection and inviting others in to harm me too...i was offered up to the rest of the family too and they did what they do as well...the Family of Fearings.
even when I first got sober, he and many of my relatives were NOT happy...my father would not speak to me for the first few years and when I decided to move back to our home state where he lives he was angry I would be near him.
but I am beginning to remember now how much God loves me. I need that.
Recovery is getting really simple now. I see my desperate pleas for acceptance from others -especially people who aren't likely to accept me (just like my father can't) and I see I need to be ok with me.
i know my father needs me to be in this position. I know some more ACOA and Alanon Adult Child meetings are in order (I've been going to Alanon a lot). In AA I unfortunately experience some of the same behavior my father exhibits (Not all members but a lot of them.) it is a tall order to love people who slander me But I know they are sick, just with different symptoms than me.
i know this is about me not needing acceptance from people - only God.
if anyone has any input or experience, please feel free to share.
I have a kinda different slant....I was very abused as a child...both parents did the absolutel worst to me....They were responsible for my having to develope certain survival skills with which to cope w/my despair filled life...I drank, shop lifted, did all kinds of stuff to get removed from that home...
Yes, they were responsible for my horrendous injuries....My ptsd, ...my anxiety
HOWEVER , when I got into alanon and became mentally and emotionally healthy enough to be responsible for my own life, NOW the responsibility is on ME to make that life good or bad
I will never 100% recover from my injuries..I will have parts of me that just "won't come back"
But in alanon, 12 steps, I can come to the place where I say "ok this is what happened to me....this is fact and I cannot change it....so what can I do to take care of me now??? to give me hope now?? to give me love now????"
and that is where I am...I will never ever forget the horrendous life I had, but I don't have to let it rule me....recovery is NOT forgetting what happened, b/c that is impossible, recovery is working through the pain, the memories, each incident, feeling the rage and the grief, so I can reach the "muddy basin" of my life and finally let the sun come in and dry up all that slime and mud
No...I know I will never completely, 100% recover, but I can get "well enough" to live a decent, full, joy filled life....I can take loving care of myself...I can set boundaries so I am not abused again., I can know what my wants and not wants are and assert them...I can meet my own needs...I can make my peace with me and what happened to me and , NO, NEVER can I forget, but I CAN give over the resentment and hate that ate me up....I can release ME from the hate, resentment, not as a gift to them...Screw them!!!! its for ME....all about MY taking MY life back...Taking my power back, but not letting them dominate and rule my life...
Taking the "coping skills" that no longer serve me and saying to them "Thank you for keeping me sane and alive.....but now I must put you to rest and change as I change my world ahead of me.........." and them give those old survival skills/coping skills a kiss goodbye......they kept me alive...they kept me from losing my sanity.........
but now, I want more then just survival...I want to LIVE....i want to THRIVE.....I want to shine......
with alanon I can....
I wold never disrespect me so much as to say I can forget...not possible...I won't con myself into thinking that I could ever forgive these people, b/c I cannot....BUT I can RELEASE the hate and resentment....I work on that.......I work on me....I treat me good.....I take care of my mind and my body and now my spirit....
some crimes are not forgivable nor are they forgettable, but they don't have to dominate my life......I run my life.......when that box of memories falls off the shelf, I have to go through it and feel the feelings, then I put it back up on the shelf and I go about my life.....i notice that it stays up on the shelf a bit longer as the times go by....
this program taught me how to take care of myself......how to take care of me with others....how to assert my boundaries and stand to them...how to stop and give extra care to me as needed.....
It can you , if you just give it a chance.....with the help of program and my universal mind within me, I am the captain of my ship......no human being is the ruler and dominator of my life....I am no longer being controlled by anyone.....I control me....
When I have those "down" or "bad" days, I rest....take Xtra care of me....I say "no" and stand to it as needed....I give when I want to...I do for others If i can and want to.....Yes, I love to be generous, but never again at the expense of my needs and my safety......
Just some thoughts......
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I drank, shop lifted, did all kinds of stuff to get removed from that home... (neshema2) I am So grateful for members who shed light onto the possibility of hidden motives. Before recovery, it can be so easy to think we know the reasons why others do the things they do but the honest shares of members reveal the hurt underneath the behaviors which inevitably lead toward so much compassion and understanding .. To get removed from the home .. How sad but how beautiful to reveal it and pass the understanding and compassion forward to others .. There is just so much healing through these rooms. forgiveness even of ourselves can be such a natural process .. not being able to understand and guessing at motives is what has always made it hard for me to forgive.
MT2, it's true, I don't know why people do the things they do.
I found God in compassion and equality.
I also hear a lot of Alanons and ACOAd say they find it hardest to forgive themselves.
No self-pity here when I say this, but truly I have to allow myself to feel like a little Child of God sometimes and allow Him to come in and heal me. I can't rigidly just "try" to ignore things...everything has to be worked through.
Then we mature eventually.
God bless you all today! Enjoy. I'm going to chair a
Meeting and see a friend.
One other thought here...I can have compassion for someone but still know I'm not to be yoked to them in any way.
I had an attraction to abusive people...physical verbal and sexual predators...I can have pity patience and tolerance for them but need to stay away...I'm a Child of God and I'm not to be involved.
Good work, WTI. As you know, as long as we're focused on other people and what they do, don't do, did, didn't do, we're missing a perfectly good person to love and to enjoy - ourselves. My Mom didn't like me from age 12 when I began to become my own person right up to her dying day and left letters and journal entries for me to read about her dislike of me following her death. My Dad made his mistakes, too. But, they are not responsible for my thoughts, feelings, behaviors towards myself. I am. As Byron Katie says, It was my parent's job to screw me up. It's my job to deal with it. Truth to me is this: We're ALL screwed up - parents included. But, God loves us anyway.
.physical verbal and sexual predators...I can have pity patience and tolerance for them but need to stay away...I'm a Child of God and I'm not to be involved. ..(Workingthroughit)
You are a better person than I b/c I have ZERO pity, patience or tolerence for any of the above b/cI do believe that it is a CHOICE.....my bio sire could have gotten help....I have 2 children...if i were a male parent, I would cut my *(&(** off before I ruined my child's life....I MIGHT pity one given over to the darkness like that, but tolerence?? I will never tolerate evil in any way shape for form...In fact my girls asked me "mom why do we know our grandmothers (just the raging alcoholic) name but not the grandfather???" and I merely explained to them that I would not bring even the name of evil near them......they just said "ok" and let it drop.....It has taken me decades to even come to ASK my inner high power to take the hate/resentment from me..........
My Jewish former boss told me a story....it stuck w/me....She told me how a nazi death camp chief was in the hospital dying and he wanted to talk with a JEW....from the Simon Wiesenthal center, a Jew arrived at hospital b/c he was curious what the Nazi death camp guy had to say....so he is in the room with him, and the newspapers are outside waiting for this "great story" and I guess the guy on the death bed was ranting and trying to justify or explain his actions to the Jew for what he did...Like not really taking the responsibility ...Just like my bio sire.....justifying..not taking responsibility...blaming the victim.....rationalizing his actions......this nazi was just like my bio sire.(it was later revealed) ....so when the "meeting" was over, and the Jewish man walked out the news media wanted to know "what happend??? what was it like???? what did he say to you????? the Jewish man just quietly said "may his name be erased" and he walked away...LATER it was found out the dying man never really took responsibility and repented/begged for forgiveness......so the Jewish guy accepted that "hes evil...not my problem....erase him and move on"
My boss heard this story in her Synagog and thought of me..how my abuser blamed me...a 13 year old child , it was "our" project he called it.....The molestations were something of "ours".....Like I had any choice....
When my boss told me this, I thought , "yea, I can do that...QUIT cursing this guy, when my recovery grows within me and I CAN erase his name and move on, after I work through my pain"
Nearing the end of 2004...2 years recovery under my belt, the hate/resentment each year was a bit less and a bit less....
I went to my boss's lawyer and told him I wanted to legally change my name...he asked me why b/c question #5 on the name change petition to the court would want to know why.....I simply told him I wanted to dissociate from my incest aggressor......my lawyer looked at me and said "OMG...I am sooo sorry...I will help you and no worries on payment...just take your time...you work for "J" and I trust her, so I will help you cleanse your name"
Since 9/11 name changes require a bit more steps than old days.....I filled out the petition w/my lawyer's help...Never did I see people so kind and eager to help me in my "bath"....his paralegal was the nicest gal I met....She prioritized my "case".....my first step after the petition was to get finger printed w/the local police so that state of TX and FBI could make sure I was not a criminal running aay ...
I was clean as could be...step 3....get a court date....It started in July.....we got court date for September....Lawyer pushed, I know, he said that b/c I figured I would have to wait longer
My day came and lawyer is with me and I am sick as a dog from a cold...but nothing was going to stop me.....We went into our court room and they had to switch judges last minute for something...but anyway, a nice older judge w/ gorgeous grey hair and metal rimmed glasses walked in, nice looking older gentlemen and we approach the bench...court stenographer is to my left...Lawyer is to my right and the judge says, good morning and he has my petition and apologized to me for the "switch" of judges but he would be happy to help me...
my lawyer takes over and tells the judge that "my client is here to petition this court to change her name........................." and he proceeds to ask me ????s......date of birth....original name..... on and on...then the "big one" Question #5......"Why, ms. "M" do you wish to change your name from.........to..........??????" I looked at the judge and explained to him I was in recovery for not only growing up with alcohol abuse, but my main reason was that My father used me as his sex outlet starting at the age of 13 on through my teens adn it was forced....If I did not comply, threats to harm my younger siblings were used, also if I didn't comply, more violence would occur in that hell hole
I asked the judge to please allow me to change my name so that I could dissociate from his memory, his name, and his person.....I asked the court for a clean last name so that I could sign checks, et al without becoming nauseated wearing this monster's name.....I told the judge that I was in recovery, most likely for life to undo or try to undo the mental and emotional damage he did to me...
I also told the judge about my breakdown in 1970 re: the stress of his stalking me b/c I moved out , ran away when I was old enough and he did not want to let me go
I prayerfully asked this judge to help me progress in my recovery by allowing me to have a CLEAN last name , a name that did not trigger me...make me sick....make me constantly think of the past....I told he judge I wanted to work through all this and come to a place where I could focus on me and loving me and my recovery and making a clean nice life for me
He sat there and looked like he wanted to hug me ...I saw anger in his face...I saw compassion for me in his face....I saw a bunch of emotions......He grabbed the papers up and got to the last page and he signed his name on the papers......He told me that he was the replacement judge and that he was GLAD to be able to be of help to ME....
He also said he was going to go home and say a special prayer for me to recover and find the beauty within me and to be able to , with the name change now, and the recovery, to be able to cleanse myself of the evil that was visited on me......He praised me for my bravery coming to court to do this.....He said I looked to be a "little fighter" to have survived such a horrendous ordeal....and that he was proud of me....
He then said "God bless you, young lady and I am glad to have been able to help you on your road to recovery"
I thanked him and said "your honour...I already feel cleaner..."
I walked out in the weather and the rain and greyness had stopped....In its place was a nice friendly sun, blue clouds and a nice clean smell to the wind and the weather.....It was a good day.....My lawyer hugged me in his arms and said he was so proud of the dignity I showed when I handled ??? #5.....he said he was proud to know me and that He Too, wold pray for my continued recovering myself......we walked to our cars....son shining on my head....the rain cleaned air smelling so new and fresh......Just like my papers showing my name change and my NEW name......a nice day to start my new life.....
I got to work and there was a bouquet of 13 yellow roses.....they wre from my boss...with my FULL NEW name on the card......She told me to take the rest of the day off and celebrate my NEW and CLEAN name.....she even put some $$ in the card to make sure I had the money to take me out to eat......I stared at her red card with all the sweet flowers on it and I read and re-read my new , clean name...a name I just picked from another recovery friend...a short, french name, easy to spell,...easy to write.......but most of all CLEAN.....
yes...that September day was a new day for me.....going on 9 years ago it was......NINE years...it has become habit now......The people who condemn me for this action to clean up my act...clean up my name....they can take thier hate for me and check it at the door.....I had the right to do what I gotta do for my recovery
yea, its been 9 years, and yea, I still struggle with resentment when I am sick w/my ptsd or knocked down w/my anxiety and need to rest...miss out on doing stuff b/c I am having a "bad day" ....having to shut down and rest b/c I cannot handle experience overload pisses me off and its a reminder, but I work my program and remind me I am a lot further than where I used to be...and that I shall keep progressing as I work my program......No I will never forget....forgive him.....acknowledge his name, and there are NO items in my house that he touched......I refuse to tell stories about him to my girls.....I refuse to entertain conversation about him when I am not in recovery.....when people ask about my parents, I just say they are dead and want no further discussion of them.....they are GONE and I am NOT gone...I want to focus on me and what I can do for me
some stuff is not forgivable....however I no longer try to forgive him....I am forgiving ME....for being there.......my former sister said "oh you were too needy as a child and that is why he attacked you".......needy???? what abandoned and abused child is not needy for love????
All I ever wanted in life...ALL.....was to be LOVED....wanted for me.....cherished and protected like the sweet little girl I was......thats all....4get expensive gifts....just hug me and value me and love me...
Now I do those things for myself...and the few close people in my life do.....but mostly I give those things i hungered for to me.....
the best I can do is "erase" him and yea, it happend...I can't change that....can't give me back those lost years, but I CAN give me today and tomorrow if I live to see tomorrow......I can give me the respect i was deprived of....i used to hate my body.....i just hated ME....but now I do not.....now i see me as just a kid that got in evil's way......just a kid who was easy prey for a predator.....a defenseless, helpless chlld who was easy prey......it was NOT my fault or my sin or my defect......do I blame a puppy for his owner beating him near to death???? of course not....that helpless creature just had the atrocious bad luck of having a bad owner
my revenge????? fight against child abuse....Report it when I see it....GET INVOLVED.....call the cops....testify if I need to.l........I cruisade for animals too....I fight animal abuse b/c animals are helpless, defenseless creatures too and I absolutely adore them.......I get involved....I watch over the children in the neighborhood to make sure they are safe...I play with them....I tell them my native american stories.....I make them feel safe....
I take this evil visited upon me and I share it w/others in recovery to show them that I understand their pain and that they are not alone.....I help other broken hearts want to not only survive and live, but to live good....to love themselves b/c we are all lovable.....we are NEVER to blame for someone abusing us when we were kids.... a child is never ever to blame or responsible for the evil actions of an adult......
my revenge is to live good for me and fight against this in anyway I can......i take my anger and pain and channel it to helping not only children, animals, but also adults who had similiar abusive homes who are broken and hurt and wanting to find a way out into the sunshine....
OK...enough rambling on someone elses thread......
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I can relate a lot to what you are saying about a father who went out of his way to put you in harms way. Certainly I believe my own father reenacted a lot of his own childhood issues around me.
I certainly have had people call me all kinds of names. In fact I am pretty much used to it. When you stop people pleasing, people are not pleased. When you really set boundaries most people do not go into applause. They generally want to get their way.
My biological family were not a source of loving kindness for me. I had to find that kind of help, direction and healing elsewhere. That caused me great grief.
I think so much of "grieving the family that you never had" is about really coming to terms with great losses. My entire family is very very manipulative, my elder sister is a master at it. I could be ensnared in her acting out in a second. When I meet people now who go out on the manipulation stratosphere I smile because they have no idea that I have already slain that dragon. I can see manipulation very very clearly. When you don't kowtow a manipulator they are indeed very very angry. They do not appreciate it one bit. After all they have been practicing that particular tool for a long long time.
Much of what I have found to heal me took a long long time. None of it came overnight. The family of origin work is really very very difficult but I know people who have come through that grief, rage and pain and got to a point of acceptance. Wanting to be at acceptance isn't the way to get there I think its being willing. I railed against acceptance personally how could I "accept" the kind of stuff that I felt destroyed me. Yet I got to the point recently where I realized the kind of life I bargained for isn't there. I have to go to a new way of living and that isn't something I would be able to accept before under any circumstances. Now I can. I didn't get to acceptance by beating myself into submission.
Having a father who put you in the way of harm is an enormous burden. I think that coming to terms with people who were supposed to take care of you in fact harmed you is a very very profound realization. I can tell you that most of my biological family is totally unwilling to look at any kind of dysfunction let alone abuse. Few people have the courage to tell the truth about how they grew up when they have a background like yours. You have a great deal of courage and strength.
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See that Alanon is exactly where I need to be right now.
One thing I thought I'd mention, when people start doing that to me I'm going to simply ask them what they're doing xxxxx night and if they want to come to the meeting.